Red Sox have fired GM Dave Dombrowski

[notin]

He was obviously blamed, but he's also more to blame than Cora.

 

We "can't fire the players," or so they say, although we did it twice in the past decade.

 

I don't think Henry trusted DD to hire the right GM or to not meddle with a new GM.

 

Possible he offered him a demotion to just being the GM, too, with a new President above him, and DD refused...

[Bellhorn04]

But responsibilities can be divided up accordingly.

 

The Sox could have simply made Dombrowski the GM and brought in a new president above him. And maybe they presented him that offer and he refused, in which case I am wrong.

 

Last time, it was Lucchino who was fired and Dombrowski offered to keep Cherington, although we don't know what responsibilities he was going to leave him with. (But we do suspect he was going to limit him.)

 

I honestly don't know what the duties of a President/GM who isn't the de facto decision maker are.

 

What does Jed Hoyer do as GM of the Cubs?

[notin]

 

What does Jed Hoyer do as GM of the Cubs?

 

Refuse to return my calls for one.

 

He actually probably does more than we realize, but he isn't the same level of celebrity as his boss...

[moonslav59]

I honestly don't know what the duties of a President/GM who isn't the de facto decision maker are.

 

What does Jed Hoyer do as GM of the Cubs?

 

Coffee boy.

[notin]

Coffee boy.

 

Coffee MAN

 

Show him the respect he deserves...

[moonslav59]

Coffee MAN

 

Show him the respect he deserves...

 

My bad. That was so non PC!

[Bellhorn04]

My bad. That was so non PC!

 

PC would be Administrator, Coffee Operations.

[moonslav59]

PC would be Administrator, Coffee Operations.

 

The ole' ACO!

[notin]

PC would be Administrator, Coffee Operations.

 

CBO?

 

Chief Beverage Officer..

[jung]

I honestly don't know what the duties of a President/GM who isn't the de facto decision maker are.

 

What does Jed Hoyer do as GM of the Cubs?

 

At least as I would perceive it organizationally a GM functioning under a President of Baseball Ops would function for the world of professional players (trade candidates) as the Director of Player Personnel would act for the organization's minor league players and the pool of amateur and international players. The GM would also be responsible for rolling all of that data up into an organized portfolio of potential call ups, draft and trade candidates for the Pres of Baseball Ops. GM probably handles the administration paperwork of trades and contracts as well.

 

Remember, while we tend to think of the Pres of Baseball Ops as totally about players, there is the rest of the front office for the President of Baseball Ops to handle, the analytics dept, all of the coaches, major league and minor league, it all falls into his lap.

 

Now that Kennedy is the CEO of the Red Sox, DD and any other Pres of Baseball Ops would report through Kennedy with Kennedy now having all the business end responsibilities just as he had as President of the Team now including acting as the reporting channel for the President of Baseball Ops up to ownership.

 

I don't have a Sox org chart but having been an exec in a business, looking at the position titles and general responsibilities that is how I would suggest they are organized with the GM functioning in the role I suggest.

[FredLynn]

you dont know what the f*** you are talking about. this is 100% about the Sox not making the PO's this year.

the Sox make the 2019 postseason and DD still has a job. but whatever. you are a doctor and NOT a troll so you know all things red sox

 

I think its more than just about not making the playoffs. I think that the handwriting is on the wall for a rebuild now. DD is not the right guy for a rebuild; he is a destroyer of farm systems. Henry knows that. This is going to be just the tip of the iceberg. Mookie will probably get moved this offseason; we can't afford him. My guess is that Cora gets one more year. If he manages like a brain dead cockroach like he did this year he will be gone the following year. It won't take long to rebuild, maybe a couple of years. But major changes are afoot and its probably not going to be a lot of fun to be a Sox fan for a while.

