CC Sabathia to retire at season’s end

[jacksonianmarch]

CC will conclude his career with his 19th season in the bigs. Hopefully he goes out hoisting the WS trophy

[Slasher9]

will he pull a jeter and make the team wear #52 on the side of their hats for the final month of the season?

these goodbye tours are f***ing lame.

[dgalehouse]

The Dunkin Donuts on River Ave . may go out of business.

[jacksonianmarch]

The interesting question for CC is whether he is a HOFer. 3000K club will help and if he can be healthy he will pass HOFers Smoltz and Gibson to 14th all time. 250+wins. His win total will be right around Pettitte, but Andy was a Steady Eddy good performer (and admitted PED user) where CC did have a HOF peak from 2006-2011 where he compiled 35.1WAR and won a Cy Young with 4 other top 5 CY finishes and 6 All Star games. CC's career finish where he turned into a control artist and expert of the low exit velocity contact prolonged him enough to be in the equation and likely get him in. My guess, though, is he is not a first ballot guy

[iortiz]

Either he ends up injured and/or with an atrocious season. He’s done.

 

Said that, he was a very good pitcher.

[BillyWilliams]

will he pull a jeter and make the team wear #52 on the side of their hats for the final month of the season?

these goodbye tours are f***ing lame.

 

But big papi's was awesome, right?

 

Did the sox all drink milkshakes to honor him the last month of the season?

[BillyWilliams]

Either he ends up injured and/or with an atrocious season. He’s done.

 

Said that, he was a very good pitcher.

 

He had a better ERA than many on the sox staff last year..........

[notin]

He had a better ERA than many on the sox staff last year..........

 

 

It is truly amazing how everyone on the Yankees was better than all their counterparts on the Sox (except Sale, but he is clearly injured and his career is over), yet somehow the Sox won the division by 8 games and then won the World Series...

[jacksonianmarch]

We got 100 starts out of our current top 5. You guys got 124 starts out of your current top 5. That’s about all you need to know

[Northern Star]

Nothing worse than players announcing their retirement before the season starts. Way to make it all about you.

 

I think at worst case he's a borderline candidate, and he probably gets in eventually, but not first ballot.

[notin]

We got 100 starts out of our current top 5. You guys got 124 starts out of your current top 5. That’s about all you need to know

 

 

Well we were talking about 2017. The Sox did get 132 starts from their top 5, but the Yankees got 134 from theirs.

 

In 2018, the numbers do favor the Sox. But your premise also operates on the assumption that all starters and starts are equal . The big reason for the low total from NY was the 6 starts from Jordan Montgomery, the #5 guy in the Bronx. The Sox lost Chris Sale for essentially the second half. While Sale did make 27 starts, after the break, he only made 7 and had his IP count reduced to only 29 innings.

 

 

Is losing Montgomery for a full season equal to losing Sale for a half season? For some perspective, Jonathan Holder threw 27 IP for the Yankees in the second half. We got roughly the same IP from our ace as you got from the #5 guy in your bullpen...

Edited February 15, 2019 by notin

[jacksonianmarch]

We got a start from Holder, a 24 game s*** sample from Gray, s*** from German, 4 ok starts from Loaisiga and a middling effort from Lynn. Those theoretically go away. We have Happ for the whole season. We have Paxton for a whole season. And we have Montgomery set to return for the final two months. Our opening day 6 and 7 are rookies with big stuff who are now a year more mature. Last year, we lost Tanaka for a month, had JMont already on the shelf and were getting home implosions from Gray AT THE SAME TIME. Yes, I expect some missed starts. Heck, we may even lose a pitcher for the year. But I highly doubt we’ll see two long injuries and an implosion at the same time.

[moonslav59]

We got 100 starts out of our current top 5. You guys got 124 starts out of your current top 5. That’s about all you need to know

 

That's very deceptive.

 

Pom was clearly in our top 5 last spring. Wright was our 6th starter.

 

You guys have Paxton, instead of Lynn and Gray.

[moonslav59]

Well we were talking about 2017. The Sox did get 132 starts from their top 5, but the Yankees got 134 from theirs.

 

In 2018, the numbers do favor the Sox. But your premise also operates on the assumption that all starters and starts are equal . The big reason for the low total from NY was the 6 starts from Jordan Montgomery, the #5 guy in the Bronx. The Sox lost Chris Sale for essentially the second half. While Sale did make 27 starts, after the break, he only made 7 and had his IP count reduced to only 29 innings.

 

 

Is losing Montgomery for a full season equal to losing Sale for a half season? For some perspective, Jonathan Holder threw 27 IP for the Yankees in the second half. We got roughly the same IP from our ace as you got from the #5 guy in your bullpen...

 

Pomeranz was a top 5 starter to start 2018.

 

Our preseason top 5 and 2018 GS'd

 

27 Sale

30 Price

33 Porcello

11 Pomeranz

23 ERod

Total: 124

4 Wright (6th starter

Total: 128 from our top 6 starters on opening day.

