Martinez vs Hosmer vs Santana

[moonslav59]

I honestly don’t know what point you are trying to make with this post.

 

I understand this post very well.

[a700hitter]

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Plus, I dispute your claim that Duda's Hrs come in bunches more than other power hitters with 25+ HR power.

 

JD Martinez had 17 Hrs in SEPT and over half his Hrs in the last 2 months of 2017.

 

Duda's Hrs were bunched in 2015, but not so much in 2014 or 2017.

You are disputing a claim that I never made.

[a700hitter]

i understand this post very well.

lol!

[a700hitter]

Forget the HRs. Let's look at OPS by month:

(Only months with 60+ PAs are shown)

 

Duda:

2014: .773> .709>.956>1.006>.708>.841

2015: .915>.948>.576>.749>.976>.961

2016: .743>.704 (Injured)

2017: .931>.927>.896>.901>.702>.622

(Just 2 months out of 20 below .702.)

(6 months below .740.)

(11 months above .840)

 

Moreland:

2014: .710>.656 (Injured)

2015: .849>.839>.998>.643>.719>.794

2016: .700>.799>.700>.799>.874>.689

2017: .837>.853>.762> .435>1.061>.667

(5 out of 20 months below .702)

(8 months below .740)

(4 months above .840)

OBP

 

Duda:

2014: .333>.319>.380>.396>.291>381

2015: .427>.366>.312>.260>.389>.386

2016: .294>.300 (injury)

2017: .360>.378>.352>.333>.302>.230

 

Moreland:

2014: .307>.302 (injury)

2015: .393>.310>.362>.282>.330>.315

2016: .292>.320>.293>.320>.341>.290

2017: .360>.388>.300>.264>.390>.260

 

Putting them side by side from worst to best...

 

Duda/ Moreland

 

.230 .260

.260 .264

.291 .282

.294 .290

.300 .292

.302 .293

.312 .300

.319 .302

 

.333 .307

.333 .310

.352 .315

.360 .320

.366 .320

.378 .330

.380 .341

.381 .360

 

.386 .362

.389 .388

.396 .390

.427 .393

 

(Pretty close in the bottom 8 and top 4, but the middle 8 shows a significant differential between Moreland and Duda. This is OBP, not power or OPS.)

 

If I posted Morrison's ups and downs, you'd see so many lows you'd take the risk on Duda's hips on a one year deal..

 

 

Who are you trying to overwhelm with these stats... yourself? You would not mind getting Duda. That is pretty clear. I don’t want him that is pretty clear. Your numbers have established and proved nothing except that you spend a lot of your time at your laptop looking for all sorts of parsed stats. Edited November 26, 2017 by a700hitter

[moonslav59]

2017 he just had a 2 1/2 month brutal slump.

 

Which I mentioned, although I'm not sure I'd call a .702 August "brutal", and the extra half month you added is just plain false.

 

He ended July going 5 for 15 with 4 Hrs.

 

From July 14th to July 31st, he went 17 for 58 (.293 BA/.369 OBP) with 7 BBs and 6 HRs. If that's a "slump" sign me up for 12 half month slumps like that!!!

 

Do you just make this stuff up, or am I missing the "context" or "misunderstanding" your positions again?

 

 

He also had a very steady and great 4, which is more than any Sox player can claim to have done this year.

 

I've seen much worse than his .622 September as well, but clearly he slumped to end the 2017 season. That is worrisome to say the least, but we're talkinga bout a $6M/1 year risk. When you compare the risk involved with signing Hosmer (someone who has a zero to negaive fWAR in half of his last 6 seasons) or one-year wonder Morrison, or even $60M/4 for Sanatana, the risk seems minimal.

[a700hitter]

Which I mentioned, although I'm not sure I'd call a .702 August "brutal", and the extra half month you added is just plain false.

 

He ended July going 5 for 15 with 4 Hrs.

 

From July 14th to July 31st, he went 17 for 58 (.293 BA/.369 OBP) with 7 BBs and 6 HRs. If that's a "slump" sign me up for 12 half month slumps like that!!!

 

Do you just make this stuff up, or am I missing the "context" or "misunderstanding" you positions?

 

 

He also had a very steady and great 4, which is more than any Sox player can claim to have done this year.

 

I've seen much worse than his .622 September as well, but clearly he slumped to end the 2017 season. That is worrisome to say the least, but we're talkinga bout a $6M/1 year risk. When you compare the risk involved with signing Hosmer (someone who has a zero to negaive fWAR in half of his last 6 seasons) or one-year wonder Morrison, or even $60M/4 for Sanatana, the risk seems minimal.