[Slasher9]

I think its more than just about not making the playoffs. I think that the handwriting is on the wall for a rebuild now. DD is not the right guy for a rebuild; he is a destroyer of farm systems. Henry knows that. This is going to be just the tip of the iceberg. Mookie will probably get moved this offseason; we can't afford him. My guess is that Cora gets one more year. If he manages like a brain dead cockroach like he did this year he will be gone the following year. It won't take long to rebuild, maybe a couple of years. But major changes are afoot and its probably not going to be a lot of fun to be a Sox fan for a while.

 

right. but if we made it to the postseason and had another parade do you think DD is fired?

the reason we are going to make "major changes" and "reset" is because we are missing the playoffs....

[dgalehouse]

Kind of tough when three three straight A.L. East titles and one World Series championship gets you axed . I think John Henry probably gave Shaughnessy the scoop on this to kind of set the stage . There most likely were several reasons for this firing .

1 - A complacent , inactive and seemingly smug ( D.D. does kind of exude smugness ) off season that led to :

2 - A ( not entirely surprisingly ) disappointing season that included a real butt kicking from our arch rival .

3 - Big money contracts to Eovaldi , Price and Sale that did not produce the desired results and could be a burden for years to come.

 

4 - A farm system that is pretty much devoid of any real blue chip prospects .

5 - A desire to go with somebody new who ( hopefully ) can correct the above mentioned .

Good luck with all of that .

Edited September 9, 2019 by dgalehouse

[jacksonianmarch]

Nobody gives a s*** about a farm system until it is needed. Nobody batted an eye when DD dealt away all those players, most of which didn't make as much of an impact as the guys brought in. Listen, I would say his deals were winners. His losses were that he didn't know when to say stop. He brings guys in, breaks and resets the market with them when the time comes and essentially rides his best teams until they retire. It leads to incredible success and then incredibly overpaid players who cannot play anymore. You needed your farm this year. You needed a pitcher to step in for Sale and Price and Eo. You had nobody. Everyone else got better, the sox got worse and thinner. That is on DD. That is why he is likely heading into retirement

[notin]

Nobody gives a s*** about a farm system until it is needed. Nobody batted an eye when DD dealt away all those players, most of which didn't make as much of an impact as the guys brought in. Listen, I would say his deals were winners. His losses were that he didn't know when to say stop. He brings guys in, breaks and resets the market with them when the time comes and essentially rides his best teams until they retire. It leads to incredible success and then incredibly overpaid players who cannot play anymore. You needed your farm this year. You needed a pitcher to step in for Sale and Price and Eo. You had nobody. Everyone else got better, the sox got worse and thinner. That is on DD. That is why he is likely heading into retirement

 

Apparently you weren't posting on those days...

[bosoxmal]

Really really surprising.

 

Let it be known, you must win the world series every year if you want to keep your job. Yikes!

No/ You must not sit around while your billion dollar team goes in to a total collapse.

[dgalehouse]

Really really surprising.

 

Let it be known, you must win the world series every year if you want to keep your job. Yikes!

 

When you rub people the wrong way and come across as smug and self satisfied ; you probably do need to win every year . May not be fair , but what is ?

[notin]

When you rub people the wrong way and come across as smug and self satisfied ; you probably do need to win every year . May not be fair , but what is ?

 

Maybe true, but we really don't know if Dombrowski is like that, especially around Henry, who has known him since their days together with the Marlins...

[Elktonnick]

Today on High Heat on the MLB Channel Chris Russo claimed that baseball operations reasons are a cover for the real reasons DD got fired. Chris "Mad Dog" Russo believes that Dombrowski was not fired because of baseball reasons. Russo cites unspecified rumors circulating for more than a year that Dombrowki was fired for his "leadership style and personal behavior ". Simply put he wasn't well liked by most folks within the front office. He pissed people off.

[bosoxmal]

surprises are about to become more common. GM's want their own man in the dugout. And I wouldn't give a nickel for the chances of Sale. Porcello or Price beinmg around next year. Moreland, Bradley and several of the BP pitchers also may have some trade battle.

 

The off-season is going to be interesting!

 

This team is having trouble ending up with A WINNING HOME RECORDS. When was the last time THAT happened?

