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[Noles_1335]

To put it plain and simple this season is shot. With 24 games left we can't expect to catch anyone at this point. We would need a complete meltdown from Oak and Cleveland. Even if we went 18-6 they would need to go 12-12 the rest of the way.... Not happening! That falls completely on DD. No chance in hell you make a push with guys like BJ, HV and Rick(I'll give you 95 pitches before the 5th) Porcello for the stretch. Play the youngsters and see what they got, use the last 20 or so and see what the future may hold.

[moonslav59]

To put it plain and simple this season is shot. With 24 games left we can't expect to catch anyone at this point. We would need a complete meltdown from Oak and Cleveland. Even if we went 18-6 they would need to go 12-12 the rest of the way.... Not happening! That falls completely on DD. No chance in hell you make a push with guys like BJ, HV and Rick(I'll give you 95 pitches before the 5th) Porcello for the stretch. Play the youngsters and see what they got, use the last 20 or so and see what the future may hold.

 

Exactly.

 

Bring up Dalbec and Ockimey to play 1B.

 

Let Marco and Chatham play 2B, and give Bogey and Devers a breather here and there at SS/3B.

 

Let's see how Centeno looks as a possible Leon replacement next year.

 

If they think Duran is ML ready, bring him on!

 

Pitching? Bring up Houck and Velezaquez and others.

 

I'd let Johnson start 3-4 more games and tell him he's going 5, unless he lets up 8 runs. Last chance train for him.

 

Shut Price down.

[Bellhorn04]

To put it plain and simple this season is shot. With 24 games left we can't expect to catch anyone at this point. We would need a complete meltdown from Oak and Cleveland. Even if we went 18-6 they would need to go 12-12 the rest of the way.... Not happening! That falls completely on DD. No chance in hell you make a push with guys like BJ, HV and Rick(I'll give you 95 pitches before the 5th) Porcello for the stretch. Play the youngsters and see what they got, use the last 20 or so and see what the future may hold.

 

Nope. You can't just throw in the towel and start workouts for next year. This is major league baseball and fans are paying huge dollars to watch it.

 

The time for what you're talking about appears to be coming soon but it's not here yet.

[moonslav59]

Nope. You can't just throw in the towel and start workouts for next year. This is major league baseball and fans are paying huge dollars to watch it.

 

The time for what you're talking about appears to be coming soon but it's not here yet.

 

I'm the biggest Sox fan in the universe, and I'd prefer to see next year's talent, now.

 

I don't want to watch Porcello and Moreland anymore..

[notin]

I'm the biggest Sox fan in the universe, and I'd prefer to see next year's talent, now.

 

I don't want to watch Porcello and Moreland anymore..

 

At this point, we might as well see if we have an internal replacement for Porcello. We know we have one for Moreland in Chavis...

[Slasher9]

Possibly so. But still, it put a man at second with Mookie and Raffy coming up. They just didn't get it done.

 

i will let Kimmi answer this one.

[Slasher9]

Nope. You can't just throw in the towel and start workouts for next year. This is major league baseball and fans are paying huge dollars to watch it.

 

The time for what you're talking about appears to be coming soon but it's not here yet.

 

my man Mathematics says you are spot on.

never.

give.

up.

[Maxbialystock]

Let's be fair. DD has a major hand in this too.

 

DD is the reason the best we can do for late-season lineup 'bolstering' is Owings and Gorkys.

 

I honestly could care less about late-season lineup bolstering when the lineup overall has been good this year and the real problem is with the rotation.

 

That is also why I started a thread on Owings because I still do not understand why, with such a terrible rotation, DD and Cora went with 12 pitchers instead of the 13 they had been using all year--and added Owings to the roster instead.

 

When Sale, Price, Porcello, Eovaldi, and--oh, yes--Cashner have been this awful, to me the bullpen becomes more important by far than fringe moves with guys like Owings.

 

As for JBJ, I'm sort of on the fence but right now would tend to play him, at least until the Sox are clearly out of the wild card, which could happen during this present 7 game string vs the Twins and Yankees. I'm not sure he's worth all of that $8M he's getting, but he is still a good centerfielder who now and then can hit and has an OPS of .731.

Edited September 4, 2019 by Maxbialystock

[Noles_1335]

Exactly.

