Bloom move your asssssss

[moonslav59]

The mutha Fing Yankees are talking to Theo about Shwarber ......shhhhhhhhit !!! Don’t they already have baby Huey ?

 

They won't get him for cheap.

[Swiharts Ghost]

Listen give me one shiny Toy Moon ok ?enough of freaking Pollock ok Your giving me gray hair .I have always wanted that kid in Boston hell always wanted Kyle here also .

[Swiharts Ghost]

They won't get him for cheap.

 

 

Moon whyyyyy do they need Schwabzanagger

[notin]

According to my post #380, and a lot of writers with actual MLB sources, a lot of fans and professionals disagree with that site.

 

I think you put too much effort into trying to discredit this one source...

[notin]

How does Pederson help the rebuild?

 

He doesn’t, but Urias does. Possibly immensely.

 

Pederson offsets a little cash, like Pollock does in your scenario.,

[Swiharts Ghost]

They won't get him for cheap.

 

 

That’s not helping me right now .Theo is freaking Dog crap in Boston if he does that trade .

[Swiharts Ghost]

He doesn’t, but Urias does. Possibly immensely.

 

Pederson offsets a little cash, like Pollock does in your scenario.,

 

 

Except Pederson is built for Fenway ...other than that your right as usual

[Swiharts Ghost]

Blooooooooom Move YOUR ASsSsSSSSssSsSSS NOW go get Seager !!!!!!

[moonslav59]

He doesn’t, but Urias does. Possibly immensely.

 

Pederson offsets a little cash, like Pollock does in your scenario.,

 

I'd only do it, if we could flip Pederson for someone with more years of control.

 

How about Betts for Urias & Maeda?

 

The trade simulator accepted Urias, Maeda & Barnes for Betts.

Edited December 18, 2019 by moonslav59

[moonslav59]

Except Pederson is built for Fenway ...other than that your right as usual

 

To me, trading Betts would only be for helping our long term future. Urias does that, but Pederson does not. Betts is worth every penny he is getting paid and then some, so taking Pederson just to offset salary doesn't make sense to me. Someone like Maeda, who has 4 years of control at just $3.1M/yr makes more sense.

[Swiharts Ghost]

Moon WTH man ??? Pederson would help our future we could get a deal done or trade his happy ass

[moonslav59]

Moon WTH man ??? Pederson would help our future we could get a deal done or trade his happy ass

 

I suggested I'd do it, if we could flip him for something longer term, but why not just get that from LA?

[Swiharts Ghost]

Well because I want that kid in Beantown hearing Dirty watah for 3 to 5 years

[jacksonianmarch]

Pederson is not the guy you want. He’s so entirely overexposed vs lefties that he’s strictly a platoon player. I don’t care how good of a platoon player he is, he’s still a platoon guy and someone you need to sub out in big spots vs lefty relievers

[Swiharts Ghost]

I'll take Seager and virdugo but if they get Joc I will be happy .

[moonslav59]

Pederson is not the guy you want. He’s so entirely overexposed vs lefties that he’s strictly a platoon player. I don’t care how good of a platoon player he is, he’s still a platoon guy and someone you need to sub out in big spots vs lefty relievers

 

That part doesn't bother me as much as the one year of team control.

 

Rebuilding with one year players is not a good idea.

 

BTW, Yaz was a career .692 vs LHPs.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Pederson is not the guy you want. He’s so entirely overexposed vs lefties that he’s strictly a platoon player. I don’t care how good of a platoon player he is, he’s still a platoon guy and someone you need to sub out in big spots vs lefty relievers

 

I agree with all of this; I want no part of Pederson. He couldn't start in LA, and I remember how bad he looked in the outfield in the '18 World Series. If the Sox plan on contending, then the modifications -- even if that includes trading an outfielder -- won't include downgrading their launch-angle defense from one of the best to the one of the worst.

[jacksonianmarch]

That part doesn't bother me as much as the one year of team control.

 

Rebuilding with one year players is not a good idea.

 

BTW, Yaz was a career .692 vs LHPs.

 

Joc was .505 vs lefties last year. He’s a career .572OPSer vs lefties. He’s worse than a pitcher or your backup glove first MIFer vs lefties

[Swiharts Ghost]

Had no idea he was this bad last year but is this because he was a PT player ? Or is he more of a guy needing a change of scenery? I think the kids a stud and would love to have him playing at FENWAY

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

I think you put too much effort into trying to discredit this one source...

 

It feels like it's the other way around to me here. I mean, old guys at a bar can debate a reported proposal like Price for Madrigal and Vaughn, and then have another beer, and when someone mentions throwing in Benintendi, can't you just hear the animus? "A starting pitcher and a starting outfielder for two prospects who have yet to make the majors?!?!" Replies may or may not include calculations, but there can still be rational arguments for and against. Just like there is in MLB front offices.

 

All I'm ever saying -- based on what I read from the guys who do this for a living -- is it's not always quantifiable. Salary and years of control are hard data, but potential and/or projections are just conjecture (and yes, the latter pertains to vets, too, but at least they have established big league records).

 

Would the Red Sox make that deal? Yes, to unload Price and get under the magic number, plus to beef up the farm. Would the White Sox make that deal? Not unless they thought they could win this year, which isn't happening. Is Bloom crazy to ask for that deal? Nope, not as a starting point in conversations (he probably hopes he can get just one of those guys for Price, but may have to settle for a game-used jersey from Yolmer Sanchez).

