2017/18 Hot Stove Thread

[moonslav59]

http://www.weei.com/media/audio-channel/danny-picard-could-red-sox-make-trade-bryce-harper-10-28-17

 

https://www.fishstripes.com/2017/10/18/16485278/the-miami-marlins-and-boston-red-sox-are-destined-trade-partners-stanton-ozuna-yelich-jackie-bradley

 

https://bosoxinjection.com/2017/10/15/potential-red-sox-trade-target-jose-abreu/

 

http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/red_sox/2017/10/jennings_red_sox_offseason_shopping_complicated_by_expected_2018_free_agent

 

https://www.boston.com/sports/sports-q/2017/08/15/should-the-red-sox-try-to-trade-for-giancarlo-stanton

 

http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/red_sox/2017/10/silverman_red_sox_need_power_but_not_at_giancarlo_stantons_price

 

https://www.bostonglobe.com/lifestyle/names/2017/10/26/jimmy-kimmel-asked-giancarlo-stanton-like-play-for-red-sox/sGoNwPdgkNbW6nb3ygo0kL/story.html

 

http://www.masslive.com/redsox/index.ssf/2017/10/boston_red_sox_potential_trade.html

 

Maybe I missed it, but I never saw an actual offer for Bryce Harper.

 

I'd trade Bogey, Travis and Groome in a heartbeat for Stanton.

I'd would not make the Ozuna trade (ERod, JBJ and Travis ot sub someone for Travis)

 

Chad Finn thinks this is what it would take to get Stanton, and I'd say no: "Andrew Benintendi, Rafael Devers and more in return."

 

Another says JBJ, Chavis, Houck and Ockimey. I'd say yes.

 

They hint at trading JBJ and Travis or ERod for Abreu. I'd rather sign a 1Bman, although Abreu is the real deal.

 

Chad Jennings suggests we sign JD Martinez. He thinks we might have to give up Beni or Devers to get Stanton. He talks of Howie Kendrick to cover for Pedey and then transition to 4th OF'er mode or Chase Utley to boost the clubhouse with some "leadership." He mentions maybe trying to get Profar among others but no specific offers mentioned

 

[Larry Cook]

We may need to think outside the box for a power hitter.

 

I still think the Yankees go hard after JD.

 

I can not see the White Sox sending us Abreu.

 

I can not see us signing hosmer.

 

Even if we sign Santana, the guy is an on base machine not a power hitter.

 

Would Seattle be willing to trade Cruz to us? Can Hanley handle first base next season with his rebuilt shoulder?

 

Or would Atlanta be open to moving Adams?

 

Or do we try and sign Duda?

[moonslav59]

We may need to think outside the box for a power hitter.

 

I still think the Yankees go hard after JD.

 

I can not see the White Sox sending us Abreu.

 

I can not see us signing hosmer.

 

Even if we sign Santana, the guy is an on base machine not a power hitter.

 

Would Seattle be willing to trade Cruz to us? Can Hanley handle first base next season with his rebuilt shoulder?

 

Or would Atlanta be open to moving Adams?

 

Or do we try and sign Duda?

 

Santana has about the same power as Moreland, but he is much better at getting on base. He did have 34 Hrs in 2016, so maybe...

 

Getting just Santana is probably not going to boost our offense enough, and it makes you look around and ask what's another position we can significantly upgrade now that 1B is filled.

 

I see replacing JBJ as a realistic idea. We won't mess with our catchers. I doubt we look to replace Pedey at 2B with Cozart or by trading for Dozier. The other position might be to basically write off HRam and sign a DH (JD Martinez or Duda) and Santana.

 

Could we sign JD or Upton and Santana, then trade JBJ and a prospect for a solid pitcher? That way HRam still DHs.

 

Edited October 30, 2017 by moonslav59

[harmony]

We may need to think outside the box for a power hitter.

 

I still think the Yankees go hard after JD.

 

I can not see the White Sox sending us Abreu.

 

I can not see us signing hosmer.

 

Even if we sign Santana, the guy is an on base machine not a power hitter.

 

Would Seattle be willing to trade Cruz to us? Can Hanley handle first base next season with his rebuilt shoulder?

 

Or would Atlanta be open to moving Adams?

 

Or do we try and sign Duda?

I don't see a match for Nelson Cruz, who has only one year and $14 million remaining on his contract after the 37-year-old designated hitter posted 12.8 fWAR, valued at $102.4 million, in the first three years of his four-year, $57 million contract with Seattle.