Okay a brutal 2 month slump. I stand corrected on the half month. It was a brutal slump. The team that acquired him to give their offense wasn’t playing him everyday. I am sure that is not what they had in mind when they acquired him.

[moonslav59]

Who are you trying to overwhelm with these stats... yourself? You would not mind getting Duda. That is pretty clear. I don’t want him that is pretty clear. Your numbers have established and proved nothing except that you spend a lot of your time at your laptop looking for all sorts of parsed stats.

 

Keep talking to your Met fan for your brilliant insights.

 

You have been proven wrong too many times to count. It must be why you hate data so much.

 

The numbers show Duda brings much more to the table than HRs. He blows Moreland away in OBP, which will far outweigh the defensive upgrade.

 

BTW, Moreland is slower than Duda (not that it matter much for 1Bmen).

 

2014-2017 BsR index

-5.0 Duda (12th out of 31 1Bmen with 1500+ PAs)

-7.4 Moreland (19th/31)

 

[a700hitter]

I understand this post very well.

You don’t know what point you were trying to make either. LOL!

[moonslav59]

Okay a brutal 2 month slump. I stand corrected on the half month. It was a brutal slump. The team that acquired him to give their offense wasn’t playing him everyday. I am sure that is not what they had in mind when they acquired him.

 

If .702 is "brutal", what's .435 (Moreland's worst month this season)?

 

.435 even makes Duda's .622 September look like MVP material.

 

Glad to see you can at least admit a mistake. Now, you may want to modify your 2 month staement further, since Duda started off August with a nice first week.

 

Aug1 to Aug7: 6 for 19 with 2 BB (.316 BA/.381 OBP), so basically, now we're down to a 1 and 3/4 month "brutal slump". That's about 70% of your 2.5 month claim.

 

His Aug 1 to Aug 10 OBP was .370.

 

His numbers from Aug 1 to Aug 17th: .333 OBP

 

One could argue it was less than a 1.5 month slump, but yes, it was a significant slump. Most players have a few.

 

[moonslav59]

You don’t know what point you were trying to make either. LOL!

 

Did your Met fan feed you this, too?

 

LOL

[moonslav59]

Moreland had a slump about as long as Duda's but much worse.

 

The two weeks before his .435 OPS month of July, he went 9 for 51 (.176) with just 1 BB (.192 OBP).

 

Now that's brutal compared to a .702 and .622 OPS for the months of August and September by Duda.

 

[a700hitter]

Keep talking to your Met fan for your brilliant insights.

 

You have been proven wrong too many times to count. It must be why you hate data so much.

 

The numbers show Duda brings much more to the table than HRs. He blows Moreland away in OBP, which will far outweigh the defensive upgrade.

 

BTW, Moreland is slower than Duda (not that it matter much for 1Bmen).

 

2014-2017 BsR index

-5.0 Duda (12th out of 31 1Bmen with 1500+ PAs)

-7.4 Moreland (19th/31)

 

My Met fan friend knows his team very well. He is my Met expert. He is almost prescient when it comes to the Mets. I was at a game in September 2007 with him when wirba 4-0 lead the Mets put on the oppositions first 2 hitters in the 4th inning. My friend got up and said “this game is over. I am not going to sit through this.” I thought he was overreacting, because the team was in a free fall collapse. I tied to convince him to stay, telling him that they were up 4-0 and it was still early. He left, and before he got to his car, the Mets had blown the 4 run lead in that inning and went onto another painful loss. Is that proof of anything to you? I am sure it is not. And I really don’t care to prove you wrong about anything. It was one game of many over the years where I was left asking myself how he knew something would happen. I’ll stick with his expertise about anything dealing with the Mets. I will check with him on Duda.

 

For the record, I love stats and data, but they mean more with context. You seem to be hell bent on proving people wrong if they disagree with you and your last post was a bit nasty and personal. You think you are some sort of expert on right and wrong with regard to all things baseball. You are no different for the rest of the Jackass fans that frequent these boards, and I include myself in that group— just so that you and no one else takes offense

[a700hitter]

Did your Met fan feed you this, too?

 

LOL

Then explain what you meant. I was asking an honest question and you are acting like a snarky Jackass.

[oldtimer]

Moreland had a slump about as long as Duda's but much worse.

 

The two weeks before his .435 OPS month of July, he went 9 for 51 (.176) with just 1 BB (.192 OBP).

 

Now that's brutal compared to a .702 and .622 OPS for the months of August and September by Duda.

 

 

Didn't Moreland play through a broken toe about that time?

[moonslav59]

Didn't Moreland play through a broken toe about that time?