 

Bring up Dalbec and Ockimey to play 1B.

 

Let Marco and Chatham play 2B, and give Bogey and Devers a breather here and there at SS/3B.

 

Let's see how Centeno looks as a possible Leon replacement next year.

 

If they think Duran is ML ready, bring him on!

 

Pitching? Bring up Houck and Velezaquez and others.

 

I'd let Johnson start 3-4 more games and tell him he's going 5, unless he lets up 8 runs. Last chance train for him.

 

Shut Price down.

 

Moon for GM..... gotta see what the other guys can do. If they come up and are dead weight we know what we are looking for in the off season and who can actually contribute in 2020. I agree on Price 100%... If Sale does need TJ we will need a healthy Price going forward in 2020

[notin]

I honestly could care less about late-season lineup bolstering when the lineup overall has been good this year and the real problem is with the rotation.

 

That is also why I started a thread on Owings because I still do not understand why, with such a terrible rotation, DD and Cora went with 12 pitchers instead of the 13 they had been using all year--and added Owings to the roster instead.

 

When Sale, Price, Porcello, Eovaldi, and--oh, yes--Cashner have been this awful, to me the bullpen becomes more important by far than fringe moves with guys like Owings.

 

As for JBJ, I'm sort of on the fence but right now would tend to play him, at least until the Sox are clearly out of the wild card, which could happen during this present 7 game string vs the Twins and Yankees. I'm not sure he's worth all of that $8M he's getting, but he is still a good centerfielder who now and then can hit and has an OPS of .731.

 

If the other option is Gorky, I play JBJ everyday. I’d have JBJ bat right-handed before handing starts to Gorkys...

[Bellhorn04]

I'm the biggest Sox fan in the universe, and I'd prefer to see next year's talent, now.

 

I don't want to watch Porcello and Moreland anymore..

 

You might be the biggest Sox fan in the universe, but you've tossed in the towel. Not everyone has.

 

I think most of the fans going to Fenway this week expect the team to try to win the games until they're mathematically eliminated.

[notin]

You might be the biggest Sox fan in the universe, but you've tossed in the towel. Not everyone has.

 

I think most of the fans going to Fenway this week expect the team to try to win the games until they're mathematically eliminated.

 

The question is - is repeatedly throwing Porcello and Brian Johnson out there just putting up the facade of trying to win? It seems to me at some point, giving important starts to Porcello is just doing what hasn't worked so well all year and hoping it magically gets better.

 

At some point, maybe it does become time to make a change because of the necessity to win...

[Bellhorn04]

The question is - is repeatedly throwing Porcello and Brian Johnson out there just putting up the facade of trying to win? It seems to me at some point, giving important starts to Porcello is just doing what hasn't worked so well all year and hoping it magically gets better.

 

At some point, maybe it does become time to make a change because of the necessity to win...

 

You know better. Our replacement for Porcello would be, if not Johnson, Ryan Weber or someone of his ilk.

[notin]

You know better. Our replacement for Porcello would be, if not Johnson, Ryan Weber or someone of his ilk.

 

Why not Chacin? Or Shawaryn? Cashner?

[notin]

Why not Chacin? Or Shawaryn? Cashner?

 

Price-ERod-Eovaldi-Chacin-Cashner?

 

Better or worse than the current rotation?

[Bellhorn04]

Why not Chacin? Or Shawaryn? Cashner?

 

Cashner was even worse than Porcello as a starter. He's been good as a reliever.

 

We're talking Russian Roulette here...

[Bellhorn04]

Price-ERod-Eovaldi-Chacin-Cashner?

 

Better or worse than the current rotation?

 

Setting E-Rod aside, when was the last time one of these guys had a Quality Start?

[notin]

Cashner was even worse than Porcello as a starter. He's been good as a reliever.

 

We're talking Russian Roulette here...

 

Maybe

 

But Cashner logged 30 IP as a Sox starter. Porcello hasn't gotten anything going in over 150...

[Bellhorn04]

Maybe

 

But Cashner logged 30 IP as a Sox starter. Porcello hasn't gotten anything going in over 150...

 

Yes, Cashner might be a better choice than Porcello going forward. Heavy emphasis on 'might'.

