8/25 Dodgers @ SOX 7:10PM ET

[d-money]

Since 2013 all the Dodgers have done is win. They continue to win yet they only have one World Series to show for it.

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

A talented baseball team, like the Dodgers, will make their manager look like a genius. Kind of like how the 2018 SOX made Cora look like a genius.

[notin]

It's not on the players?

 

-turd hats!

 

Errors - that’s on the players.

 

But baserunning - the Sox do have two coaches on the field supplying help. Granted there isn’t one at second base for Wong Turn, but he should know by not to look to the third base coach and runner and see what McGuire is being told to do…

[notin]

Would you go with Bernardino or Pivetta vs Muncy? That’s the point.

 

My choice is a pretty easy one.

 

It was a 1-run game, two outs and men on second and third btw

 

If Pivetta was being Good Pivetta, I let him get Muncy. But as he wasn’t, I think Bernardino makes sense given Muncy’s .615 OPS vs LHP.

 

Of course, what we fans almost never consider is thst Chris Taylor (.807 vs LHP) hasn’t played yet and very likely comes in to face Bernardino…

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

A talented baseball team, like the Dodgers, will make their manager look like a genius. Kind of like how the 2018 SOX made Cora look like a genius.

 

I don't know if Dave Roberts is a genius, but I do know that w/o him being available to pinch run for Kevin Millar, the SOX probably lose to the Yankems in game 4 and, of course, no 2004 championship. I'll always admire Dave Roberts.

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

If Pivetta was being Good Pivetta, I let him get Muncy. But as he wasn’t, I think Bernardino makes sense given Muncy’s .615 OPS vs LHP.

 

Of course, what we fans almost never consider is thst Chris Taylor (.807 vs LHP) hasn’t played yet and very likely comes in to face Bernardino…

 

Notin screws up another argument with a well-thought out post.

[moonslav59]

You don't have to face three batters if you get the last out of an inning.

 

Indeed, but you all assume Bernardino gets the first guy out.

 

There is no way we ever know, but the Monday morning QBing runs rampant.

 

Sure, everyone can give their opinion- fine.

 

It's always Cora's fault or some coach not getting Wong to wake the F up.

[moonslav59]

Errors - that’s on the players.

 

But baserunning - the Sox do have two coaches on the field supplying help. Granted there isn’t one at second base for Wong Turn, but he should know by not to look to the third base coach and runner and see what McGuire is being told to do…

 

There is no way Wong's mistake can be pawned off on anyone else. Period.

 

Just my opinion. LOL.

[moonslav59]

If Pivetta was being Good Pivetta, I let him get Muncy. But as he wasn’t, I think Bernardino makes sense given Muncy’s .615 OPS vs LHP.

 

Of course, what we fans almost never consider is thst Chris Taylor (.807 vs LHP) hasn’t played yet and very likely comes in to face Bernardino…

 

Then, when that happens, the same guys cream at how dumb Cora was to not see that, and how Roberts would never be so dumb as to yank Pivetta.

[moonslav59]

I don't know if Dave Roberts is a genius, but I do know that w/o him being available to pinch run for Kevin Millar, the SOX probably lose to the Yankems in game 4 and, of course, no 2004 championship. I'll always admire Dave Roberts.

 

It wasn't Roberts. We had great coaches that told him not to get thrown out.

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

Indeed, but you all assume Bernardino gets the first guy out.

 

There is no way we ever know, but the Monday morning QBing runs rampant.

 

Sure, everyone can give their opinion- fine.

 

It's always Cora's fault or some coach not getting Wong to wake the F up.

 

It is possible the SOX have too many players who are just uncoachable.

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

It wasn't Roberts. We had great coaches that told him not to get thrown out.

 

 

Roberts was smart enough to be coachable.

[moonslav59]

TEX, TOR & HOU all lost.

 

Golden opportunity smashed to hell.

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

TEX, TOR & HOU all lost.

 

Golden opportunity smashed to hell.

 

It could be worse, MOON. They all could have won.

[moonslav59]

It is possible the SOX have too many players who are just uncoachable.

 

The next metric created needs to be "The Bonehead Metric."

 

Who leads the Sox, this year? Give me the top 3.

[dgalehouse]

Indeed, but you all assume Bernardino gets the first guy out.

 

There is no way we ever know, but the Monday morning QBing runs rampant.

 

Sure, everyone can give their opinion- fine.

