June 6: BOS (Richards) @ NYY (German)

[moonslav59]

As I said, they could be a mediocre-to-good team in coming years but they will never win a WS going like this.

 

We have won 4 WS since JH arrived. Our formula has worked better since then. We have pushed the right buttons when we needed even when it meant to change the entire FO. Adapt or die. We had to sacrifice several key pieces of the farm in the process in order to win rings. It has worked out. In the end that is ultimate goal. Winning rings.

 

TBR, Atlanta, OAK and other other "good" farms haven't won s*** in years either.

 

Actually, our farm has been better since then. It has been on the field where it matters —winning championships. Yankees haven't been in that position.

 

BTW funny how you constantly defend the Yankees LOL

 

I wasn't defending their formula and certainly wasn't saying theirs is better than ours, but they have been top contenders for several years and may still be one, this year.

 

I like our system way better, despite some last place finishes.

[iortiz]

I wasn't defending their formula and certainly wasn't saying theirs is better than ours, but they have been top contenders for several years and may still be one, this year.

 

I like our system way better, despite some last place finishes.

 

As I said, their formula won't get it done. If a team like NY doesn't win rings, no matter what the W/L say. It's not TBR baseball. They haven't won s*** in a decade. It's not a small sample.

 

This year if they make the POs will be rare. TB, TOR and BOS are better.

[moonslav59]

As I said, their formula won't get it done. If a team like NY doesn't win rings, no matter what the W/L say. It's not TBR baseball. They haven't won s*** in a decade. It's not a small sample.

 

This year if they make the POs will be rare. TB, TOR and BOS are better.

 

How many rings do TB & TOR have the last decade or two?

 

I'm not defending their formula, but they have been in a position to win it all as much or more so than the Rays or Jays in the last 10-20 years.

 

Spending money can win rings. Spending more increases your chances.

 

It's not a great strategy, but it's not impossible to "get it done" their way.

 

BTW, current odds at winning the WS:

 

 

17-2 NYY

15-1 TBR

22-1 BOS

25-1 TOR

 

(Not saying I agree with the oddsmakers, here, but still...)

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[moonslav59]

 

BTW funny how you constantly defend the Yankees LOL

 

I've been bashing the Yanks since before you were born.

 

I've been taking Jacko to the cleaners for years.

 

That doesn't mean I ignore the facts.

[iortiz]

How many rings do TB & TOR have the last decade or two?

 

I'm not defending their formula, but they have been in a position to win it all as much or more so than the Rays or Jays in the last 10-20 years.

 

Spending money can win rings. Spending more increases your chances.

 

It's not a great strategy, but it's not impossible to "get it done" their way.

 

BTW, current odds at winning the WS:

 

 

17-2 NYY

15-1 TBR

22-1 BOS

25-1 TOR

 

(Not saying I agree with the oddsmakers, here, but still...)

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How did the TBR and TOR get in the conversation? Lol

 

The NYY are not good at spending money in the last 10 years. This is a fact.

[iortiz]

I've been bashing the Yanks since before you were born.

 

I've been taking Jacko to the cleaners for years.

 

That doesn't mean I ignore the facts.

Well it doesn’t seem so bro.

[moonslav59]

Well it doesn’t seem so bro.

 

I've been saying they should have fired Boone and Cashman years ago.

 

I've been battling jacko, daily, for years. (Check out the Yankee thread that goes back months and months.)

 

I disagreed with your assessment on them not having any chance to win, despite spending over $200M every year, and for that, I'm a Yankee defender?

Edited June 7, 2021 by moonslav59

[moonslav59]

How did the TBR and TOR get in the conversation? Lol

 

The NYY are not good at spending money in the last 10 years. This is a fact.

 

Just some FYI.

 

I never said the Yanks spent their money well.

 

We haven't done all that great, either.

 

I do wish we had signed Cole not Price.

 

Does that make me a Yankee lover?

[Bellhorn04]

I do wish we had signed Cole not Price.

 

Does that make me a Yankee lover?

 

No, but their signings were 4 years apart.

[iortiz]

Just some FYI.

 

I never said the Yanks spent their money well.

 

We haven't done all that great, either.

 

I do wish we had signed Cole not Price.

 

Does that make me a Yankee lover?

Well we have won 4 rings —the best team in XXI C thus far. Hard to argue we haven’t spent money wisely. If we haven’t nobody has.

 

Regarding Price, he was a huge asset to win in 2018. I do not regret a bit, do you? Also Cole didn’t have Price’s pedigree at the time (2016). Apples and oranges bro.

