9/26 Vs. Toronto

[Station 13]

I'm okay if Hanley is sent packing after tonight. His service is never needed ever.

[Maxbialystock]

I'm okay if Hanley is sent packing after tonight. His service is never needed ever.

 

Meh. I don't much like him either, especially this year. But in this case I think we need to give Happ some credit--he pitched him perfectly.

[TylerD]

This game is horribly boring.

[TylerD]

I'm okay if Hanley is sent packing after tonight. His service is never needed ever.

I like him and he has some great power but I agree. I wouldn't overly miss him.

[Maxbialystock]

For me it's not boring. Really painful given the implications for the remaining 5 games, but not boring. I think it's very possible we are watching the demise of great hopes before this series with the Jays began.

 

Our #1 and #2 starters have been demolished on consecutive nights, and tomorrow the great Porcello will be in charge of keeping this boat afloat. Almost as bad, we can't be sure if Nunez will ever return to the lineup or when Betts will. We could well be losing three straight while the Yankees win three straight, thereby closing to 2 games with 4 to play and us going against the Astros.

[Northern Star]

For me it's not boring. Really painful given the implications for the remaining 5 games, but not boring. I think it's very possible we are watching the demise of great hopes before this series with the Jays began.

 

Our #1 and #2 starters have been demolished on consecutive nights, and tomorrow the great Porcello will be in charge of keeping this boat afloat. Almost as bad, we can't be sure if Nunez will ever return to the lineup or when Betts will. We could well be losing three straight while the Yankees win three straight, thereby closing to 2 games with 4 to play and us going against the Astros.

 

You should get a refund from that motivational speaking course.

[Northern Star]

I like him and he has some great power but I agree. I wouldn't overly miss him.

 

What happens to his option if we release him? We have to pay it if he gets the ABs with another team?

[illinoisredsox]

What happens to his option if we release him? We have to pay it if he gets the ABs with another team?

 

Yup. All except the MLB minimum.

[Maxbialystock]

You should get a refund from that motivational speaking course.

 

Clearly, I never took a course like that, but don't do half bad at that very thing when the situation calls for it. I love moonslav and Kimmi's optimism and definitely want them to be right and, in this case, me very wrong.

 

Meanwhile, why not take a shot at my no doubt unfounded, even specious assessment. Shoot it down, please.

[TylerD]

Absolutely awful game. Down to 3 game lead after tonight If Yanks win. Ugh. Unreal.

[TylerD]

What happens to his option if we release him? We have to pay it if he gets the ABs with another team?

 

Unfortunately. Guess we keep him?

[FredLynn]

Meh. I don't much like him either, especially this year. But in this case I think we need to give Happ some credit--he pitched him perfectly.

 

Happ faced an AAA lineup tonight. No credit. Even some of the first string guys, like Hanley and Young (even though he had two hits tonight) are basically useless. Add in Leon and Marrerro, and JBJ with his 0 for 28 and we never really had a chance unless Sale threw a shutout.

Edited September 27, 2017 by FredLynn

[Maxbialystock]

Unfortunately. Guess we keep him?

 

Look, I don't like the guy one darn bit. But he's paid for and last year did very well. Apparently he has been hurt this year. So I think a bounce back in 2018 is entirely possible.

[Northern Star]

Happ faced an AAA lineup tonight. No credit. Even some of the first string guys, like Hanley and Young (even though he had two hits tonight) are basically useless. Add in Leon and Marrerro, and JBJ with his 0 for 28 and we never really had a chance unless Sale through a shutout.

 

Are we overlooking the number of runs scored in the last ten games or so?

[TylerD]

Look, I don't like the guy one darn bit. But he's paid for and last year did very well. Apparently he has been hurt this year. So I think a bounce back in 2018 is entirely possible.

 

That's fair. I didn't realize the injury to be honest but they can make a huge different. Just day and night from last year for him. I guess we don't have much choice but to keep him. Hopefully he has a rebound year.

 

Also is there a reason we aren't giving Price much work? I know we are losing horribly but hasn't he only had like 3 innings since returning? Why not give him some innings tonight?

[Station 13]

JBJ has been really bad for months now.

[Northern Star]

Clearly, I never took a course like that, but don't do half bad at that very thing when the situation calls for it. I love moonslav and Kimmi's optimism and definitely want them to be right and, in this case, me very wrong.

 

Meanwhile, why not take a shot at my no doubt unfounded, even specious assessment. Shoot it down, please.

 

No, I've got a feeling you're right. Just having it said out loud sucks.

[FredLynn]

Are we overlooking the number of runs scored in the last ten games or so?