[Slasher9]

The question is - is repeatedly throwing Porcello and Brian Johnson out there just putting up the facade of trying to win? It seems to me at some point, giving important starts to Porcello is just doing what hasn't worked so well all year and hoping it magically gets better.

 

At some point, maybe it does become time to make a change because of the necessity to win...

 

i dont have a problem with going with an 8 man rotation and include all of them in starts. but guess what? its f***ing win every game time so the second 1 of these 8 gives up a bomb it's time to throw in another arm. lets go with a 27 pitcher / 13 position player roster and use 1 pitcher for 1 out in every game if thats what it takes. i think im at the point where im not even joking. to leave porcello in to give up 6 earned runs last night when the rosters have expanded was f***ing negligence......

[notin]

Setting E-Rod aside, when was the last time one of these guys had a Quality Start?

 

A bit unfair sine Eovaldi has made so few starts this year and Price has been on the IL But Price had one one July 24, and then was IL'd 2 starts later. Chacin had one July 3, and has only appeared in 3 games since. Cashner has only had one since joining the Sox, but it was against the Yankees..

[Slasher9]

Setting E-Rod aside, when was the last time one of these guys had a Quality Start?

 

WTF doesnt want to rush any of his SP back after last years loooooong pennant run. i think mid september is when he plans on going for it this season.....

[Bellhorn04]

A bit unfair sine Eovaldi has made so few starts this year and Price has been on the IL But Price had one one July 24, and then was IL'd 2 starts later. Chacin had one July 3, and has only appeared in 3 games since. Cashner has only had one since joining the Sox, but it was against the Yankees..

 

I didn't mean it to be unfair. I realize that injuries were part of it. Just pointing out what rough shape the group is in.

[Bellhorn04]

WTF doesnt want to rush any of his SP back after last years loooooong pennant run. i think mid september is when he plans on going for it this season.....

 

Well, let's see:

 

Sale - gone.

Price - mystery injuries popping up left, right and center.

Eovaldi - missed most of the year and hasn't been great when he's pitched.

Porcello - DFA candidate.

Cashner, Johnson, whoever else - more s***.

 

Yeah, AC is doing a terrible job managing this stalwart staff.

[Slasher9]

Well, let's see:

 

Sale - gone.

Price - mystery injuries popping up left, right and center.

Eovaldi - missed most of the year and hasn't been great when he's pitched.

Porcello - DFA candidate.

Cashner, Johnson, whoever else - more s***.

 

Yeah, AC is doing a terrible job managing this stalwart staff.

 

i am already on record stating i believe that babying these starters directly resulted in this seasons poor performance and injury issues. if they had been ramped up in the spring of 2019 they all would have been fine and been 18-2 at this point of the season. Maxbialystock will come on and say that they only pitched 1/3 of an inning less this spring then last spring. its not about the # of innings as much as it is the extremely lackadaisical mental attitude portrayed to the entire team by WTF since day 1 of ST. lackadaisical + professional sports = disaster.

18-2.

[Bellhorn04]

i am already on record stating i believe that babying these starters directly resulted in this seasons poor performance and injury issues. if they had been ramped up in the spring of 2019 they all would have been fine and been 18-2 at this point of the season. Maxbialystock will come on and say that they only pitched 1/3 of an inning less this spring then last spring. its not about the # of innings as much as it is the extremely lackadaisical mental attitude portrayed to the entire team by WTF since day 1 of ST. lackadaisical + professional sports = disaster.

18-2.

 

So you really think a veteran pitcher like Rick Porcello in his contract year is posting a 6 ERA because Cora babied him in ST?

 

I think you have to be kidding.

 

And Sale wasn't fully healthy at the end of last year to begin with.

[Bellhorn04]

Eovaldi's issue this year was the same one he had last year when he was, um, with Tampa Bay.

[Bellhorn04]

And let's not forget the babying of Cashner in ST...oh wait...

[Bellhorn04]

And what about E-Rod. How can he be possibly pitching so well after all that babying? Hard to figure...

[Slasher9]

So you really think a veteran pitcher like Rick Porcello in his contract year is posting a 6 ERA because Cora babied him in ST?

 

I think you have to be kidding.

 

And Sale wasn't fully healthy at the end of last year to begin with.

 

lackadaisical approach to the season = lackadaisical season

mental approach in many things is important. in baseball its everything.