 

I've suggested a trade of Hanley Ramirez and Jackie Bradley Jr. to Seattle for reliever Nick Vincent, but that does not address the Red Sox need for a power hitter. However, the deal would free up funds for the Sox to pursue J.D. Martinez and other sluggers.

[moonslav59]

I don't see a match for Nelson Cruz, who has only one year and $14 million remaining on his contract after the 37-year-old designated hitter posted 12.8 fWAR, valued at $102.4 million, in the first three years of his four-year, $57 million contract with Seattle.

 

I've suggested a trade of Hanley Ramirez and Jackie Bradley Jr. to Seattle for reliever Nick Vincent, but that does not address the Red Sox need for a power hitter. However, the deal would free up funds for the Sox to pursue J.D. Martinez and other sluggers.

 

Ahhh, come on! Take all our duds and a prospect for Cruz!

 

HRam, Holt, Hembree and Travis.

 

If the Mariners had no chance at winning next year, they might have looked at 3 years of JBJ, HRam, Hembree and a couple prospects (Chavis, Travis or Beeks?)for Cruz as possible.

 

[a700hitter]

Gabe Kapler has been named manager of the Phillies. Poor guy. Philadelphia sucks = the team, the city and their fans.

[jacksonianmarch]

Gabe Kapler has been named manager of the Phillies. Poor guy. Philadelphia sucks = the team, the city and their fans.

 

And their system is pretty screwed up. They have talent, but they just seem to be struck with s*** luck

[moonslav59]

The Phillies do have a few promising young players.

 

Hellickson was their only SP'er over 26 who had 4 or more starts.

 

GS Pitcher Age

27 Nola 24

24 Eickhoff 26

8 Thompson 23

15 Lively 25

15 Velasquez 25 (was injured)

11 Leiter 26

26 Pivetta 24

 

Their 8 leading PA players were all under 28. They had a couple over an .800 OPS, which is more than we can say. Of their 12 players with over 200 PAs, 4 were over .800, and 6 were over .777.

 

Some very high draft picks could start paying off at some point.

[harmony]

The Miami Herald reports that the Marlins have Giancarlo Stanton, Dee Gordon and Martin Prado on the trade block:

 

http://www.miamiherald.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/barry-jackson/article181739531.html

[moonslav59]

The Miami Herald reports that the Marlins have Giancarlo Stanton, Dee Gordon and Martin Prado on the trade block:

 

http://www.miamiherald.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/barry-jackson/article181739531.html

 

I had a feeling they'd look to trade (not dump) Gordon.

 

Prada is a straight dump. If we took him with Stanton, we might get by without having to part with one more of our top young prospects. I'm not sure we can absorb his salary though.

[notin]

I had a feeling they'd look to trade (not dump) Gordon.

 

Prada is a straight dump. If we took him with Stanton, we might get by without having to part with one more of our top young prospects. I'm not sure we can absorb his salary though.

 

Send back Castillo. That's the one city that might like him....

[jacksonianmarch]

Prado hasn’t been healthy. They’re better off keeping him, rebuilding his value, and dealing him mid season. They’re gonna get a kings ransom for Gordon

[a700hitter]

Cubs interested in Benintendi. I'd take Bryant.

 

http://bostonsportsextra.com/boston-red-sox/2017/10/cubs-interested-benintendi

[Spudboy]

Cubs interested in Benintendi. I'd take Bryant.

 

http://bostonsportsextra.com/boston-red-sox/2017/10/cubs-interested-benintendi

 

Nope.

[oldtimer]

Cubs interested in Benintendi. I'd take Bryant.

 

http://bostonsportsextra.com/boston-red-sox/2017/10/cubs-interested-benintendi

 

I'd keep Beni as a likely very solid player for us for years to come.

[cp176]

Cubs interested in Benintendi. I'd take Bryant.

 

http://bostonsportsextra.com/boston-red-sox/2017/10/cubs-interested-benintendi

 

I'm with you!!!

[harmony]

Cubs interested in Benintendi. I'd take Bryant.

 

http://bostonsportsextra.com/boston-red-sox/2017/10/cubs-interested-benintendi

Kris Bryant ranked fourth on FanGraphs trade value list in July:

 

https://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/2017-trade-value-1-to-10/

 

Andrew Benintendi ranked No. 26 on the list.