 

Nope. As I said, with Betts and Pedroia in the lineup its a different team than with Young and Marrerro. Add in Hanley, who is pretty useless nowadays, instead of Moreland, and you can see that we could score some runs that we now cannot.

[TylerD]

Triple for Young.

[FredLynn]

That's fair. I didn't realize the injury to be honest but they can make a huge different. Just day and night from last year for him. I guess we don't have much choice but to keep him. Hopefully he has a rebound year.

 

Also is there a reason we aren't giving Price much work? I know we are losing horribly but hasn't he only had like 3 innings since returning? Why not give him some innings tonight?

 

What injury? He is no more banged up than other guys this time of year. He just stinks. Bad year. Like a lot of other guys.

[SoxHop]

JBJ better get his s*** together soon.

[Maxbialystock]

Happ faced an AAA lineup tonight. No credit. Even some of the first string guys, like Hanley and Young (even though he had two hits tonight) are basically useless. Add in Leon and Marrerro, and JBJ with his 0 for 28 and we never really had a chance unless Sale through a shutout.

 

Meh. We definitely missed Nunez big time, but he did not have him on that fantastic 8-1 road trip. Betts definitely a big loss. But that's it. Young did get the only double and only rbi. Beni and Devers looked awful but haven't been and certainly during that road trip. JBJ was lousy when we were winning and we still liked his defense, which helped us to win at least one game during that streak. Leon is in there to catch--that's the agreement. Marrero was/is needed for his defense and does have the righty bat vs. the lefty Happ, plus didn't he hit the ball hard a couple times? He certainly was a better choice at 2b than Holt or Pedey (who himself is in a slump among other issues).

[Northern Star]

It's just amazing how fickle fans - myself included - are. Two days ago we were talking about the team getting hot again at the right time.

[Maxbialystock]

No, I've got a feeling you're right. Just having it said out loud sucks.

 

Damn. All the more reason to hope I'm full of it.

[Maxbialystock]

It's just amazing how fickle fans - myself included - are. Two days ago we were talking about the team getting hot again at the right time.

 

I was right there with you--high as a kite, and ready to take on anyone in the ALDS.

[TylerD]

What injury? He is no more banged up than other guys this time of year. He just stinks. Bad year. Like a lot of other guys.

 

Agreed. Someone said he had an injury. I honestly wasn't even aware of it till now. Just a s*** year for him. Anything less than an exceptional year next year and I wouldn't miss him at all.

[TylerD]

The offense is coming through a bit. Sale blew this one and gave us zero chance. This team is known for their late heroic games. 4 runs with our ace should be a win. Just saying.

[oldtimer]

Happ faced an AAA lineup tonight. No credit. Even some of the first string guys, like Hanley and Young (even though he had two hits tonight) are basically useless. Add in Leon and Marrerro, and JBJ with his 0 for 28 and we never really had a chance unless Sale threw a shutout.

 

I agree that the results of a loss tonight were likely and that Sale was put into a situation where he couldn't give up any runs at all and expect our weakened lineup would give him much support. Missing both Betts and Nunez left us with our other likely hitters of Bogey, Beni and Devers a heavy lift, especially against a good lefty who has been pitching well. Sad to see our team disintegrate after such a nice run, but when we were winning we were only getting 5 or 6 hits most days. The pitching carried us. The funning thing is that Young actually got a couple of hits tonight after not doing anything at all for a long time.

[harmony]

Look, I don't like the guy one darn bit. But he's paid for and last year did very well. Apparently he has been hurt this year. So I think a bounce back in 2018 is entirely possible.

Throwing out his dreadful 2015 season with the Red Sox, Hanley Ramirez has posted 2.2 fWAR, valued at $17.3 million, over the past two seasons while receiving an annual salary of $22 million. Last year Ramirez posted 2.7 fWAR, valued at $21.5 million, in his only productive season with the Sox.

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=8001&position=SS

 

Ramirez has posted a net 0.5 fWAR, valued at $3.3 million, in three seasons while costing the Red Sox $66 million. He's a tough entry on the ledger sheet.

[FredLynn]

I agree that the results of a loss tonight were likely and that Sale was put into a situation where he couldn't give up any runs at all and expect our weakened lineup would give him much support. Missing both Betts and Nunez left us with our other likely hitters of Bogey, Beni and Devers a heavy lift, especially against a good lefty who has been pitching well. Sad to see our team disintegrate after such a nice run, but when we were winning we were only getting 5 or 6 hits most days. The pitching carried us. The funning thing is that Young actually got a couple of hits tonight after not doing anything at all for a long time.

 

So we will be three games up with five to play. At the end of the day I would rather be three games up on the Yankees than in their position of being three games down, injuries be damned.