Do we need an offensive catcher?

[mvp 78]

My eyes show he sucks, but the numbers show he's ok in the OF, but I'll be consistent and go with those that have large enough sample sizes:

 

SS: -13.4 (2091 innings) -42 DRS

2B: -9.7 (729 innings) -15 DRS

3B: -7.1 (1902 innings) -5 DRS

OF: +17.0 (322 innings) -3 DRS

 

He sucks.

 

 

 

But your eyes are so bad that you need to post everything in bold? How can your eye test be that accurate, moon? Stats win.

[moonslav59]

But your eyes are so bad that you need to post everything in bold? How can your eye test be that accurate, moon? Stats win.

 

Big screen TV- small screen computer.

 

[mvp 78]

Big screen TV- small screen computer.

 

 

We should start a GoFundMe for a new screen for you!

[moonslav59]

We should start a GoFundMe for a new screen for you!

 

Maybe for Christmas.

 

I'm too damn cheap.

[Spudboy]

Where the heck did you get these numbers? They must be someone else's. For one thing Holt only has 286 innings at SS.

 

lol

[BlackSunshine12]

The Red Sox have multiple batters in their everyday lineup who aren't hitting well, need to at some point replace a couple of them and catcher is as good a place as any to start.

[Natick to NC]

Mitch is Amazing this year

[Natick to NC]

Theeee JD Martinez Show has begun !!!! En fuego

[Natick to NC]

LAZER show

[Natick to NC]

Great start ...shut em down Rick

[moonslav59]

Maybe Leon will have a better season than 2016.

 

"Fat Sandy" telling Natick to sit the hell down!

[Natick to NC]

Maybe Leon will have a better season than 2016.

 

"Fat Sandy" telling Natick to sit the hell down!

 

I'd welcome it with a joyous heart and forgiving demeanor.

[moonslav59]

We now have an "Offensive Catcher".

[moonslav59]

Team Catcher OPS

 

.889 Pitt

.870 NYY

.772 LAD

.770 SFG

.765 ATL

.762 CC

.759 HOU

.740 TBR

.739 LAA

.722 DET

.704 MIA

12th Place Leon .694

.693 CIN

.685 KCR

.682 TOR

.681 MLB Average

.669 AL Average

.664 CWS 15rh in MLB (the mean team catcher OPS)

 

[Natick to NC]

Team Catcher OPS

 

.889 Pitt

.870 NYY

.772 LAD

.770 SFG

.765 ATL

.762 CC

.759 HOU

.740 TBR

.739 LAA

.722 DET

.704 MIA

12th Place Leon .694

.693 CIN

.685 KCR

.682 TOR

.681 MLB Average

.669 AL Average

.664 CWS 15rh in MLB (the mean team catcher OPS)

 

 

Have to retract my view on Sandy for sure ...Sandy Leon has been good the past two weeks .....looks like Blake got a couple hits today and scored a run ? Playing 1b ? Nice job Blake .

Edited May 30, 2018 by Natick to NC

[moonslav59]

Have to retract my view on Sandy for sure ...Sandy Leon has been good the past two weeks .....looks like Blake got a couple hits today and scored a run ? Playing 1b ? Nice job Blake .

 

Blake finally passed Vaz in OPS, but with so few PAs, he's maybe one oh for 4 away from passing him on the downturn.

[Natick to NC]

Blake finally passed Vaz in OPS, but with so few PAs, he's maybe one oh for 4 away from passing him on the downturn.

 

Sure ....what wver you say Moon ....Sandy almost hitting his weight now ??? 222 scary number ....He's truly a juggernaut .

Edited May 31, 2018 by Natick to NC

[Hugh2]

any one of these guys could have a 3 hit night and skyrocket past the other one right now. Sox should have given Blake more developmental time behind the plate, he'd have a golden opportunity right now.

[Bellhorn04]

Sure ....what wver you say Moon ....Sandy almost hitting his weight now ??? 222 scary number ....He's truly a juggernaut .

 

Try 254.

[moonslav59]

any one of these guys could have a 3 hit night and skyrocket past the other one right now. Sox should have given Blake more developmental time behind the plate, he'd have a golden opportunity right now.

 

I seriously doubt Sox management would have given up on Swihart's catcher development, if they really fely he showed any signs of improvement to the point of projecting to decency on defense behind the plate.

