Mid Season, Fenway, Toronto? Playoffs? PLAYOFFS?

[harmony]

Unless they lose those games...

So far this year the Rangers, Athletics and Angels are 14-5 against the Orioles and Blue Jays.

 

That'll boost the win total.

[harmony]

The Mariners have played below .350 since their 11-2 start. That's worse than the Blue Jays.

The Mariners opened the season 13-2, fell into a 12-37 slide, but have rebounded with a 10-8 record since.

 

FiveThirtyEight assigns a numerial Team Rating to each club. Currently the decidedly last-place Mariners (1474) are closer to the Red Sox (1552) than they are to the Orioles (1395):

 

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2019-mlb-predictions/

[moonslav59]

Actually.....the Sox are not one of the best teams in the AL. They are exactly as good as their record says they are. I think they are one of the most talented teams in the AL, but so far they have clearly not played up to their potential.

 

We are one of the best... 6th best.

[notin]

So far this year the Rangers, Athletics and Angels are 14-5 against the Orioles and Blue Jays.

 

That'll boost the win total.

 

Incorrect.

 

Oakland is 6-7 (0-6 vs Toronto)

 

Texas is 4-2.

 

Los Angeles is 8-2.

 

That’s 18-11. And the only team really bolstering their record is the Angels...

[harmony]

Incorrect.

 

Oakland is 6-7 (0-6 vs Toronto)

 

Texas is 4-2.

 

Los Angeles is 8-2.

 

That’s 18-11. And the only team really bolstering their record is the Angels...

My mistake in missing Oakland's 0-6 record against Toronto. Thank you for the correction.

 

So the 18-11 (.621) record of the Rangers, Athletics and Angels against the Orioles and Blue Jays compares with the 12-7 (.632) record of the Red Sox against those clubs.

 

And the decidedly last-place Mariners are 3-1 (.750) against the Orioles and Blue Jays.

[Slasher9]

my mistake in missing oakland's 0-6 record against toronto. Thank you for the correction.

 

So the 18-11 (.621) record of the rangers, athletics and angels against the orioles and blue jays compares with the 12-7 (.632) record of the red sox against those clubs.

 

And the decidedly last-place mariners are 3-1 (.750) against the orioles and blue jays.

 

ale > alw

[harmony]

ale > alw

The myth persists.

 

The AL East is a cumulative 15 games below .500 and the AL West is a cumulative .500 games above .500.

 

The AL East is 43-50 (.462) in head-to-head competiton against the AL West.

 

Numbers don't lie.

 

The fine teams at the top of the AL East are not enough to compensate for the woeful teams at the bottom.

[dgalehouse]

The myth persists.

 

The AL East is a cumulative 15 games below .500 and the AL West is a cumulative .500 games above .500.

 

The AL East is 43-50 (.462) in head-to-head competiton against the AL West.

 

Numbers don't lie.

 

The fine teams at the top of the AL East are not enough to compensate for the woeful teams at the bottom.

 

It is a sad state of affairs for the American League with so many awful teams . Sadly , the Mariners are one of them .

[notin]

The myth persists.

 

The AL East is a cumulative 15 games below .500 and the AL West is a cumulative .500 games above .500.

 

The AL East is 43-50 (.462) in head-to-head competiton against the AL West.

 

Numbers don't lie.

 

The fine teams at the top of the AL East are not enough to compensate for the woeful teams at the bottom.

 

This does include a 2-6 stretch by the Red Sox where they opened the season against the only 2 teams in MLB that were already into their regular season...

[harmony]

It is a sad state of affairs for the American League with so many awful teams . Sadly , the Mariners are one of them .

There is awful and then there are the Orioles.

 

FiveThirtyEight assigns a numerial Team Rating to each club. Currently the decidedly last-place Mariners (1474) are closer to the Red Sox (1552) than they are to the Orioles (1395):

 

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2019-mlb-predictions/

[Slasher9]

The myth persists.

 

The AL East is a cumulative 15 games below .500 and the AL West is a cumulative .500 games above .500.

 

The AL East is 43-50 (.462) in head-to-head competiton against the AL West.

 

Numbers don't lie.

 

The fine teams at the top of the AL East are not enough to compensate for the woeful teams at the bottom.

 

gun to your head....your best chance to ever win a division:

stay in the ALW

move to the ALE

 

whats your answer?

[harmony]

gun to your head....your best chance to ever win a division:

stay in the ALW

move to the ALE

 

whats your answer?

That's a different question.

 

Last year the third-place Seattle Mariners were 19-15 (.559) against the AL East and 41-35 (.539) against the AL West.

 

In the last nine World Series, the American League has been represented by the AL Central four times, the AL West three times and the AL East twice.

 

The myth persists.

[moonslav59]

That's a different question.

 

Last year the third-place Seattle Mariners were 19-15 (.559) against the AL East and 41-35 (.539) against the AL West.

 

In the last nine World Series, the American League has been represented by the AL Central four times, the AL West three times and the AL East twice.

 

The myth persists.

 

You didn't answer the question.

[notin]

You didn't answer the question.

 

 

And he had a gun to his head!!!

[harmony]

You didn't answer the question.

:)

 

All five teams have won an American League East title this decade, so ...

[S5Dewey]

That's a different question.

 

Last year the third-place Seattle Mariners were 19-15 (.559) against the AL East and 41-35 (.539) against the AL West.

 

In the last nine World Series, the American League has been represented by the AL Central four times, the AL West three times and the AL East twice.

 

The myth persists.

 

And in the last nine ALCS the East has been represented 8 times while the Central and West have been represented 5 times each.

 

BTW, if it weren't for the two Texas teams (which are actually in the central part of the country) the "West" would have been represented exactly 0 times. The Left coast gets Left Out.

