Yankees 2023 Season Thread

[Bellhorn04]

This year or next?

 

This.

[moonslav59]

This.

 

I'm not sure I'd use the word "excellent," as the Yanks are sucking, too.

[Bellhorn04]

I'm not sure I'd use the word "excellent," as the Yanks are sucking, too.

 

Yes, and they've picked up 4 games on us over the last 5. That's how bad we are now. Our pitching staff is in shreds, moon.

[bkzwhitestrican]

Red means counted on to be solid plus.

 

How can you view Rizzo as being average compared to all 1Bmen?

 

Some pen guys could be red. You mention the chances of a vet or young guy stepping up to red, but the same chance exists that a red guy gets hurt or declined below red. IMO, you might have 4 red guys in your line up, yet you say you think you only need to add just two bats.

 

Please explain.

 

Before the game where he got concussed by Tatis he was hitting .303/.376/.507 with 11 HRs and 31 RBIs over 52 games. After that game he hit .176 with only one HR until hitting the IL in early August. I don't think he's a .300 hitter anymore even without the concussion, but I don't think it's a stretch to say he's average or above average when his brain isn't damaged.

[Dipre]

That Rizzo played that long while concussed is not a good look for the Yankees org.

[moonslav59]

Yes, and they've picked up 4 games on us over the last 5. That's how bad we are now. Our pitching staff is in shreds, moon.

 

Indeed, and they have 9 games left vs DET, KCR and PIT.

[moonslav59]

Before the game where he got concussed by Tatis he was hitting .303/.376/.507 with 11 HRs and 31 RBIs over 52 games. After that game he hit .176 with only one HR until hitting the IL in early August. I don't think he's a .300 hitter anymore even without the concussion, but I don't think it's a stretch to say he's average or above average when his brain isn't damaged.

 

He will be another year older in 2024 and started declining pretty quickly after 2019.

 

It may not be a "stretch" to think he can be average in 2024, but I think the odds are against it. The 15th ranked 1Bman in MLB, now is at about .770-.780. Here are Rizzo's OPS numbers since 2020:

.755

.783

.817

.706

 

He'll turn 35, next season. Why would .770-.780 be expected?

 

No, it's not a stretch to think it could happen, but my list was supposed to be about how many slots can be viewed as solid for 2024? Solid average is not even asking for much.

 

I see 4, maybe 5 if the starting 9.

3 maybe 4 SP'ers

an unknown amount of RP'ers, when 2-3 years ago, you guys had 4-5 in the pen viewed as AVG or AVG+. Let's say you have 2.

 

That's about 11 slots out of 26. You guys may be planning to spend big, this coming winter, but you are more than 3-4 slots away from being top contenders, again.

[bkzwhitestrican]

Agreed on needing to fill multiple positions. Was only talking about Rizzo though. I think he can OPS .770+ because he surpassed it last year, and also this year until he got concussed. The reduction of shifts has helped him, and he also still plays good defense (when playing healthy).

[moonslav59]

Agreed on needing to fill multiple positions. Was only talking about Rizzo though. I think he can OPS .770+ because he surpassed it last year, and also this year until he got concussed. The reduction of shifts has helped him, and he also still plays good defense (when playing healthy).

 

It's not unreasonable to project that, but at his age, I don't think it's a solid bet he reaches .770-.780. Sure, he can, but is it a solid enough bet to count on?

 

I do think the Yanks bet he can and do not upgrade at 1B, and I doubt they try and upgrade at catching, either. They will bank on bounce backs from Trivino and Higgy.

 

They will slot LeMahieu somewhere as a FT'er, too. That could easily be two choices that end up below average. They will probably go with Stanton at DH, again, so that's 3 out of 9. They will add a CF'er and maybe LF'er, and try to get a SP'er and 2-3 solid pen arms. Is that going to be enough?

[moonslav59]

Last spring, there is no way any Yankee fan would say the Sox had a better foundation or players you can count on to be average or above average at their positions. Now, I'm not so sure they'd feel the same way, now.

 

Wong/McGuire v Trivino/Higgy

 

Casas v Rizzo/Bauers

 

Urias/Reyes v Torres

 

Story v Volpe

 

Devers vs LeMahieu/Peraza

 

Duran/Refsnyder v Pereira/I F-k

 

Rafaela/Abreu v McKinney

 

Dugo v Judge

 

Yoshida v Stanton

 

The pitching shows the Yanks in a better light, but there are a lot of questions for both teams.