[iortiz]

I've been saying they should have fired Boone and Cashman years ago.

 

I've been battling jacko, daily, for years. (Check out the Yankee thread that goes back months and months.)

 

I disagreed with your assessment on them not having any chance to win, despite spending over $200M every year, and for that, I'm a Yankee defender?

I was kind of kidding old sport BUT as I’ve been saying for several years (even before you signed here), the NYY certainly have assembled good teams but not good enough to win it all. This philosophy won’t get it done moving forward IMO.

[moonslav59]

Well we have won 4 rings —the best team in XXI C thus far. Hard to argue we haven’t spent money wisely. If we haven’t nobody has.

 

Regarding Price, he was a huge asset to win in 2018. I do not regret a bit, do you? Also Cole didn’t have Price’s pedigree at the time (2016). Apples and oranges bro.

 

We did not need Price in 2018, or even Sale and maybe even others.

[moonslav59]

Well we have won 4 rings —the best team in XXI C thus far. Hard to argue we haven’t spent money wisely. If we haven’t nobody has.

 

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Manny & JD. That's it for big FA signings that worked very well for us.

 

Two decades.

 

We've won with our trades, our farm and unsung heroes.

[iortiz]

We did not need Price in 2018, or even Sale and maybe even others.

 

Geez man really? Sale had a CY first-half season. Price in POs was a stud.

 

Who would have replaced those 2018 productions? I’ll wait.

 

Do not forget we destroyed 3 100+ win teams in POs. Arguably the toughest path to win a WS in MLB history.

 

Without Price we don’t get it done pal.

[moonslav59]

Geez man really? Sale had a CY first-half season. Price in POs was a stud.

 

Who would have replaced those 2018 productions? I’ll wait.

 

Do not forget we destroyed 3 100+ win teams in POs. Arguably the toughest path to win a WS in MLB history.

 

Without Price we don’t get it done pal.

 

We "destroyed" everyone.

 

We'd have won it all without any single player, including Price, Eovaldi, Pearce or whoever.

 

We'd likely have won without any two, but I won't go there.

 

BTW, did you forget Price had a 16.20 ERA vs the Yanks in the ALDS and was knocked out by the second inning. He did okay vs HOU in the ALCS but did allow 12 H+BB in 10.2 IP (2 GS). He did great in the WS that we won 4 games to one, and the one loss was barely that. It was actually what turned the series in our favor watching Nate be "the man."

 

As for Sale, we won the division by 8 games. Maybe we don't without him, but as you said, no way could the Yankee team ever win with the roster they constructed.

 

Edited June 7, 2021 by moonslav59

[iortiz]

We "destroyed" everyone.

 

We'd have won it all without any single player, including Price, Eovaldi, Pearce or whoever.

 

We'd likely have won without any two, but I won't go there.

 

BTW, did you forget Price had a 16.20 ERA vs the Yanks in the ALDS and was knocked out by the second inning. He did okay vs HOU in the ALCS but did allow 12 H+BB in 10.2 IP (2 GS). He did great in the WS that we won 4 games to one, and the one loss was barely that. It was actually what turned the series in our favor watching Nate be "the man."

 

 

Still, you had to win the games Price pitched in 2018 PO. Without those games you probably hadn’t won the WS. It’s easier to say than done moon.

Edited June 7, 2021 by iortiz

[iortiz]

Manny & JD. That's it for big FA signings that worked very well for us.

 

Two decades.

 

We've won with our trades, our farm and unsung heroes.

I meant all-in-all the money spent in those decades. It includes cheap pick ups and salaries paid to players via trades.

[iortiz]

We "destroyed" everyone.

 

We'd have won it all without any single player, including Price, Eovaldi, Pearce or whoever.

 

We'd likely have won without any two, but I won't go there.

 

BTW, did you forget Price had a 16.20 ERA vs the Yanks in the ALDS and was knocked out by the second inning. He did okay vs HOU in the ALCS but did allow 12 H+BB in 10.2 IP (2 GS). He did great in the WS that we won 4 games to one, and the one loss was barely that. It was actually what turned the series in our favor watching Nate be "the man."

 

As for Sale, we won the division by 8 games. Maybe we don't without him, but as you said, no way could the Yankee team ever win with the roster they constructed.

 

 

The fact they didn’t over a decade speaks volumes Moon.

[moonslav59]

The fact they didn’t over a decade speaks volumes Moon.

