The Mookie Betts Performance Thread

[moonslav59]

Especially since television was still in its early stages and televised commercials were only 8 years old at the time...

 

Players did do radio & newspaper ads and actually go to businesses to drum up crowds and consumers.

[jacksonianmarch]

They've changed the way the game is marketed to using social media and electronic media rather than having the players do meet and greets. It saves the players' time to focus on preparing for the games

[kenmeister]

If that is your opinion, then you should be for trading Betts, before all we get is a crappy draft pick after he refuses our QO.

 

When would you trade him?

 

Now?

At the deadline?

This winter?

2020 deadline?

 

(Might as well trade Porcello, too, right?)

 

If I could get a top starting pitcher for Betts, I'd make the deal now.

[jung]

While I have been rather plain about Mookie NOT being a $30M player, I just got out of the car, radio on, EEI coining Mookie as ......."Flukey Betts". Now I happen to think that is unfair. But there is blood in the water.

[Slasher9]

EEI coining Mookie as ......."Flukey Betts".

 

softlaw is alive and well.....

[Bellhorn04]

While I have been rather plain about Mookie NOT being a $30M player, I just got out of the car, radio on, EEI coining Mookie as ......."Flukey Betts". Now I happen to think that is unfair. But there is blood in the water.

 

That's disgusting, and anyone who calls him that is the scum of sports journalism.

[notin]

That's disgusting, and anyone who calls him that is the scum of sports journalism.

 

So.... you think it’s either Tony Massarotti or Gerry Callahan?

[Bellhorn04]

So.... you think it’s either Tony Massarotti or Gerry Callahan?

 

If not them, someone equally pathetic.

[jung]

So.... you think it’s either Tony Massarotti or Gerry Callahan?

 

LOL...I do get the sarcasm.

 

Well its not either and can't be at this time of day. Pretty nasty thing to say though and not really supportable. That said, if the sharks are biting there does tend to be blood in the water.

[YastrzemskI]

You know what? Mookie is going to be a free agent after next season. He hasn’t given any indication that he is interested in staying with the Red Sox. He has stated that he doesn’t even want to talk about it. Unlike Bogaerts, who has been vocal about how much he likes to play in Boston. If Mookie wants to play hardball.. you k ow what? Take a walk. Let’s beef up the farm system and go from there. There is no way that he will get what he wants here.. which is most likely a 300 million contract. F that.

[Swiharts Ghost]

You know what? Mookie is going to be a free agent after next season. He hasn’t given any indication that he is interested in staying with the Red Sox. He has stated that he doesn’t even want to talk about it. Unlike Bogaerts, who has been vocal about how much he likes to play in Boston. If Mookie wants to play hardball.. you k ow what? Take a walk. Let’s beef up the farm system and go from there. There is no way that he will get what he wants here.. which is most likely a 300 million contract. F that.

 

This about sums up where things are .

[vegasbob]

You know what? Mookie is going to be a free agent after next season. He hasn’t given any indication that he is interested in staying with the Red Sox. He has stated that he doesn’t even want to talk about it. Unlike Bogaerts, who has been vocal about how much he likes to play in Boston. If Mookie wants to play hardball.. you k ow what? Take a walk. Let’s beef up the farm system and go from there. There is no way that he will get what he wants here.. which is most likely a 300 million contract. F that.

 

Why is this concept so hard to accept ? It is a business. Betts will look to take 110% of what the world will offer him. he is streaky year to year. I thought JDM was the MVP of the 2018 WS season., not Betts. Sell Betts future while it has value to Boston and move on. BTW, I think this player is a dead end like Chris Sale and Benetendi will be.

[jung]

Why is this concept so hard to accept ? It is a business. Betts will look to take 110% of what the world will offer him. he is streaky year to year. I thought JDM was the MVP of the 2018 WS season., not Betts. Sell Betts future while it has value to Boston and move on. BTW, I think this player is a dead end like Chris Sale and Benetendi will be.

 

Yup....Yup is all I got. Yup is all that is necessary.