 

Yes. He did. He also missed 3+ months in 2014 giving him less PAs than the injury prone Duda over the last 4 years.

Edited November 26, 2017 by moonslav59

[moonslav59]

Then explain what you meant. I was asking an honest question and you are acting like a snarky Jackass.

 

Pot meet kettle.

[moonslav59]

Then explain what you meant....

 

 

Here's a clue...

 

 

"...I just see no overall upside in Duda. I don't see him as a platoon player, nor do I see Hanley as a platoon player."

 

Then, this...

 

"The downside for Travis is that he is right-handed and not a platoon candidate with Hanley..."

[a700hitter]

Yes. He did. He also missed 3+ months in 2014 giving him less PAs than the injury prone Duda over the last 4 years.

I never once used the term "injury prone"with regard to Duda. That is just another example of you spinning things and misrepresenting what someone else has said. I said that Duda has 2 chronic conditions (3 if you count each hip) -- a bad back and 2 bad hips. These are time bombs.

[a700hitter]

Then explain what you meant....

 

 

Here's a clue...

 

 

"...I just see no overall upside in Duda. I don't see him as a platoon player, nor do I see Hanley as a platoon player."

 

Then, this...

 

"The downside for Travis is that he is right-handed and not a platoon candidate with Hanley..."

Again you misunderstand and misrepresent and you use your mistaken interpretation as the basis for an insult. The only reason that I am considering Hanley as a platoon option is because people seem to want to limit his playing time so that his option doesn't vest. There is validity in that point of view, but I still see no evidence that he would be a good platoon player. If you were going to platoon him, it would be with a left-handed hitter, not a right handed hitter like, Travis, hence my statement. Can you follow that? It is difficult having a discussion with someone who so often mistakes and misinterprets your posts. You make a habit of that and not just with me.

[moonslav59]

Again you misunderstand and misrepresent and you use your mistaken interpretation as the basis for an insult. The only reason that I am considering Hanley as a platoon option is because people seem to want to limit his playing time so that his option doesn't vest. There is validity in that point of view, but I still see no evidence that he would be a good platoon player. If you were going to platoon him, it would be with a left-handed hitter, not a right handed hitter like, Travis, hence my statement. Can you follow that? It is difficult having a discussion with someone who so often mistakes and misinterprets your posts. You make a habit of that and not just with me.

 

Nice self assessment.

[Spudboy]

At times like this I like to remember what Mark Twain wrote.

[moonslav59]

At times like this I like to remember what Mark Twain wrote.

 

Never try to teach a pig to sing.

You waste your time,

and annoy the pig.

[moonslav59]

At times like this I like to remember what Mark Twain wrote.

 

Or, did you mean this one?

 

"If you don't read 700's posts you are uninformed; if you do read 700's posts you are misinformed."

[a700hitter]

Or, did you mean this one?

 

"If you don't read 700's posts you are uninformed; if you do read 700's posts you are misinformed."

Really getting personal.

[a700hitter]

Nice self assessment.

You should try working on your reading comprehension and discussion skills. There are cognition issues.

[moonslav59]

You should try working on your reading comprehension and discussion skills. There are cognition issues.

 

Again, very clear self assessment.

 

Forgive me for saying you claimed Duda was injury prone. I was wrong.

 

He just has "chronic health issues".

 

I stand corrected. I got it totally wrong.

 

 

"...As for Moreland, I would prefer him because he is a much better fielder and he doesn’t have any chronic health issues."

[a700hitter]

Again, very clear self assessment.

 

Forgive me for saying you claimed Duda was injury prone. I was wrong.

 

He just has "chronic health issues".

 

I stand corrected. I got it totally wrong.

 

 

"...As for Moreland, I would prefer him because he is a much better fielder and he doesn’t have any chronic health issues."

Just as Masahiro Tanaka has a chronic elbow issue and David Ortiz had chronic heel issues, but neither are injury prone. Things really have to be spelled out for you.

[moonslav59]

Just as Masahiro Tanaka has a chronic elbow issue and David Ortiz had chronic heel issues, but neither are injury prone. Things really have to be spelled out for you.

 

Yes, I know the distinction. I admitted I was wrong. Chronic is different from injury prone. Do I need to perform a human sacrifice or something?

 

You never give up.

 

Must have something to do with being under your skin.

[a700hitter]

Yes, I know the distinction. I admitted I was wrong. Chronic is different from injury prone. Do I need to perform a human sacrifice or something?

 

You never give up.

 

Must have something to do with being under your skin.

Good self assessment.

[moonslav59]

Monkey see...