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Whatever else he does, Cora does have the job of waking up these sleepwalkers before the Seattle series .
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Bosox11's comment about the Red Sox team being "absolutely listless" tonight comes very close to describing the mid to late innings efforts . Part of that is blowing 2 losses then watching your BP give up 5 runs in another losing effort.

 

Blame Winck and Jansen for the first two losses, but don't forget that both have been effective this season. Today you can blame Kluber (4 runs) and Bernardino (2 runs) and the lineup (1 run). Brasier was just sent out to eat innings.

 

I didn't see listless today, just an inability to score runs. Kluber was, well, Kluber, just a tad worse than his last 3 starts and not a total disaster. The Cardinals simply had better pitching today.

 

On defense I saw both Yoshida and Dugo make real efforts to catch hits. Yoshida came very close to getting injured, but slid just in time. I thought the throwing error by Casas was egregious but understandable. He forgot to throw to the bag with the pitcher running to first ahead of the runner. It did not cost a run.

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Final, 9-1, Cardinals, is a perfect example of a game that was never winnable. It was therefore the perfect game for Casas to make an error, Sox to get just 5 measly hits, Kluber to be so-so (but not a disaster), and the bullpen to cough up 5 runs.

 

It should be, it must be an easy game to forget.

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Meh. I'm perfectly happy blaming Cora for yesterday, but tonight, with Kluber giving up 4, the lineup scoring just 1 run in 5 innings, and Bernardino loading the bases in the 6th, the smart move is not to waste a good arm on a lost cause. That's exactly why Brasier pitched the 9th in Friday night's game. Jansen had already given the game away.

 

It was only 4-1 and there were 2 outs when he brought in the Arsonist (and it could have been 4-2 if Cora knew how to throw a challenge). If you’re saying Cora threw up a white flag at that point, you’re making a solid argument for his firing…

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He could do both—eat innings and ensure his departure.

 

Yes, a white flag. And why not? No hitting, weak pitching, and down 4-1.

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He could do both—eat innings and ensure his departure.

 

Yes, a white flag. And why not? No hitting, weak pitching, and down 4-1.

 

I did say 4-1, right? Not 14-1.

 

4-1 in the 5th inning is not an insurmountable deficit. If Cora challenges Devers’ play at second, Casas’ single brings the tying run to the plate…

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I did say 4-1, right? Not 14-1.

 

4-1 in the 5th inning is not an insurmountable deficit. If Cora challenges Devers’ play at second, Casas’ single brings the tying run to the plate…

 

The final score was 9-1, not 4-1. And Brasier gave up 3 of the 9 runs. I watched the game and was very impressed with the Cardinals pitching, especially the bullpen.

 

If Cora challenges the play at 2b, which I wanted him to do, there is no guarantee the call will be changed because the throw was way ahead of Devers. The espn commentators said it was possible the glove touched Devers outstretched arm.

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The final score was 9-1, not 4-1. And Brasier gave up 3 of the 9 runs. I watched the game and was very impressed with the Cardinals pitching, especially the bullpen.

 

If Cora challenges the play at 2b, which I wanted him to do, there is no guarantee the call will be changed because the throw was way ahead of Devers. The espn commentators said it was possible the glove touched Devers outstretched arm.

 

 

It was 4-1 when Brasier came in. Granted, bases loaded. But also two outs.

 

Brasier had also pitched more recently than fellow right-ganders Martin, Schreiber, and Winckowski. It was the SIXTH INNING. Why use the largely ineffective white flag pitcher? Sure the Sox only had one run, but as it was the top of the inning, they still had 4 innings to make up that deficit.

 

A manager shouldn’t give up in the 6th inning of a three run game…

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It was 4-1 when Brasier came in. Granted, bases loaded. But also two outs.

 

Brasier had also pitched more recently than fellow right-ganders Martin, Schreiber, and Winckowski. It was the SIXTH INNING. Why use the largely ineffective white flag pitcher? Sure the Sox only had one run, but as it was the top of the inning, they still had 4 innings to make up that deficit.

 

A manager shouldn’t give up in the 6th inning of a three run game…

 

Brasier relieved in 6 games in April with an ERA of 5.14. He gave up 0 runs in 4 appearances, 1 run in an 11-5 win, and 3 runs yesterday in a 9-1 loss. Friday vs the Cardinals he pitched 1 inning and gave up 0 runs.

 

In April he pitched in 13 games and gave up 0 runs in 9 of them. In the 4 games in which he gave up runs, only one was close--the loss on April 29 to Cleveland, 8-7 in 10 innings. In the other three games in which Brasier gave up runs in April, the scores were 11-5 (Sox won), 10-4 (Sox lost), and 14-5 (Sox won). If Brasier were to apply for a job in medicine and claim he lives by the hippocratic oath--first do no harm--he just might get hired.

 

I'm fine with DFA'ing Brasier, but his appearances have not been nearly as disastrous as everyone claims. That said, for the most part Cora has been careful not to use Brasier in close games. It will, however, shock you as it shocks me to discover that Brasier has one save this season.

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Brasier relieved in 6 games in April with an ERA of 5.14. He gave up 0 runs in 4 appearances, 1 run in an 11-5 win, and 3 runs yesterday in a 9-1 loss. Friday vs the Cardinals he pitched 1 inning and gave up 0 runs.

 

In April he pitched in 13 games and gave up 0 runs in 9 of them. In the 4 games in which he gave up runs, only one was close--the loss on April 29 to Cleveland, 8-7 in 10 innings. In the other three games in which Brasier gave up runs in April, the scores were 11-5 (Sox won), 10-4 (Sox lost), and 14-5 (Sox won). If Brasier were to apply for a job in medicine and claim he lives by the hippocratic oath--first do no harm--he just might get hired.

 

I'm fine with DFA'ing Brasier, but his appearances have not been nearly as disastrous as everyone claims. That said, for the most part Cora has been careful not to use Brasier in close games. It will, however, shock you as it shocks me to discover that Brasier has one save this season.

 

None of which answers why he pitches back to back games while Martin and Schreiber watch. Granted both could be injured, sore, or have an upset tummy, and then it makes sense. But are any of those the case?

 

Also most of Brasier’s outings have been low leverage and mop up work. Why not Winckowski, who’s been pitching meaningful innings.

 

And the premise that a 4-1 game in the 6th inning is a lost cause just isn’t true…

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