[devildavid]

Why is this concept so hard to accept ? It is a business. Betts will look to take 110% of what the world will offer him. he is streaky year to year. I thought JDM was the MVP of the 2018 WS season., not Betts. Sell Betts future while it has value to Boston and move on. BTW, I think this player is a dead end like Chris Sale and Benetendi will be.

 

Right now business is not as good for Mookie and his agent. Free agency may not bring the big offers if Mookie can't prove on the field that 2018 was not a huge outlier in his career. He is still a valuable player because of his skill set, but is he going to be able to parlay that into the big payout he may want? If the incentive of future free agency is not enough to motivate him to better performance than he is currently having, how many teams are going to want to break the bank for him?

[notin]

LOL...I do get the sarcasm.

 

Well its not either and can't be at this time of day. Pretty nasty thing to say though and not really supportable. That said, if the sharks are biting there does tend to be blood in the water.

 

Sarcasm? That’s the literal bottom of the sports journalism barrel...

[Bellhorn04]

Right now business is not as good for Mookie and his agent. Free agency may not bring the big offers if Mookie can't prove on the field that 2018 was not a huge outlier in his career. He is still a valuable player because of his skill set, but is he going to be able to parlay that into the big payout he may want? If the incentive of future free agency is not enough to motivate him to better performance than he is currently having, how many teams are going to want to break the bank for him?

 

Bryce Harper made out okay in spite of only having one really elite season. Mookie has every right to think he'll get at least as much as Harper and Machado.

[notin]

Right now business is not as good for Mookie and his agent. Free agency may not bring the big offers if Mookie can't prove on the field that 2018 was not a huge outlier in his career. He is still a valuable player because of his skill set, but is he going to be able to parlay that into the big payout he may want? If the incentive of future free agency is not enough to motivate him to better performance than he is currently having, how many teams are going to want to break the bank for him?

 

An MVP and multiple 7-8 fWAR seasons by age 28 should work out for him. Someone will pay. Don’t tell me a year you pegged the Padres as Machado’s new team...

[jung]

An MVP and multiple 7-8 fWAR seasons by age 28 should work out for him. Someone will pay. Don’t tell me a year you pegged the Padres as Machado’s new team...

 

Good for Mookie. Won't begrudge him his money as long as its not money we need for this team. If somebody is convinced to invest $30M per in a 5-9, 180lb OFer playing Manfred-ball, more power to them.

Edited July 4, 2019 by jung

[notin]

Good for Mookie. Won't begrudge him his money as long as its not money we need for this team. If somebody is convinced that investing $30M per in a 5-9, 180lb OFer playing Manfred-ball, more power to them.

 

You’ve gotten especially cranky this week.

 

I do think this team needs to explore Betts trades now. I know they won’t. Dombrowski is always up for trading a bunch of prospects and younger platers for an established star, but has very little experience doing the reverse...

[jung]

You’ve gotten especially cranky this week.

 

I do think this team needs to explore Betts trades now. I know they won’t. Dombrowski is always up for trading a bunch of prospects and younger platers for an established star, but has very little experience doing the reverse...

 

Agreed....I am actually willing to accept any of two possibilities:

- They let him play here to FA and hope there are enough pieces with him to make an actual run at another WS Championship in the short run

- Trade him for the future

 

I am simply unwilling to accept the notion that Mookie is a player you invest $30M per in though it is not hard to convince me that somebody will give him that.

[jacksonianmarch]

Agreed....I am actually willing to accept any of two possibilities:

- They let him play here to FA and hope there are enough pieces with him to make an actual run at another WS Championship in the short run

- Trade him for the future

 

I am simply unwilling to accept the notion that Mookie is a player you invest $30M per in though it is not hard to convince me that somebody will give him that.

 

He is going to get paid big money. Betts is a guy who OPS's .850 when he is slumping and plays GG OF defense while being a menace on the basepaths. His upside is he goes off and has another 1.000+OPS season and is a team altering player. He is going to get PAID big money. DD should offer him a good offer in the off season and if he balks, you move him. A year of Mookie at 27 is VERY valuable and may be able to net the sox enough to make a serious run at other players. If the sox can deal off Betts for a prospect ransom, then go out and sign Ozuna for far less than what Betts would have made in arb, they'd have made themselves a little worse, but would have added flexibility to make a bigger deal for a younger, cost controlled player, or pitcher. Maybe the sox deal Betts, use the parts to get Castillo from the Reds and sign Ozuna and roll from there?

