4 months from now. Who will we not see in Ft Myers?

[S5Dewey]

Like JBJ but he's on the block for me. We have 3 CF's on this team now.

 

I confess to having a man-crush on JBJ's defense but I understand those who want to trade him. MO..and obviously only mine.. is that JBJ will be in Boston next year if only because DD has that same man-crush I have. DD tried to trade for JBJ when he was in Detroit.

[Bellhorn04]

and it's also why I want to get rid of the opt-out clause.

 

I hate it too, but it's an incentive for players to sign with you.

 

I'm not sure there's any precedent for negotiating with a player to remove one of these things, and the Players Union would probably frown on it to say the least.

[Bellhorn04]

I confess to having a man-crush on JBJ's defense but I understand those who want to trade him. MO..and obviously only mine.. is that JBJ will be in Boston next year if only because DD has that same man-crush I have. DD tried to trade for JBJ when he was in Detroit.

 

Trading JBJ would be brutal. Unfortunately he's one of our few really attractive trading chips.

[jacksonianmarch]

Stanton’s contract Is a conundrum. On one hand, 10 years and $295 mil is a humongous chunk of change. On the other, the contract has an AAV of $4.5 mil per annum less than the actual money left on the contract, so teams keeping an eye on the lux tax get a bit of relief on their books. The AAV is pretty much in line with what I’d expect for Stanton, maybe below market value but the years are the killer. If Stanton opts out, there’s no guarantee that he surpasses the total guaranteed money on the contract even if he beats the AAV.

[S5Dewey]

Stanton’s contract Is a conundrum. On one hand, 10 years and $295 mil is a humongous chunk of change. On the other, the contract has an AAV of $4.5 mil per annum less than the actual money left on the contract, so teams keeping an eye on the lux tax get a bit of relief on their books. The AAV is pretty much in line with what I’d expect for Stanton, maybe below market value but the years are the killer. If Stanton opts out, there’s no guarantee that he surpasses the total guaranteed money on the contract even if he beats the AAV.

 

I assume you are (or were) a member of the MLBPA. What would be the union's position be on Stanton opting out or negotiating away the opt out clause?

[mvp 78]

DD has to take the shiny Holt toy away from JF. - Probably won't happen.

 

No Rutledge. - Makes sense.

 

No Moreland, Young, Reed, Fister & Davis. - Maybe keep Morleand.

 

Maybe bring Nunez back. - If he has a clean bill of health BEFORE SIGNING.

 

Maybe sign JD Martinez and Duda to squeeze HRam under 497 PAs and no 2019 vesting $22M option. - Dumb.

 

Maybe, instead, we trade for Donaldson or Beltre and move Devers to 1B and keep HRam at DH. - Dumber.

 

Maybe we sign a pitcher and then trade ERod and prospects for a real 1Bman or 3Bman. - Creative and possibly very smart.

 

Maybe, maybe, maybe.

 

Thinking the Sox don't need JD Martinez is super duper dumb.

[OH FOY]

Looking at the CF's in the Play-offs there are 2 that really stand out, Springer, and Chris Taylor, probably JBJ next.

Francona put Kipnis in CF and he has not played CF since College.

The common thing, is Defense is huge at CF, if you have Power batting around them. Then it works.

Keep JBJ then you must move Benni, or Betts. To get Production we need. Devers is next. Subtraction by Addition.

JBJ is the one that makes addition by subtraction to me. You have other CF's that's why.

Sucks but that might be the case.

[mvp 78]

Looking at the CF's in the Play-offs there are 2 that really stand out, Springer, and Chris Taylor, probably JBJ next.

Francona put Kipnis in CF and he has not played CF since College.

The common thing, is Defense is huge at CF, if you have Power batting around them. Then it works.

Keep JBJ then you must move Benni, or Betts. To get Production we need. Devers is next. Subtraction by Addition.

JBJ is the one that makes addition by subtraction to me.

Sucks but that might be the case.