 

Bello, Sale, Pivetta, Houck, Crawford

vs

Cole, Rodon, Cortes, Schmidt, German, Brito

 

Jansen, Martin, Winckowski, Schreiber, Whitlock, Bernardino/Joely

vs

Homes, Kahnle, King, Peralta, Abreu and otehrs

 

 

 

 

 

[dgalehouse]

The young Yankee call ups have injected some life into a team that previously looked like they were just going through the motions. They probably are wishing they had done it sooner.

[jacksonianmarch]

Interesting how you included callups for the sox and not the Yanks, lol. Yanks will improve and will spend this offseason, I guarantee you this. Red Sox, who knows?

[jacksonianmarch]

You can also find a good hitting 1b pretty cheaply in season. They have his ready made replacement in Wells behind him anyway.

[moonslav59]

Interesting how you included callups for the sox and not the Yanks, lol. Yanks will improve and will spend this offseason, I guarantee you this. Red Sox, who knows?

 

Some of your call-ups just happened during printing press time.

 

Sorry, if I missed any before hand.

[jacksonianmarch]

Some of your call-ups just happened during printing press time.

 

Sorry, if I missed any before hand.

 

The Yanks have the better prospects with the closest proximity. They won't all hit, but some will. Or they parlay those guys into someone of value. Who knows. But Wells, Pereira, Peraza, Volpe and Dominguez have been top 10 on their prospect list for awhile. Add them to Judge, Torres and Rizzo and one or two middle of the order bats on the trade or FA market and we should be able to return to some semblance of usefulness

[moonslav59]

The Yanks have the better prospects with the closest proximity. They won't all hit, but some will. Or they parlay those guys into someone of value. Who knows. But Wells, Pereira, Peraza, Volpe and Dominguez have been top 10 on their prospect list for awhile. Add them to Judge, Torres and Rizzo and one or two middle of the order bats on the trade or FA market and we should be able to return to some semblance of usefulness

 

I'll believe it when I see it.

 

We keep hearing how great these Yankee farm guys are, but I'm not seeing it-- yet.

[jacksonianmarch]

Dominguez doesn't look too bad right now

[moonslav59]

Dominguez doesn't look too bad right now

 

Would you say he is close to being a lock at being solid in 2024?

[jacksonianmarch]

Would you say he is close to being a lock at being solid in 2024?

 

No, there’s no 20 year old that’s a lock for anything

[moonslav59]

No, there’s no 20 year old that’s a lock for anything

 

So, how many Yankees are NEAR locks at being near SOLID in 2024?

[jacksonianmarch]

FYI, Hal just threw down the gauntlet about trades and publicly chastised Cashman's moves. I think this is a clean sweep here

[moonslav59]

FYI, Hal just threw down the gauntlet about trades and publicly chastised Cashman's moves. I think this is a clean sweep here

 

Damn!

 

I was hoping 5 more years of Cash & Boone.

[jacksonianmarch]

Dominguez is really showing he belongs. 20 yr old switch hitting CFer who is crushing balls out of Yankee stadium. Maybe he's the next Mantle? Or maybe he becomes a flash in the pan

[bkzwhitestrican]

Dominguez is really showing he belongs. 20 yr old switch hitting CFer who is crushing balls out of Yankee stadium. Maybe he's the next Mantle? Or maybe he becomes a flash in the pan

 

Jesus Montero also looked this good to start his career. I've learned to wait until they play their first full season before declaring someone a star. But definitely a promising start for him.

[jacksonianmarch]

Jesus Montero also looked this good to start his career. I've learned to wait until they play their first full season before declaring someone a star. But definitely a promising start for him.

 

 

Montero's issue wasn't talent, it was drive. This kid is clearly driven. I think the future looks good with him and Volpe joining Judge and Torres. But we cannot rely on these kids right now. Gotta add this offseason. We need at least one left handed bat

[jacksonianmarch]

Another dinger from the Martian

[jacksonianmarch]

And as if this year isn’t enough of a kick in the pants, the Martian tore his UCL

[moonslav59]

And as if this year isn’t enough of a kick in the pants, the Martian tore his UCL

 

You guys are jinxed.

[jacksonianmarch]

You guys are jinxed.

 

It’s a wee bit insane right? 20 yr old outfielder woke up with a sore arm. Needs reconstructive elbow surgery. Wtf?

[moonslav59]

It’s a wee bit insane right? 20 yr old outfielder woke up with a sore arm. Needs reconstructive elbow surgery. Wtf?

 

It sure does look like you guys need to do something to appease the God of Health.