 

It's always Cora's fault or some coach not getting Wong to wake the F up.

 

We can never be sure what will happen in any at-bat. I think the point was that Bernardino was more likely to get Muncy than was Pivetta. Personally, I don't think Roberts would have pinch hit for Max, but we will never know that either.

[moonslav59]

We can never be sure what will happen in any at-bat. I think the point was that Bernardino was more likely to get Muncy than was Pivetta. Personally, I don't think Roberts would have pinch hit for Max, but we will never know that either.

 

People sure sound sure when they pounce.

[Maxbialystock]

Would you go with Bernardino or Pivetta vs Muncy? That’s the point.

 

My choice is a pretty easy one.

 

It was a 1-run game, two outs and men on second and third btw

 

I wouldn't have brought Pivetta out for the 7th inning at all because he was so terrible in the 6th. But I also don't like Bernardino, especially not coming in with men on 2d and 3d. To your point, however, Muncy hits righties a whole lot better than lefties, so Bernardino would have a better chance getting him out.

 

All that said, I think your take on the game is excessive. The Dodgers made the two errors and the Sox made none. And I believe very strongly that Cora was right to pull Crawford with 2 on and no one out in the 6th. While I'm willing to grant you Bernardino was a better choice to face Muncy in the 7th, the real issue is that Pivetta stunk tonight and so did Schreiber--and Bernardino was lucky to emerge from 8th unscathed.

 

The two big factors in this game were:

 

1) the Dodgers pitching was effective when it needed to be because the Sox had 14 hits plus 2 Dodger errors helping them and only scored 4 stinking runs because they were 1 for 8 with RISP; 2) the Sox bullpen also stunk, giving up 4 runs in 4 innings.

[iortiz]

If Pivetta was being Good Pivetta, I let him get Muncy. But as he wasn’t, I think Bernardino makes sense given Muncy’s .615 OPS vs LHP.

 

Of course, what we fans almost never consider is thst Chris Taylor (.807 vs LHP) hasn’t played yet and very likely comes in to face Bernardino…

 

Still, you have to make the move, not only because the lefty bs lefty thing, but because Pivetta didn’t have it tonight.

 

It’s by the book.

[iortiz]

We can never be sure what will happen in any at-bat. I think the point was that Bernardino was more likely to get Muncy than was Pivetta. Personally, I don't think Roberts would have pinch hit for Max, but we will never know that either.

 

That’s exactly the point. Not the rule thing nor trying to be Nostradamus. You must go with Bernardino in that situation.

[dgalehouse]

That’s exactly the point. Not the rule thing nor trying to be Nostradamus. You must go with Bernardino in that situation.

 

I agree. Bringing in Bernardino would have been the correct move.

[iortiz]

I wouldn't have brought Pivetta out for the 7th inning at all because he was so terrible in the 6th. But I also don't like Bernardino, especially not coming in with men on 2d and 3d. To your point, however, Muncy hits righties a whole lot better than lefties, so Bernardino would have a better chance getting him out.

 

All that said, I think your take on the game is excessive. The Dodgers made the two errors and the Sox made none. And I believe very strongly that Cora was right to pull Crawford with 2 on and no one out in the 6th. While I'm willing to grant you Bernardino was a better choice to face Muncy in the 7th, the real issue is that Pivetta stunk tonight and so did Schreiber--and Bernardino was lucky to emerge from 8th unscathed.

 

The two big factors in this game were:

 

1) the Dodgers pitching was effective when it needed to be because the Sox had 14 hits plus 2 Dodger errors helping them and only scored 4 stinking runs because they were 1 for 8 with RISP; 2) the Sox bullpen also stunk, giving up 4 runs in 4 innings.

 

It was the point. It’s common sense. Then, anything can happen, I get it but have to give your team a better chance to win. Cora didn’t and the rest a history.

 

Again this is only a sample of a sum of an endless of bad decisions made by Cora plus the poor fundamentals and horrible defense this team has shown this season. If Cora don’t get a big chunk of accountability of the latter, then we don’t see baseball the same way.

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

The next metric created needs to be "The Bonehead Metric."

 

Who leads the Sox, this year? Give me the top 3.

 

I was half-kidding about uncoachable. The players who make the fewest mental errors during the game have already calculated what they're gonna do before anything happens. Wong should have been aware that the runner ahead of him is one of the slowest runners on the team, if not the slowest. Obviously, that fact never entered his mind and the mental fart running the bases happened.

