Do the Yanks create a cliff this off-season

[moonslav59]

We also could just re-sign JA Happ

 

There's no way you guys reset the luxury tax just to keep Happ. They've had their eye on this FA class for a while.

[Carpin]

There's no way you guys reset the luxury tax just to keep Happ. They've had their eye on this FA class for a while.

 

You're right, the goal was Harper y/o Machado, but that was before the Stanton trade and Andujar/Torres seasons, I'm not saying wo won't be players for those two guys (or some others) but the urgency is not that big anymore

[moonslav59]

You're right, the goal was Harper y/o Machado, but that was before the Stanton trade and Andujar/Torres seasons, I'm not saying wo won't be players for those two guys (or some others) but the urgency is not that big anymore

 

It won't be out of urgency. It will be the best way to make you guys the favorites next year and beyond for a while. You guys can probably get two big names and still stay under the second penalty line ($20M over).

[jacksonianmarch]

We can get two big names and stay under the lux tax in its entirety.

 

I agree with you slav, we don't "have" to get a guy like Machado or Harper. But the fact that we can easily slip them under the cap and into our lineup makes us really want to. I also think we can get these guys with lower AAV's yet higher payouts. Maybe Harper is looking for $35 mil a year and he gets that in the first three seasons with a buyout and a 7 year deal at $25 mil after that if he gets hurt. 10 year deal $280 mil total, but $105 mil comes years 1-3 with an opt out. Harper sees $35 mil a year, but the AAV is only $28 mil per year.

 

If we decline all options and let all FA's walk, our team will be at around $140 mil after medicals and 40 man add ons with the following team

 

C- Sanchez, Romine

1B- Voit, Bird

2B- Torres

SS- Gregorius

3B- Andujar

LF- Stanton, Frazier, Ellsbury

CF- Hicks

RF- Judge

DH- Stanton, Sanchez

 

SP1- Severino

SP2- Tanaka

SP3- Gray

SP4- Loaisiga, King, Sheffield, German

SP5- Loaisiga, King, Sheffield, German

 

CL- Chapman

SU- Betances

MR- Kahnle

MR- Holder

MR- Green

MR- Cole

 

Post ASB return for Montgomery

 

The team will be good, but we need to upgrade the pitching. Maybe we re-sign Happ. Maybe we get into a big bidding war for Kershaw (I'd rather not, tbth, as his velocity has dipped big time). Maybe we sign Morton (he wants to be close to his family in Delaware). Maybe we get Keuchel. Maybe we deal for Bumgarner or DeGrom or Thor? Who knows, but we will need at least one addition to the rotation, probably two with Gray moving on to greener pastures. Assuming we don't sign a marquee guy like Kershaw, we will likely spend at most $30 mil on the rotation. With the cap starting at $205 mil in 2019, that leaves $35 mil to burn. That would get us a marquee name while still keeping us out of the lux tax, even though we wont need to worry about that as we reset

[moonslav59]

We can get two big names and stay under the lux tax in its entirety.

 

I agree with you slav, we don't "have" to get a guy like Machado or Harper. But the fact that we can easily slip them under the cap and into our lineup makes us really want to. I also think we can get these guys with lower AAV's yet higher payouts. Maybe Harper is looking for $35 mil a year and he gets that in the first three seasons with a buyout and a 7 year deal at $25 mil after that if he gets hurt. 10 year deal $280 mil total, but $105 mil comes years 1-3 with an opt out. Harper sees $35 mil a year, but the AAV is only $28 mil per year.

 

If we decline all options and let all FA's walk, our team will be at around $140 mil after medicals and 40 man add ons with the following team

 

C- Sanchez, Romine

1B- Voit, Bird

2B- Torres

SS- Gregorius

3B- Andujar

LF- Stanton, Frazier, Ellsbury

CF- Hicks

RF- Judge

DH- Stanton, Sanchez

 

SP1- Severino

SP2- Tanaka

SP3- Gray

SP4- Loaisiga, King, Sheffield, German

SP5- Loaisiga, King, Sheffield, German

 

CL- Chapman

SU- Betances

MR- Kahnle

MR- Holder

MR- Green

MR- Cole

 

Post ASB return for Montgomery

 

The team will be good, but we need to upgrade the pitching. Maybe we re-sign Happ. Maybe we get into a big bidding war for Kershaw (I'd rather not, tbth, as his velocity has dipped big time). Maybe we sign Morton (he wants to be close to his family in Delaware). Maybe we get Keuchel. Maybe we deal for Bumgarner or DeGrom or Thor? Who knows, but we will need at least one addition to the rotation, probably two with Gray moving on to greener pastures. Assuming we don't sign a marquee guy like Kershaw, we will likely spend at most $30 mil on the rotation. With the cap starting at $205 mil in 2019, that leaves $35 mil to burn. That would get us a marquee name while still keeping us out of the lux tax, even though we wont need to worry about that as we reset

 

I hate to say it, but that's a solid core to start with.

 

What if you sign Machado, Kershaw, and Happ? You might be at $225M. The second penalty line is $226M next year, I believe, so they'd still be $21M under the max line.

