Yankees 2021-2022 Offseason Thread

[moonslav59]

Yanks plan to contend. Voit is a very valuable player....when he takes the field. Yanks cannot take the chance his knee barks on him again while fighting through what will be the toughest division in baseball. That is why they signed Rizzo. Rizzo offers durability, defense, good ABs and a lefty bat. Voit's ceiling is higher but his floor is that he doesnt play.

 

Voit offers the A's a chance to have another Matt Olson type haul. If Voit stays healthy for all 162, I have no doubt he smacks 40HR and likely pieces together a decent average. If he does so, he will be tremendously valuable at the deadline or this offseason to deal again. The A's like this method of trading. They always grab a high level prospect, a far away prospect and either a MLB rookie or arb guy who is down on their luck.

 

Look at the Olson deal. Pache's value took a hit last year with a middling performance in AAA and a dreadful cup of coffee at the big league level. Langeliers is probably the most valuable prospect changing hands as a D first power hitting catcher who will be big league ready. Estes is a young pitcher with big K rates who is a ways away. Cusick was the first rounder from 2021, so far away.

 

That is also a deal for a hitter in Oakland who has been nails for four years. Different when you are dealing with an arm from Oakland who has only 2 good seasons under his belt. While Voit and Peraza wouldn't be the only pieces, I could see a few deeper prospects moving as well. But it would fit with the A's MO

 

I could see that deal for Manaea, Pache and Trivino (accepted by BTV) but they will get better for Montas.

 

Maybe Peraza, Garcia & Voit for Montas & Piscotty would be accepted by the A's. It was by BTV,

[Meh]

I could see that deal for Manaea, Pache and Trivino (accepted by BTV) but they will get better for Montas.

 

Maybe Peraza, Garcia & Voit for Montas & Piscotty would be accepted by the A's. It was by BTV,

 

i doubt these GMs are running their trades though these online sims. If so I don't think they would have taken that chapman deal.

[moonslav59]

i doubt these GMs are running their trades though these online sims. If so I don't think they would have taken that chapman deal.

 

Almost every trade made, so far would have been accepted on BTV, and the Chapman trade was not a gross underpay.

 

It is far from perfect, but if the Yanks took a declining Rizzo to play 1B, they must not value Voit that highly.

 

I think they'd rather have Casas or Dalbec.

[moonslav59]

Yanks to open talks with Judge for extension, soon.

[bkzwhitestrican]

Almost every trade made, so far would have been accepted on BTV, and the Chapman trade was not a gross underpay.

 

It is far from perfect, but if the Yanks took a declining Rizzo to play 1B, they must not value Voit that highly.

 

I think they'd rather have Casas or Dalbec.

 

Casas yes.

 

Dalbec LOL

[jacksonianmarch]

Dalbec needs to prove he’s more than just a couple month hot streak. He was abysmal first half of 21 before being an absolute unit second half. We shall see what he does this year before really cementing in his stake on the 1b slot in Boston.

[moonslav59]

Casas yes.

 

Dalbec LOL

 

I would not even consider trading Dalbec for Voit. I'd be lmao!

 

Sure, he's an unknown, but he has more years of control and could still improve, especially his OBP & D.

[moonslav59]

Dalbec needs to prove he’s more than just a couple month hot streak. He was abysmal first half of 21 before being an absolute unit second half. We shall see what he does this year before really cementing in his stake on the 1b slot in Boston.

 

Where did I say he's a lock to be a FT 1Bman.

 

I'm comparing him to a guy you've been roasting alive for years- Voit and looking at the context of who the A's would prefer and why BTV values Dalbec 3 times more than Voit.