 

I'm not saying team managements never make mistakes, and maybe this was one of them, but Swihart has been given chances. He's clung to a roster spot this year out of management giving him yet another chance to re-invent himself.

 

Had he showed growth, he'd have been kept at catcher. It's not like Leon and Vaz are that great that anyone would say a promising catcher was blocked.

[moonslav59]

Try 254.

 

...and on the rise.

[Hugh2]

I seriously doubt Sox management would have given up on Swihart's catcher development, if they really fely he showed any signs of improvement to the point of projecting to decency on defense behind the plate.

 

I'm not saying team managements never make mistakes, and maybe this was one of them, but Swihart has been given chances. He's clung to a roster spot this year out of management giving him yet another chance to re-invent himself.

 

Had he showed growth, he'd have been kept at catcher. It's not like Leon and Vaz are that great that anyone would say a promising catcher was blocked.

 

They had Vasquez and Leon both playing well, and they thought Swiharts bat was too good to give up so they gave him reps elsewhere. Swihart was still developing but he was a top 25 prospect in all of baseball at one point for a reason.

 

I think the Sox screwed up his development, but lets hope the book isn't closed on him just yet.

[Natick to NC]

Try 254.

 

He's hitting his weight

[Natick to NC]

...and on the rise.[/quote

 

Lol Sandy Leon ? Come on ....think we know what happens with Sandy Leon ...he will go OFer 21 in 5 4. 3. 2. 1 ....Id upgrade him in a heartbeat if at all remotely possible ....bet ya the guy ends up with a 222 Ave....with 5 HR and a thousand runs stranded .The juggernaut.

Edited May 31, 2018 by Natick to NC

[moonslav59]

They had Vasquez and Leon both playing well, and they thought Swiharts bat was too good to give up so they gave him reps elsewhere. Swihart was still developing but he was a top 25 prospect in all of baseball at one point for a reason.

 

I think the Sox screwed up his development, but lets hope the book isn't closed on him just yet.

 

Nobody gives up on a catcher who shows promising offense.

 

They moved on for a reason. The fact that he barely played at all while our catchers were hitting .450 combined tells the whole story.

 

Sox management has no confidence in his defensive abilities. They have kept him in the system in hopes his offense improves and he can become a decent utility player.

 

He could hit .350 this year, and they'll still not move him to catcher going forward.

 

He's been given a chance to improve his 1B defense and maybe LF or 3B at some point. His bat is going to keep him around or send him packing.

[moonslav59]

...and on the rise.[/quote

 

Lol Sandy Leon ? Come on ....think we know what happens with Sandy Leon ...he will go OFer 21 in 5 4. 3. 2. 1 ....Id upgrade him in a heartbeat if at all remotely possible ....bet ya the guy ends up with a 222 Ave....with 5 HR and a thousand runs stranded .The juggernaut.

 

He had an .854 OPS with 4 times this year's PAs back in 2016. It's possible he'll have a long hot streak like he did back then.

 

I know you hope he flops, and maybe he will, but I'll keep hoping for the best and enjoying his superior play behind the plate- where it matters.

[mvp 78]

Sure ....what wver you say Moon ....Sandy almost hitting his weight now ??? 222 scary number ....He's truly a juggernaut .

 

Whereas Blake Swihart is hitting my weight after a weekend of only eating pizza and ice cream.

[Bellhorn04]

Whereas Blake Swihart is hitting my weight after a weekend of only eating pizza and ice cream.

 

Blake dreams of being as good as Sandy Leon.

[Spudboy]

Blake dreams of being as good as Sandy Leon.

 

Hmm. Defensively, yes.

 

I am of the opinion that Leon is the Sox best defensive catcher. I am confident that others here will immediately post data to disprove the accuracy of my opinion.

 

I think Swihart has a better "hit tool" than Leon but he has not had much of an opportunity to demonstrate this in recent years.

 

I still believe that Swi will be dealt.

[Bellhorn04]

Hmm. Defensively, yes.

 

I am of the opinion that Leon is the Sox best defensive catcher. I am confident that others here will immediately post data to disprove the accuracy of my opinion.

 

I think Swihart has a better "hit tool" than Leon but he has not had much of an opportunity to demonstrate this in recent years.

 

I still believe that Swi will be dealt.

 

I was just messing with Natick.