 

So, how could we possibly lose to the Yanks even without Price?

 

A guy nominated for the biggest choke in league history all the way up until 2 starts in the WS where he goes 5 and 5.2 IP.

 

[Bellhorn04]

So, how could we possibly lose to the Yanks even without Price?

 

A guy nominated for the biggest choke in league history all the way up until 2 starts in the WS where he goes 5 and 5.2 IP.

 

 

Huh?

[a700hitter]

We "destroyed" everyone.

 

We'd have won it all without any single player, including Price, Eovaldi, Pearce or whoever.

 

We'd likely have won without any two, but I won't go there.

 

 

But we didn’t

[moonslav59]

Huh?

 

His whole point was, on another thread, that there was no way the Yanks could ever win with the rosters they've had in the last decade.

 

[Bellhorn04]

His whole point was, on another thread, that there was no way the Yanks could ever win with the rosters they've had in the last decade.

 

 

I was just questioning your numbers on Price in that World Series.

[iortiz]

So, how could we possibly lose to the Yanks even without Price?

 

A guy nominated for the biggest choke in league history all the way up until 2 starts in the WS where he goes 5 and 5.2 IP.

 

 

Price was great in 2018 POs moon. Without him we don’t win in 2018. It’s a fact.

[moonslav59]

Price was great in 2018 POs moon. Without him we don’t win in 2018. It’s a fact.

 

Fact?

 

LOL.

 

It's a certainty we lose both games he pitched, had we started someone else?

 

Then, somehow, we lose another game he didn't even pitch in?

 

LOL.

 

Yes, he was great in the 2018 WS- not the whole PO's.

 

Pearce was, too.

 

Nate was, too.

 

Others, too.

[iortiz]

Fact?

 

LOL.

 

It's a certainty we lose both games he pitched, had we started someone else?

 

Then, somehow, we lose another game he didn't even pitch in?

 

LOL.

 

Geez moon he posted a solid 3.5 ERA and a 1.1 Whip that year in regular season.

 

Also he won 3 games in those POs 1 vs Houston and 2 vs LAD in the WS which he posted a ridiculous 1.98 ERA. Yes, it’s a fact, without him we don’t win it all that year.

[Hugh2]

I remember some people making the argument for price getting the world series MVP. He was good in the ALCS and the World series that year. I think it's a fair statement to say David Price was a large part of that world series win and we might not have won it without him.

[moonslav59]

I remember some people making the argument for price getting the world series MVP. He was good in the ALCS and the World series that year. I think it's a fair statement to say David Price was a large part of that world series win and we might not have won it without him.

 

I'm not arguing about his pitching in the WS. I'd be fine calling him the MVP. That does not mean it's a fact we couldn't have won without him,

 

The rest of the playoffs he let up 7 runs, 11 hits and 6 walks in 13.1 IP (3 GS'd).

 

That's a 4.73 ERA.

 

Priceless!

 

[moonslav59]

Geez moon he posted a solid 3.5 ERA and a 1.1 Whip that year in regular season.

 

Also he won 3 games in those POs 1 vs Houston and 2 vs LAD in the WS which he posted a ridiculous 1.98 ERA. Yes, it’s a fact, without him we don’t win it all that year.

 

Facts can be proven.

 

This is speculation.

 

Maybe we don't win without him, but we were awesome in 2018.

 

We lost Sale and picked up Nate and didn't miss a beat.

 

Steve Pearce came out of nowhere.

 

The Yanks couldn't win as you pointed out.

 

The Stros have proven they can't win without cheating.

 

The Dodgers would have been harder to beat without Price, but not impossible.

 

I still think we'd win without Price or any single Sox player.

 

We were that good.

 

In fact, the argument against DD, used my many, and maybe even you, was that he went for overkill and traded away too much of the farm for the win now plan that brought us the record breaking 2018 season.

 

Can I prove we win without Price OR Sale? No.

 

But, you can't prove we lose, either.

 

I'm not dissing Price or his 2018 WS two games started.

[Hugh2]

I'm not arguing about his pitching in the WS. I'd be fine calling him the MVP. That does not mean it's a fact we couldn't have won without him,

 

The rest of the playoffs he let up 7 runs, 11 hits and 6 walks in 13.1 IP (3 GS'd).

 

That's a 4.73 ERA.

 

Priceless!

 

 

Oh it's not a fact, we can never know, that is a permutation that we will never see played out nut I would believe someone if they came from a parallel universe and told me we lose to LA without David Price