 

Just sign JD Martinez to play 1b/DH. Offseason would be easy peasy.

[OH FOY]

I think we need more than just JD. I would sign him too.

[OH FOY]

You add JD and Abreu this line-up is now scary. JD in Left, Abreu 1st base. 200 RBI's + 60+ Hrs, plus good average. I am not counting 81 games in Fenway, just a estimate. Edited October 10, 2017 by OH FOY!

[mvp 78]

You add JD and Abreu this line-up is now scary. JD in Left, Abreu 1st base. 200 RBI's + 60+ Hrs, plus good average. I am not counting 81 games in Fenway, just a estimate.

 

Not sure they can do both while still paying Hanley and Pablo. If Henry is down for it, sure!

[Elktonnick]

Not sure they can do both while still paying Hanley and Pablo. If Henry is down for it, sure!

 

Salary cap notwithstanding I suspect Boston will make a super effort to sign JD Martinez.

[OH FOY]

Not sure they can do both while still paying Hanley and Pablo. If Henry is down for it, sure!

 

Previous bad contracts should not effect this team going forward. Ownership has to take the chance. We know right now we are a 93 win team who cant advance in LDS. Also Yanks will be making moves, and their Minor Leagues are now stronger than ours.

With Sale and Price here now, got to go for it.

[jacksonianmarch]

I assume you are (or were) a member of the MLBPA. What would be the union's position be on Stanton opting out or negotiating away the opt out clause?

 

I was not a member, lol, but thanks for the compliment. But I played with a bunch of guys who made it. The MLBPA wouldn't have an issue with it, to be honest with you. Stanton asked for the opt out clause and it is within his right to use it. What the MLBPA would not stand for is Stanton negotiating a lower salary on an already agreed upon contract. If Stanton declines his opt out and then reduces the years on his contract, the MLBPA will have a fit. If Stanton opts out then signs a contract less than the one he was guaranteed, well, then he made a bad business decision

[moonslav59]

I think we need more than just JD. I would sign him too.

 

JD, Duda (to platoon with HRam and squeeze his vesting option) and Nunez (for back-up to Pedey and everywhere else).

 

I think we could do this and stay below the maximum penalty level on the luxury tax.

 

Trading big players for a bigger player just opens new holes that will be too costly to fill.

 

I'll listen to any trade suggestions.

 

If Henry didn't mind opening his wallet bigtime, then sure, trade Bogey, Beni, Chavis and HRam for Stanton, sign JD, Nunez and Cozart and go into 2017 with this...

 

1. Pedey 2B-Nunez 2B/3B

2. Betts RF

3. Stanton LF

4. Martinez 1B/DH

5. Cozart SS

6. Devers 3B/1B

7. Nunez 3B/ Travis 1B

8. JBJ CF

9. Vaz C

[jacksonianmarch]

Benintendi isn't getting dealt. That kid will be a really solid #2 hitter for a long time. I can see that kid hitting over .300 with 20+HR on a yearly basis. I like his game. Beni, Betts, and Devers are untouchable IMO

[BstHcpr]

Guaranteed money and sometimes a chance at a ring can be a big incentive. Once he opts out of that contract he's naked out there, hoping he can get a better one. That list of prospective employers who can pay him more and give him a shot at a ring is quite small.

 

Just stop

[sk7326]

Benintendi isn't getting dealt. That kid will be a really solid #2 hitter for a long time. I can see that kid hitting over .300 with 20+HR on a yearly basis. I like his game. Beni, Betts, and Devers are untouchable IMO

 

I think that Dombrowski promoted Benintendi and Devers from AA (essentially) while dealing Moncada says everything. I think something which became clear in retrospect was that Dombrowski looked at the gold mine in the Red Sox farm and quickly identified Devers and Benintendi as the absolute keepers.

[Spudboy]

Bogaerts, Beni & Hanley for Stanton IF Stanton will drop his opt-out. Then Butterfield and Stanton take a stroll to 1b where Butter said, "i hope you like it here. You;re going to be viewing the field from this spot in the future".