[jacksonianmarch]

FYI, rumors out of NY are Yanks May be looking to move Gleyber

[moonslav59]

FYI, rumors out of NY are Yanks May be looking to move Gleyber

 

BTV has this trade as dead even:

 

Torres, King & Garcia

 

for

 

Duran

[jacksonianmarch]

BTV is a pile of s*** and you know it

[jacksonianmarch]

If Yanks put Gleyber in for Montas then they’ll get him. I just don’t see them doing it as it doesn’t fix the Voit issue. Voit’s got two positions, 1b and DH. Both are filled with superior players. Every other guy in this infield glut can play multiple defensive positions

[bkzwhitestrican]

Dalbec is young, that's what he has going for him. His 0.2 WAR from almost a full season doesn't inspire much confidence from me, though he could get better. He could also not get better. I've seen him look great occasionally and overmatched more than occasionally.

 

Despite the A's selling off they still always manage to compete (similar to the Rays) so a low cost, middle of the lineup player like Voit could interest them. Or if it's a true rebuild Dalbec would interest them more. It depends what they're trying to accomplish this season.

[moonslav59]

BTV is a pile of s*** and you know it

 

I know they have limitations, and I don't agree with all of their evaluations, but they do a pretty good job at something that is very difficult to do.

 

If you look at all the trades made, so far, many are very close to even or at minor or moderate overpay status.

 

So, now you think Voit is better than BTV says they are? Didn't you call him a bag of s*** a few times over the last 2 years?

[moonslav59]

Dalbec is young, that's what he has going for him. His 0.2 WAR from almost a full season doesn't inspire much confidence from me, though he could get better. He could also not get better. I've seen him look great occasionally and overmatched more than occasionally.

 

Despite the A's selling off they still always manage to compete (similar to the Rays) so a low cost, middle of the lineup player like Voit could interest them. Or if it's a true rebuild Dalbec would interest them more. It depends what they're trying to accomplish this season.

 

I am certainly skeptical about Dalbec's future production, but I am about Voit and Torres, too. It's all projections and speculations, and Dalbec has put up some pretty decent numbers in his first 156 games:

 

.243 33 94 (.308/.511/.819)

 

His OBP in the minors was .362, and it was .374 in college. There is hope he can improve on that while not losing the power he has already proven to have.

 

Unlike Voit, he has stayed healthy and looks to be in good shape.

 

Now, granted, Voit has had some amazing short stretches of awesome power, AND he gets on base (.357 career OBP). No doubt, if he is 100% healthy, he has the current edge over Dalbec and has twice the PAs of ML experience. It took him 5 years to double what Dalbec did in 156 games, so you can see why his value is low. Then, look at the ages for the following numbers and think years of team control...

 

162 game avg:

 

.267 34 94 Voit (.867 OPS) ages 26-30 (He just turned 31/ 3 yrs of team control)

 

.243 34 98 Dalbec (.819) ages 25-26 (About to turn 27/ 5 yrs of team contol)

[notin]

If Yanks put Gleyber in for Montas then they’ll get him. I just don’t see them doing it as it doesn’t fix the Voit issue. Voit’s got two positions, 1b and DH. Both are filled with superior players. Every other guy in this infield glut can play multiple defensive positions

 

So the Athletics would be all over trading away their arbitration eligible players to acquire another arbitration eligible player?

 

The A’s want no part of Torres. They’re cleaning house of as many players as possible that are in his exact same contract position…

[jacksonianmarch]

It would be Torres plus as I explained before.

 

In other news, German went on the 60 day IL with a shoulder issue. They reported he hasn’t been allowed to pick up a ball yet. I don’t think he had off-season surgery. Anything shoulder is concerning. Remove one guy from the 5 man

[notin]

It would be Torres plus as I explained before.

 

In other news, German went on the 60 day IL with a shoulder issue. They reported he hasn’t been allowed to pick up a ball yet. I don’t think he had off-season surgery. Anything shoulder is concerning. Remove one guy from the 5 man

 

 

The issue was the inclusion of Torres, not the absence of the plus.

 

The A’s have acquired 10 players via three trades and none of them are arbitration-eligible. They are not going to change this practice to help out the Yankee farm system.

 

They have actually been prone to mild ripoffs using the BTV calculator. But regardless any deal with NY will focus solely on prospects and not on Torres at all…

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

The issue was the inclusion of Torres, not the absence of the plus.