 

1. Hicks CF

2. Stanton RF

3. Machado 3B

4. Judge LF

5. Andujar DH

6. Gregorius SS

7. Torres 2B

8. Voit-Bird 1B

9. Sanchez C

 

 

[jacksonianmarch]

That's the crazy thing, every possibility is open. We could bring in Machado and Harper with Happ and say FTW, we are gonna slug our way to a title. We have the prospects to deal for Thor, DeGrom or Bumgarner. We could go out and sign Kershaw. We could make some tweaks and roll with a team largely intact coming off a 95 win season.

[moonslav59]

That's the crazy thing, every possibility is open. We could bring in Machado and Harper with Happ and say FTW, we are gonna slug our way to a title. We have the prospects to deal for Thor, DeGrom or Bumgarner. We could go out and sign Kershaw. We could make some tweaks and roll with a team largely intact coming off a 95 win season.

 

Or, sign Kershaw, Morton, Happ and Britton and let the kids slug it out on offense.

[Carpin]

I hate to say it, but that's a solid core to start with.

 

What if you sign Machado, Kershaw, and Happ? You might be at $225M. The second penalty line is $226M next year, I believe, so they'd still be $21M under the max line.

 

1. Hicks CF

2. Stanton RF

3. Machado 3B

4. Judge LF

5. Andujar DH

6. Gregorius SS

7. Torres 2B

8. Voit-Bird 1B

9. Sanchez C

 

 

 

 

Another option would be deal Andujar for a TOTR (Bumgarner, Thor, deGrom, etc), if he wins the ROY it will be a major piece in any trade, he already demonstrated that his bat is for real and will be above average in the ML, at the same time he's still young and athletic enough to improve his defense in a less stressful environment. Then sign Machado to fill 3B, his above average defense at the position would be great and we all know about his bat.

 

Don't get me wrong, I'd hate to lose Andujar but for a "game changer" TOTR pitcher it'w worth it.

[jacksonianmarch]

Plus minus. Our issues in the second half aren’t due to our rotation. Our offense hit the shits at the wrong time. A lot of that has to do with Sanchez being out or sucking and losing Judge for a couple months. That being said, subtracting a 23 yr old rookie who just annihilates baseballs wouldn’t be a great idea.

 

Also, Andujar’s defense has been atrocious, but it’s not set in stone. He moves well, he just needs to refine his footwork. He’s got a cannon from 3b, he just needs to work on his accuracy. He makes the dazzling plays, as with a lot of kids, it’s the routine ones he can get sloppy on. We have enough in the system to get one big acquisition on the trade market without hitting our big league roster. I’m talking an ace, not a mid rotation guy or a good player. I’d rather go that route and then let the younger guys fill in over the next couple seasons.

[Carpin]

I completely agree with you in Andujar, but I doubt any team would give that type of pitcher with only prospects, our farm has depth but lack a "sexy prospect" which can be the centerpiece of the deal, for example Torres last year or the Moncada from the Sox when they got Sale. If it's only prospects it take all the depth Cashman built over the years.

 

Imagine Bumgarner, he still has a 12M option for 2019, with an extension of something like 5/130 the AAV would be like 23M, without the extension I'd refuse to give a major piece for him. A similar scenario for deGrom and some others

[greenmonster24]

Question is do you want give 10 plus years at 30 million which Harper and Machardo will want. Not many 10 years work out great and you have Stanton and Judge and homwruns not a problem just broke mlb record. I think pitching is where all money go and upgrade first base. Imagine Hasmer.400 bop with judge and Stanton and Sanchez. I think about how he stayed away from Cano 10 years and look at how great that work out and how bad after Arod opt out giving 10 years and you finally getting near end of Ellsbury contract. You win 100 games upgrade rotation you be set for next 5 years. Top of rotation starter all you need and if you create hole look for Castro type fill in

[jacksonianmarch]

Not sure about all of that post, but the reason for my thread here is are we going to strap ourselves so heavily this offseason that we will run into a problem bringing back our core players? A ten year deal for anyone will definitely do that unless it’s clearly geared for an opt out

[BillyWilliams]

There's no need on the Yanks' behalf to go ten years for either machado or harper.

 

The Yanks' needs are primarily on the starting pitching side and that's where they should focus.

[Carpin]

There's no need on the Yanks' behalf to go ten years for either machado or harper.

 

The Yanks' needs are primarily on the starting pitching side and that's where they should focus.

 

I agree, but who in the FA market is that "game changer"? I don't see any

[Bellhorn04]

I agree, but who in the FA market is that "game changer"? I don't see any

 

Adding two guys that are well above average could be as much of a game changer as adding one Cy Young candidate.

[BillyWilliams]

I agree, but who in the FA market is that "game changer"? I don't see any

 

Morton, Keuchel and Corbin would be atop my list.

 

Doesn't look like Happ for a full season would be a bad idea either.

[BillyWilliams]

Adding two guys that are well above average could be as much of a game changer as adding one Cy Young candidate.

 

Agreed

[redsoxrules]

I hope Cashman goes nuts and pays over 300M to get overrated Harper

[Carpin]

Morton, Keuchel and Corbin would be atop my list.

 

Doesn't look like Happ for a full season would be a bad idea either.

 

Those three are good options, do you think they will be able to take us over the top and compete with the Astros rotation?