[S5Dewey]

Here's an upside to trading Mookie to a team that will give him a $30M/year extension. If Mookie is allowed to go to FA he can sign anyplace whereas in a trade the Sox can say where he's going. That can keep him away from the MFY. I believe the Y's would be all-in on Mookie because he's better any any position player the Yankees have now.

 

But I'm sure Jax hasn't even thought of that.

[Bellhorn04]

Here's an upside to trading Mookie to a team that will give him a $30M/year extension. If Mookie is allowed to go to FA he can sign anyplace whereas in a trade the Sox can say where he's going. That can keep him away from the MFY. I believe the Y's would be all-in on Mookie because he's better any any position player the Yankees have now.

 

But I'm sure Jax hasn't even thought of that.

 

At this point it seems unlikely Mookie will agree to an extension with anyone, unless it's a truly absurd offer.

[S5Dewey]

At this point it seems unlikely Mookie will agree to an extension with anyone, unless it's a truly absurd offer.

 

Ya think? I can see some team being willing to sign him in the off season and giving him a big big (big as in "$25M+ for 10 years) extension. He may look at Pedey's situation and realize that injuries happen but contracts are forever.

[dgalehouse]

Mookie still has an excellent chance of landing a big contract . There is a rather small pool of teams that are in a position and are willing to spend big , but it only takes one to get it done . I still think it will be Boston.

[jacksonianmarch]

Here's an upside to trading Mookie to a team that will give him a $30M/year extension. If Mookie is allowed to go to FA he can sign anyplace whereas in a trade the Sox can say where he's going. That can keep him away from the MFY. I believe the Y's would be all-in on Mookie because he's better any any position player the Yankees have now.

 

But I'm sure Jax hasn't even thought of that.

 

Judge is a better player than Betts. Judge is a 0.049 WAR per game player at the big league level, Betts is a .045 WAR per game player (pretty close). Judge has broken a wrist on a pitch (not under his control) and pulled an oblique (we shall see if this becomes a trend). Betts has been remarkably healthy for a small man playing with such skills, and as we saw with Pedroia, that wont last. I would take Judge over the next 5 years over any OFer not named Mike Trout, IMO. Judge also has the higher upside due to his insane power. Betts is a great player, no doubt, and I am sure the Yanks would be interested, but we will still have Stanton, Judge, Torres, Voit, Andujar, Hicks, and Sanchez under control when Betts hits the open market and I would presume we would prioritize re-signing a guy like Lemahieu over spending $30+ mil on Betts. If we were to spend $30+ mil on someone, it would be a pitcher.

[Bellhorn04]

Judge is a better player than Betts. Judge is a 0.049 WAR per game player at the big league level, Betts is a .045 WAR per game player (pretty close). Judge has broken a wrist on a pitch (not under his control) and pulled an oblique (we shall see if this becomes a trend). Betts has been remarkably healthy for a small man playing with such skills, and as we saw with Pedroia, that wont last.

 

Pedroia played second base and got ripped up on the kind of play that is particularly dangerous for second basemen.

[jacksonianmarch]

Pedroia played second base and got ripped up on the kind of play that is particularly dangerous for second basemen.

 

Betts is more of a base stealer, so he is putting his body on the line in a different and equally dangerous way. There is a fact to my point, though. Small guys aren't the one's who play at top level for long.

[Bellhorn04]

Betts is more of a base stealer, so he is putting his body on the line in a different and equally dangerous way. There is a fact to my point, though. Small guys aren't the one's who play at top level for long.

 

Yaz was about the same size as Mookie.

[S5Dewey]

Pedroia played second base and got ripped up on the kind of play that is particularly dangerous for second basemen.

 

Especially when there's a cheap-shot dirty player coming at him to break up the DP.