[moonslav59]

Joc was .505 vs lefties last year. He’s a career .572OPSer vs lefties. He’s worse than a pitcher or your backup glove first MIFer vs lefties

 

I'm not defending Joc. I don't want to trade for him. I was firmly against the Carl Crawford signing for the same reason (.682 vs LHPs- career). That being said, unlike many here, I'm fine with platoons. Joc's career .860 vs RHPs is a nice thing to have in the line-up.

 

This year, Joc hit .920 vs RHPs with 36 HRs in just 401 ABs. That's 50 HRs per 650 PAs. That far outweighs the zero HRs vs lefties.

 

I just said his one year of team control is more of a deal-breaker than the splits.

[moonslav59]

Had no idea he was this bad last year but is this because he was a PT player ? Or is he more of a guy needing a change of scenery? I think the kids a stud and would love to have him playing at FENWAY

 

He started 104 games vs RHP'ers and 5 vs LHPs. He was platooned in LA, unlike Carl Crawford who was not in TB.

 

He started 86 vs RHPs and 2 vs LHPs in 2018. (64 to 10 in 2017.)

[notin]

He started 104 games vs RHP'ers and 5 vs LHPs. He was platooned in LA, unlike Carl Crawford who was not in TB.

 

He started 86 vs RHPs and 2 vs LHPs in 2018. (64 to 10 in 2017.)

 

Pederson has 375 career plate appearances vs LHP spread out over 6 seasons. The most he had in one year is 129 back in 2015, his first full season in the majors. Also his .691 OPS vs lefties that year was his best performance in that split.

 

The Dodgers basically stopped letting him hit LHP at that point. While they probably saw something they didn't like, they also severely hampered any chances he had to make any adjustments. Would regular paying time vs LHP help? No one will know until they try. But if he ever brings his split back up to .691, it certainly doesn't make him a lineup weakness...

[moonslav59]

Pederson has 375 career plate appearances vs LHP spread out over 6 seasons. The most he had in one year is 129 back in 2015, his first full season in the majors. Also his .691 OPS vs lefties that year was his best performance in that split.

 

The Dodgers basically stopped letting him hit LHP at that point. While they probably saw something they didn't like, they also severely hampered any chances he had to make any adjustments. Would regular paying time vs LHP help? No one will know until they try. But if he ever brings his split back up to .691, it certainly doesn't make him a lineup weakness...

 

How does he help our rebuild, unless we trade him for a longer controlled player(s)?

[notin]

How does he help our rebuild, unless we trade him for a longer controlled player(s)?

 

I don't think the Sox are going to "rebuild" and I don't think they're going to get extensive pieces for the right to pay Mookie Betts $30mill for one season. I think the reset is more important than the rebuild.

 

Does it help that Pederson has a 1.212 OPS vs Gerrit Cole?

Edited December 18, 2019 by notin

[moonslav59]

I don't think the Sox are going to "rebuild" and I don't think they're going to get extensive pieces for the right to pay Mookie Betts $30mill for one season. I think the reset is more important than the rebuild.

 

Does it help that Pederson has a 1.212 OPS vs Gerrit Cole?

 

You trade for Pederson, if you are going for a 2020 ring or a one year window.

 

Surely, we can get a younger, more cost controlled player with several years of team control for Betts.

 

I get the Urias part of the deal, but why not get another longer term piece with him? I get that the player will not be as good as Joc, but we need to get players that will be around for a while. Our roster and system lacks depth and has too little future hopes.

 

Would you rather have Maeda than Joc?

 

Do you not think LA would sub him for Joc?

[notin]

You trade for Pederson, if you are going for a 2020 ring or a one year window.

 

Surely, we can get a younger, more cost controlled player with several years of team control for Betts.

 

I get the Urias part of the deal, but why not get another longer term piece with him? I get that the player will not be as good as Joc, but we need to get players that will be around for a while. Our roster and system lacks depth and has too little future hopes.

 

Would you rather have Maeda than Joc?

 

Do you not think LA would sub him for Joc?

 

I would rather have Maeda than Joc. But I don’t think Mookie Betts and his projected salary and one year of control will get as much as many fans think. I would hope Bloom would ask for Urias and Maeda, but his former boss Friedman would say “I’ll give you either one and you can either throw in some cash or take a contract back.” In that case, I take Urias and Pederson. But this is not the top target; this is worst case scenario. Anything less, no deal. And even with this offer, I still would shop around to their teams for a better one.

 

If Bloom can talk the Dodgers into also including another prospect like Ruiz or Gray or Downs, even better...

Edited December 18, 2019 by notin

[moonslav59]

I would rather have Maeda than Joc. But I don’t think Mookie Betts and his projected salary and one year of control will get as much as many fans think. I would hope Bloom would ask for Urias and Maeda, but his former boss Friedman would say “I’ll give you either one and you can either throw in some cash or take a contract back.” In that case, I take Urias and Pederson. But this is not the top target; this is worst case scenario. Anything less, no deal. And even with this offer, I still would shop around to their teams for a better one.

 

If Bloom can talk the Dodgers into also including another prospect like Ruiz or Gray or Downs, even better...

 

I'd rather add a little money than take Joc, however, Maeda is owed more total money than Pedersson.

[notin]

I'd rather add a little money than take Joc, however, Maeda is owed more total money than Pedersson.

 

I don’t see the Dodgers adding two worthwhile major league arms for one $30 mill season of Betts...

[moonslav59]

I know you dislike multi-player deals, but how's this one?

 

Betts, Price (+$9M) & Duran (takes the place of Betts in 2021)

 

for

 

Pollock & Kelly (partial money balancers), Maeda, Urias & Downs

 

(This was accepted on the TS site.)