 

There are occasional good teams in the AL Central and AL West but dominance of the ALE isn't a myth... it's fact.

[Slasher9]

:)

 

All five teams have won an American League East title this decade, so ...

 

So gun to your head you would prefer the Seattle Mariners be moved to the ALE?

Click,click, boom.

[harmony]

So gun to your head you would prefer the Seattle Mariners be moved to the ALE?

Click,click, boom.

To trade places with the New York Yankees, yes.

 

Last season the AL East posted cumulative record of 418-392 (.516) while the AL West posted a cumulative record of 436-374 (.538).

 

The AL East, however, held its own in head-to-head competition against the AL West with an 83-82 record (but has fallen to 43-50 so far this year).

 

BTW, I don't joke around with guns.

[harmony]

And in the last nine ALCS the East has been represented 8 times while the Central and West have been represented 5 times each.

 

BTW, if it weren't for the two Texas teams (which are actually in the central part of the country) the "West" would have been represented exactly 0 times. The Left coast gets Left Out.

 

There are occasional good teams in the AL Central and AL West but dominance of the ALE isn't a myth... it's fact.

To be precise, that's not a fact, it's an opinion ... an opinion not supported by the numbers.

 

Another approach would be to add up the current numerical Team Ratings at FiveThirtyEight:

 

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2019-mlb-predictions/

 

The American League East adds up to 7527 and the American League West 7561.

 

I entered this discussion only to offer that the fine teams in the American League East can pad their win totals playing in the same division as the Orioles and Blue Jays. That is well established by the numbers.

 

If the last-place Mariners and last-place Orioles swapped divisions this year, I suspect the top AL East teams would win fewer games and the top AL West teams would win more games. A swap of the fourth-place Blue Jays and the fourth-place Angels would likely move the needle in the same direction.

[moonslav59]

:)

 

All five teams have won an American League East title this decade, so ...

 

So....?

 

Yes, you think you'd have a better chance at winning the ALE as the ALW?

 

It's one thing to look at W% and past division winners, but would it be easier to win a division with the NYY, BOS & TBR in it vs one that has HOU, OAK & TEX?

 

Yes, two different questions but perhaps 2 different answers, too.

 

The ALW may have a better winning %, but may be easier to actually win the division.

[jacksonianmarch]

So....?

 

Yes, you think you'd have a better chance at winning the ALE as the ALW?

 

It's one thing to look at W% and past division winners, but would it be easier to win a division with the NYY, BOS & TBR in it vs one that has HOU, OAK & TEX?

 

Yes, two different questions but perhaps 2 different answers, too.

 

The ALW may have a better winning %, but may be easier to actually win the division.

 

The AL West is a bucket of mediocrity with one true top dog. The AL east is what it is because two teams are rebuilding, mostly because the three top dogs are so far and away better that they are biding their time for their window to come

[d-money]

The Yankees are a machine this season. Who can stop them seriously? I hope this is not another mini dynasty in the making.

[jacksonianmarch]

The Yankees are a machine this season. Who can stop them seriously? I hope this is not another mini dynasty in the making.

 

Young core with power. 2-0 already

[Kimmi]

The Yankees are a machine this season. Who can stop them seriously? I hope this is not another mini dynasty in the making.

 

The Yankees don't scare me.

[a700hitter]

The Yankees are a machine this season. Who can stop them seriously? I hope this is not another mini dynasty in the making.

They are just having one of those seasons so far. They will hit some bumps. I don’t think they are a very exceptional squad. What they do have is an exceptional bullpen. DD should have snagged at least one of their guys.

[TylerD]

The Yankees are a machine this season. Who can stop them seriously? I hope this is not another mini dynasty in the making.

 

They are definitely the team to beat but I wouldn't say we can't beat them. Would I put money on it that we can beat them? No..... But any given day in the playoffs anything can happen. When Sale and Price are on their A game they can shut down any lineup and I don't care who is batting. I definitely wouldn't want to face them as my first choice come playoffs but if we go on a run in the playoffs it will have to happen. Yankees are for real this year and won't go out in the first round.

[harmony]

There is awful and then there are the Orioles.

 

FiveThirtyEight assigns a numerial Team Rating to each club. Currently the decidedly last-place Mariners (1474) are closer to the Red Sox (1552) than they are to the Orioles (1395):

 

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2019-mlb-predictions/

Perhaps I should quit bad-mouthing the Orioles, the only team to beat the Mariners in the M’s last seven games.😋

Edited June 27, 2019 by harmony

[devildavid]

To be precise, that's not a fact, it's an opinion ... an opinion not supported by the numbers.

 

Another approach would be to add up the current numerical Team Ratings at FiveThirtyEight:

 

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2019-mlb-predictions/

 

The American League East adds up to 7527 and the American League West 7561.

 

I entered this discussion only to offer that the fine teams in the American League East can pad their win totals playing in the same division as the Orioles and Blue Jays. That is well established by the numbers.

 

If the last-place Mariners and last-place Orioles swapped divisions this year, I suspect the top AL East teams would win fewer games and the top AL West teams would win more games. A swap of the fourth-place Blue Jays and the fourth-place Angels would likely move the needle in the same direction.

 

You are right. The numbers don't lie. The AL West is superior to the AL East so far this season.

[devildavid]

Perhaps I should quit bad-mouthing the Orioles, the only team to beat the Mariners in the M’s last seven games.

 

Well, they are terrible. How far they have fallen. They used to be able to give the Sox the occasional black eye. Now they are doormats.

[devildavid]

The Yankees don't scare me.

 

I'm hoping the trip to London throws the Yankees off. The Sox are already floundering, so it can't impact them as much.