Edited August 26, 2023 by SPLENDIDSPLINTER

[moonslav59]

It was the point. It’s common sense. Then, anything can happen, I get it but have to give your team a better chance to win. Cora didn’t and the rest a history.

 

Again this is only a sample of a sum of an endless of bad decisions made by Cora plus the poor fundamentals and horrible defense this team has shown this season. If Cora don’t get a big chunk of accountability of the latter, then we don’t see baseball the same way.

 

The way you guys talked about how much the Sox were going to suck, this year, and all during the year, you'd think the manager must be a triple genius to get a s***** team like this to be 7 games over .500, but I guess we don't see baseball the same way.

 

This is the worst defensive team in MLB history.

One of the worst baserunning teams ever.

The offense sucks, according to you guys.

Bloom sucks at building a rotation, and 4 of our original SP'ers either got demoted or have an ERA over 5.00 (or both): Kluber, Houck, Whitlock & Pivetta. Another, Sale, is at 4.68.

Cora mismanages the pen "endless times," and yet somehow we are 68-61.

 

Sounds like our manager sucks, right?

 

LMAO!

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

I agree. Bringing in Bernardino would have been the correct move.

 

To echo Notin's post earlier, Roberts would have countered with a RH Chris Taylor.

[moonslav59]

I was half-kidding about uncoachable. The players who make the fewest mental errors during the game have already calculated what they're gonna do before anything happens. Wong should have been aware that the runner ahead of him is one of the slowest runners on the team, if not the slowest. Obviously, that fact never entered his mind and the mental fart running the bases happened.

 

That was what I was getting at. No coach, manager or whatever can "coach" a guy to not do that.

 

Do you run drills for that specific play?

 

Do you sit down with players and go over it 1,000 times, saying, "make sure you don't have mental farts?"

 

It seems like some posters think it's this simple. Like all a coach had to do was tell the players to not make mistakes and they won't. Like they should have practiced fundamentals instead of hitting in the batting cages, more often.

 

I'm not joking. I literally burst out laughing sometimes, and my wife asks me what I'm laughing at.

 

My favorite is when someone says, "They need to tell ____ to be more patient and not strike out so much." Man, that is some brilliant stuff these guys come up with. If only Cora would try it!

[moonslav59]

To echo Notin's post earlier, Roberts would have countered with a RH Chris Taylor.

 

Maybe- maybe not, but the point is, there are so many permutations, than nobody should ever talk with so much certainty about any choice made by any manager.

 

I swear to God, had Cora brought in Bernardino and Taylor hit a PH homer, we'd be hearing the same posters calling it one more Cora blunder.

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

That was what I was getting at. No coach, manager or whatever can "coach" a guy to not do that.

 

Do you run drills for that specific play?

 

Do you sit down with players and go over it 1,000 times, saying, "make sure you don't have mental farts?"

 

It seems like some posters think it's this simple. Like all a coach had to do was tell the players to not make mistakes and they won't. Like they should have practiced fundamentals instead of hitting in the batting cages, more often.

 

I'm not joking. I literally burst out laughing sometimes, and my wife asks me what I'm laughing at.

 

My favorite is when someone says, "They need to tell ____ to be more patient and not strike out so much." Man, that is some brilliant stuff these guys come up with. If only Cora would try it!

 

The truth of the matter isn't coachable or uncoachable; it's the fact that some players have more baseball smarts than others. I don't know if that can be taught.

That's true in all sports and even in non-sports related jobs.

[iortiz]

The way you guys talked about how much the Sox were going to suck, this year, and all during the year, you'd think the manager must be a triple genius to get a s***** team like this to be 7 games over .500, but I guess we don't see baseball the same way.

 

This is the worst defensive team in MLB history.

One of the worst baserunning teams ever.

The offense sucks, according to you guys.

Bloom sucks at building a rotation, and 4 of our original SP'ers either got demoted or have an ERA over 5.00 (or both): Kluber, Houck, Whitlock & Pivetta. Another, Sale, is at 4.68.

Cora mismanages the pen "endless times," and yet somehow we are 68-61.

 

Sounds like our manager sucks, right?

 

LMAO!

Do you honestly think this team is well coached and trained, beyond how it was built?

[iortiz]

It’s a yes or no answer. You don’t need to do an assessment.