 

The only problem here is it would create a vacuum in LF and SS. Who replaces those two guys?

[Spudboy]

Like JBJ but he's on the block for me. We have 3 CF's on this team now. Need Offense.

 

Common sense.

[Spudboy]

Thinking the Sox don't need JD Martinez is super duper dumb.

 

That is not what I said. Although I did not explain myself.

 

"sign JD Martinez and Duda to squeeze HRam under 497 PAs and no 2019 vesting $22M option." That is the dumb part.

 

I have nothing against getting Martinez if he can play everyday.

 

He is a little long in the tooth and is not ideal but if he is all DD can come up with then I can live with it.

 

Do yourself a favor and look at his career history. He is what can be called a "late bloomer".

 

I don't see how anyone would want that guy over Stanton all things considered.

[Spudboy]

I think we need more than just JD. I would sign him too.

 

This is obvious to anyone that looks closely.

[Spudboy]

I was not a member, lol, but thanks for the compliment. But I played with a bunch of guys who made it. The MLBPA wouldn't have an issue with it, to be honest with you. Stanton asked for the opt out clause and it is within his right to use it. What the MLBPA would not stand for is Stanton negotiating a lower salary on an already agreed upon contract. If Stanton declines his opt out and then reduces the years on his contract, the MLBPA will have a fit. If Stanton opts out then signs a contract less than the one he was guaranteed, well, then he made a bad business decision

 

This is somewhat similar to the Sox / ARod fiasco.

[notin]

Signing Duda (OPS+ 109 over the last two years to squeeze out Hanley (OPS+ 111 over the last two years) strikes me as silly and wasteful. Duda isn't an improvement, won't be cheap, and will very likely want more than one season. And probably get a multiyear deal. In two years, fans will be trying to figure out ways to squeeze an overpaid Duda off the roster.

 

Best move is to ride it out with Hanley....

[jacksonianmarch]

Signing Duda (OPS+ 109 over the last two years to squeeze out Hanley (OPS+ 111 over the last two years) strikes me as silly and wasteful. Duda isn't an improvement, won't be cheap, and will very likely want more than one season. And probably get a multiyear deal. In two years, fans will be trying to figure out ways to squeeze an overpaid Duda off the roster.

 

Best move is to ride it out with Hanley....

 

Duda will be cheap. Guys like him get $8 mil on a one year deal tops. You increase production and save $14 mil overall by getting Duda

[Spudboy]

Signing Duda (OPS+ 109 over the last two years to squeeze out Hanley (OPS+ 111 over the last two years) strikes me as silly and wasteful. Duda isn't an improvement, won't be cheap, and will very likely want more than one season. And probably get a multiyear deal. In two years, fans will be trying to figure out ways to squeeze an overpaid Duda off the roster.

 

Best move is to ride it out with Hanley....

 

As much as I would like to say bye bye to Hanley, this makes sense.

[Spudboy]

Duda will be cheap. Guys like him get $8 mil on a one year deal tops. You increase production and save $14 mil overall by getting Duda

 

How is $14. mil saved? I am not doubting you. I just don't understand.

[oldtimer]

I think that Dombrowski promoted Benintendi and Devers from AA (essentially) while dealing Moncada says everything. I think something which became clear in retrospect was that Dombrowski looked at the gold mine in the Red Sox farm and quickly identified Devers and Benintendi as the absolute keepers.

 

I am not for trading Beni, Devers or Bogey. All are young players who still are likely to make significant improvements. With Bogey, I think he need more help from the hitting coach.

[Station 13]

+ JD Martinez

+ Zack Cozart or Eduardo Nunez

+ Logan Morrison or Carlos Santana

+ Otani

[jacksonianmarch]

How is $14. mil saved? I am not doubting you. I just don't understand.

 

Signing Duda for $8 mil puts Hanley in a platoon situation and keeps his option from vesting, hence saving $22 mil in 2019. $22-$8 is $14