 

Yankees

32 Severino

27 Tanaka

23 Gray

29 Sabathia

6 Montgomery

Total: 117

11 German (6th starter)

128 from top 6.

 

[jacksonianmarch]

I was showing you how many starts your projected 2019 starters gave you in 2018 vs our 2019 starters.

[Slasher9]

But big papi's was awesome, right?

 

Did the sox all drink milkshakes to honor him the last month of the season?

 

no. and if you werent banned during that time you would have seen my multitude of posts eviscerating papi for having a farewell tour....

the only positive thing i said about it was at least he didnt make the team wear different uniforms to "honor" him for a month....

[Slasher9]

It is truly amazing how everyone on the Yankees was better than all their counterparts on the Sox (except Sale, but he is clearly injured and his career is over), yet somehow the Sox won the division by 8 games and then won the World Series...

 

hahahahaha. BOOM.

[notin]

Nothing worse than players announcing their retirement before the season starts. Way to make it all about you.

 

I think at worst case he's a borderline candidate, and he probably gets in eventually, but not first ballot.

 

 

I don’t think CC gets the same type of retirement your Jeter and Rivera got. But I agree with your Cooperstown assessment...

[BillyWilliams]

It is truly amazing how everyone on the Yankees was better than all their counterparts on the Sox (except Sale, but he is clearly injured and his career is over), yet somehow the Sox won the division by 8 games and then won the World Series...

 

I must have missed the post where I stated that the Yanks were better than all their counterparts on the sox.

 

I merely pointed out that CC had a better ERA than many sox pitchers last year in response to iortiz claiming he was done.

[BillyWilliams]

no. and if you werent banned during that time you would have seen my multitude of posts eviscerating papi for having a farewell tour....

the only positive thing i said about it was at least he didnt make the team wear different uniforms to "honor" him for a month....

 

And neither Jeter or Mo "made" the team wear anything. The Yankees decided to do that, not Jeter or Mo.

 

Not that I see that big of a deal by wearing a patch.

 

Maybe the sox should have worn McFlurry patches to honor papi, given his penchant for "milkshakes"

[notin]

And neither Jeter or Mo "made" the team wear anything. The Yankees decided to do that, not Jeter or Mo.

 

Not that I see that big of a deal by wearing a patch.

 

Maybe the sox should have worn McFlurry patches to honor papi, given his penchant for "milkshakes"

 

 

You really like to obsess over that, which is odd given the starring roles of the Yankees in both the Mitchell Report and the Biogenesis scandal.

 

Oh wait. Those were biased against the Yankees or whatever, and you like to pick and choose your sources. Probably based on whether or not they involve Yankees...

[BillyWilliams]

You really like to obsess over that, which is odd given the starring roles of the Yankees in both the Mitchell Report and the Biogenesis scandal.

 

Oh wait. Those were biased against the Yankees or whatever, and you like to pick and choose your sources. Probably based on whether or not they involve Yankees...

 

Please point out my posts where I said any of that, I'll wait.........

[Bellhorn04]

Please point out my posts where I said any of that, I'll wait.........

 

The real question is why you keep mentioning milkshakes. It's troll s***, needless to say.

[BillyWilliams]

The real question is why you keep mentioning milkshakes. It's troll s***, needless to say.

 

Well, when a poster takes shots at players from my team I will respond as well. Pretty simple.

[Slasher9]

And neither Jeter or Mo "made" the team wear anything. The Yankees decided to do that, not Jeter or Mo.

 

Not that I see that big of a deal by wearing a patch.

 

Maybe the sox should have worn McFlurry patches to honor papi, given his penchant for "milkshakes"

 

jeter 100% demanded the team wear the #2 patch on the hats. this is fact. it doesnt matter if you think its a big deal or not. the fact is that due to the retirement tour distractions and the baby dik attitude of your former ss the yankees wilted that season (14-15 with the jeter hat) and didnt make the postseason back to back years for the first time 2 decades....

[BillyWilliams]

jeter 100% demanded the team wear the #2 patch on the hats. this is fact. it doesnt matter if you think its a big deal or not. the fact is that due to the retirement tour distractions and the baby dik attitude of your former ss the yankees wilted that season (14-15 with the jeter hat) and didnt make the postseason back to back years for the first time 2 decades....

 

No, that is not a fact. The Yankees decided to do it.

[Slasher9]

No, that is not a fact. The Yankees decided to do it.

 

at Jeters insistence. i forgot...you dont live in the NYC area. this was YUUUUGE talking points on WFAN whilst it was going on....

but yes, your statement is true as well. the yankees decided to do it. but jeter told them to.

[BillyWilliams]

at Jeters insistence. i forgot...you dont live in the NYC area. this was YUUUUGE talking points on WFAN whilst it was going on....

but yes, your statement is true as well. the yankees decided to do it. but jeter told them to.

 

Any proof of that?