 

The A’s have acquired 10 players via three trades and none of them are arbitration-eligible. They are not going to change this practice to help out the Yankee farm system.

 

They have actually been prone to mild ripoffs using the BTV calculator. But regardless any deal with NY will focus solely on prospects and not on Torres at all…

 

...the Gospel of Billy Beane: thou shall not deter from the plan. Such sacred blueprints, known locally as the Shroud of Jarren Duran, have guided young disciples in small market front offices everywhere... (and even big markets acting like small markets).

[jacksonianmarch]

Moneyball isn’t about avoidance of arb players. It’s about seeing value where others don’t. If you can’t see value in 2-3 years of Torres as a 2b then you’re out of your mind.

[moonslav59]

Moneyball isn’t about avoidance of arb players. It’s about seeing value where others don’t. If you can’t see value in 2-3 years of Torres as a 2b then you’re out of your mind.

 

Well, if you are planning your rebuild around 2026, then that value will never be realized.

[notin]

Moneyball isn’t about avoidance of arb players. It’s about seeing value where others don’t. If you can’t see value in 2-3 years of Torres as a 2b then you’re out of your mind.

 

 

Oh you mean like the value you see in Torres no one else sees?

 

The A’s traded away two arb years of the more valuable Matt Chapman. They didn’t do that to squeeze the lesser Gleyber Torres on to the roster…

[jacksonianmarch]

Well, if you are planning your rebuild around 2026, then that value will never be realized.

 

Pump and flip. This is what rebuilding teams do all the time. The guy was the number 1 prospect in baseball and hit 60 bombs in his first two years, so it’s not like he’s some schmuck. Yanks moved around his position and as soon as they did, he stopped hitting. Remember when they moved Bogey off SS when he came up? Yanks moved him back for the final 6 weeks and he OPs’d over .800 after his move.

 

I’d rather he be in the Yankee lineup to be entirely honest. But his value is there and for a rebuilding team, he’s a good haul to bring in for 3 months, have him tear the cover off the ball and then get a kings ransom for at the deadline

[jacksonianmarch]

FYI, Voit is drawing interest from the Padres, a team starved for offense with Tatis down. Would absolutely love to get Campusano but we’d likely have to add to Voit to get him. We shall see

[moonslav59]

FYI, Voit is drawing interest from the Padres, a team starved for offense with Tatis down. Would absolutely love to get Campusano but we’d likely have to add to Voit to get him. We shall see

 

The Padres are the type of team that would want guys like Voit or Torres- not the A's/

[jacksonianmarch]

You know what wouldn’t surprise me?

 

A 3 way deal with Voit to SD, SD and NYY prospects to Oak and Montas to NYY

[bkzwhitestrican]

Voit traded for Padres RHP Justin Lange. Rated Padres' 8th best prospect by MLB Pipeline, 13th by Keith Law. Write up on Lange is that he has the best stuff in the system but lack of command, and that he is more likely to end up as a back-end bullpen piece rather than a starter. Padres also agreed to eat all of Voit's salary in the deal. Edited March 18, 2022 by bkzwhitestrican

[jacksonianmarch]

I agree to a point. I said in the lead up to this season that Voit’s knee concerned me. Meniscus surgery then having a “bone bruise” from running makes me worried he’s got an arthritic condition in there. They dumped him for what they could get. I had higher hopes for the return, but a guy with big stuff added to our reasonably good pitching system isn’t a bad thing

[moonslav59]

I agree to a point. I said in the lead up to this season that Voit’s knee concerned me. Meniscus surgery then having a “bone bruise” from running makes me worried he’s got an arthritic condition in there. They dumped him for what they could get. I had higher hopes for the return, but a guy with big stuff added to our reasonably good pitching system isn’t a bad thing

 

So, maybe the 3.1 value BTV gave Voit was a tad high.

 

Voit 3.1

 

Lange 1.7

 

[jacksonianmarch]

Who knows. I’ll tell you what, if the Yanks were convinced he was healthy, they wouldn’t dump him like they did