 

Bryant remains under team control for four more seasons after posting 6.5, 8.3 and 6.7 fWAR the last three seasons. Benintendi, who is two-and-a-half years younger, remains under team control for five seasons after posting 2.2 fWAR this year.

 

I highly doubt the Cubs would have any interest in one-for-one swap.

Edited November 1, 2017 by harmony

[Carpin]

Cubs interested in Benintendi. I'd take Bryant.

 

http://bostonsportsextra.com/boston-red-sox/2017/10/cubs-interested-benintendi

 

They listed only Bryant, Rizzo and Contreras as untouchable, the rest of the team is fair game

 

By the way, Benintandi won't get you Bryant, you will need to add far more than that

[Carpin]

Kris Bryant ranked fourth on FanGraphs trade value list in July:

 

https://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/2017-trade-value-1-to-10/

 

Andrew Benintendi was not ranked.

 

Bryant remains under team control for four more seasons after posting 6.5, 8.3 and 6.7 fWAR the last three seasons. Benintendi, who is two-and-a-half years younger, remains under team control for five seasons after posting 2.2 fWAR this year.

 

I highly doubt the Cubs would have any interest in one-for-one swap.

 

A reasonable trade value comp might be Cub second baseman/outfielder Ian Happ, who comes with one added year of team control. Happ is a month younger than Benintendi and was taken two picks after Benintendi in the 2015 draft.

 

Based on this list not even Mookie Betts will get you Bryant (very surprised by this list)

[harmony]

Based on this list not even Mookie Betts will get you Bryant (very surprised by this list)

Three years of Mookie Betts, who has posted 4.9, 7.5 and 5.3 fWAR the last three years, won't land four years of Kris Bryant, who has posted 6.5, 8.3 and 6.7 fWAR the last three years.

[Carpin]

Three years of Mookie Betts, who has posted 4.9, 7.5 and 5.3 fWAR the last three years, won't land four years of Kris Bryant, who has posted 6.5, 8.3 and 6.7 fWAR the last three years.

 

Now that you compare them side by side it makes a lot of sense, my first impression was different

[moonslav59]

Lots of Sox players on the list...

 

7 Betts

21 Sale

26 Beni

(41 Moncada)

45 Bogey

46 JBJ

 

 

[a700hitter]

They listed only Bryant, Rizzo and Contreras as untouchable, the rest of the team is fair game

 

By the way, Benintandi won't get you Bryant, you will need to add far more than that

It would depend on what Theo thinks about Benintendi's potential.

[harmony]

It would depend on what Theo thinks about Benintendi's potential.

True.

 

Theo Epstein may think five years of Andrew Benintendi is worth no more than four years of Kyle Schwarber to the power-needy Red Sox.

[moonslav59]

True.

 

Theo Epstein may think five years of Andrew Benintendi is worth no more than four years of Kyle Schwarber to the power-needy Red Sox.

 

I hope the Sox don't do that deal.

 

30 HRs and 59 RBI.

 

.211 BA (career .222)

 

.315 OBP (career .329)

 

[harmony]

I hope the Sox don't do that deal.

 

30 HRs and 59 RBI.

 

.211 BA (career .222)

 

.315 OBP (career .329)

 

 

I would not trade Andrew Benintendi for Kyle Schwarber but I responded to the comment that "It would depend on what Theo thinks about Benintendi's potential."

[moonslav59]

I would not trade Andrew Benintendi for Kyle Schwarber but I responded to the comment that "It would depend on what Theo thinks about Benintendi's potential."

 

Yea, I didn't take it that way. I was just saying I'd say no.

[Larry Cook]

Schwarber could be special in Fenway.

 

But benintendi is way more athletic than schwarber and projects to exceed schwarber in most areas except power.

 

If Theo were to sweeten the pot with a decent prospect, then this trade could make sense.

[a700hitter]

I will wet myself if we trade Benintendi for Bryant and then we sign JD Martinez.

[NativeBostonian]

I will wet myself if we trade Benintendi for Bryant and then we sign JD Martinez.

 

I think Bryant would be the only guy I'd trade Benintendi for. But, I dont see how that helps the Cubs. They'd be taking a bat away. They're looking to add onto what they have. Not get a player who hit less homeruns then the guy they'd be giving up to get him.

Edited November 1, 2017 by NativeBostonian