[S5Dewey]

right. but if we made it to the postseason and had another parade do you think DD is fired?

the reason we are going to make "major changes" and "reset" is because we are missing the playoffs....

 

...and the reason we are missing the playoffs is because our top three starters imploded. So DD got fired.

[notin]

Today on High Heat on the MLB Channel Chris Russo claimed that baseball operations reasons are a cover for the real reasons DD got fired. Chris "Mad Dog" Russo believes that Dombrowski was not fired because of baseball reasons. Russo cites unspecified rumors circulating for more than a year that Dombrowki was fired for his "leadership style and personal behavior ". Simply put he wasn't well liked by most folks within the front office. He pissed people off.

 

Well then maybe dgalehouse is right. Chris Russo certainly thinks so...

[SoxnCycles]

right. but if we made it to the postseason and had another parade do you think DD is fired?

the reason we are going to make "major changes" and "reset" is because we are missing the playoffs....

 

If the Sox won the WS this year, signing Price and extending Sale and Eovaldi wouldn't look like such a screw up.

Because of those contracts, the sox are probably going to have to choose between Betts and Martinez.

[Carpin]

If the Sox won the WS this year, signing Price and extending Sale and Eovaldi wouldn't look like such a screw up.

Because of those contracts, the sox are probably going to have to choose between Betts and Martinez.

 

MArtinez will make the decision not the Sox, JD is holding the cards, he probably has the future of Betts in his hands. BTW, I don't think he opts-out of his contract, even if I think he has been worth the money

[SoxnCycles]

Well then maybe dgalehouse is right. Chris Russo certainly thinks so...

 

It would explain why they announced it during a Pats blow out and are afraid to talk about it.

[Bellhorn04]

...and the reason we are missing the playoffs is because our top three starters imploded. So DD got fired.

 

Well, there are a couple of other big things about the starters:

 

1) Sale was signed to that extension in spite of all the injury concerns and it doesn't look good.

2) DD's big acquisition was Eovaldi and that doesn't look good either.

[Elktonnick]

Well then maybe dgalehouse is right. Chris Russo certainly thinks so...

 

Obviously we won't know unless or until the Red Sox are more forthcoming. Russo specifically mentioned the fact that the Sox did not do a major new conference which he suggests supports the firing was based on leadership style and personal behavior. If I remember correctly Shaughnessy's original article intimated that there were personal style issues with Dombrowski and the rest of the front office.

[moonslav59]

I think its more than just about not making the playoffs. I think that the handwriting is on the wall for a rebuild now. DD is not the right guy for a rebuild; he is a destroyer of farm systems. Henry knows that. This is going to be just the tip of the iceberg. Mookie will probably get moved this offseason; we can't afford him. My guess is that Cora gets one more year. If he manages like a brain dead cockroach like he did this year he will be gone the following year. It won't take long to rebuild, maybe a couple of years. But major changes are afoot and its probably not going to be a lot of fun to be a Sox fan for a while.

 

That's how I see it, and that's what I used as my main reason for saying I wanted DD replaced this winter.

[moonslav59]

Nobody gives a s*** about a farm system until it is needed. Nobody batted an eye when DD dealt away all those players, most of which didn't make as much of an impact as the guys brought in. Listen, I would say his deals were winners. His losses were that he didn't know when to say stop. He brings guys in, breaks and resets the market with them when the time comes and essentially rides his best teams until they retire. It leads to incredible success and then incredibly overpaid players who cannot play anymore. You needed your farm this year. You needed a pitcher to step in for Sale and Price and Eo. You had nobody. Everyone else got better, the sox got worse and thinner. That is on DD. That is why he is likely heading into retirement

 

Several of us batted both eyes when the farm was emptied.

 

I was fine with the idea as long as we won a ring, and we did. However, I knew this day was coming.

[moonslav59]

...and the reason we are missing the playoffs is because our top three starters imploded. So DD got fired.

 

Their salaries and projected value per dollar going forward is tied to your statement.