9/17 at Tampa Bay

[a700hitter]

Showalter is still trying to give today's game to the Yankees. Britton got the last out of the 8th inning. O's still leading 6-4. Hopefully, he can lock it down.

[d-money]

Typical game from this team. Now I have to see this 9th inning and hope the Yankees lose. They don't take advantage

[a700hitter]

Idiot Showalter just walked Judge -- the tying run with 2 outs in the 9th inning to face Sanchez who is now the winning run. Are you kidding me!

[Bellhorn04]

Yanks lose, praise the Lord.

[Maxbialystock]

Managers can have an impact in close games. Farrell should have gone to Price an inning earlier if he was going to use him today.

 

Excuse me. But if Price had gone four or five scoreless innings--which he would not have--the Sox still needed another run. Before you lay this one on Farrell, take a close look that box score. Except for that miracle dinger in the 6th by JBJ, we had 2 lousy singles. Everyone but Beni and JBJ was hitless.

 

As I said early in the game, we had six guys starting who also played all of the 23 innings played Friday and Saturday nights. Pedey was rested, but went 0 for 12 at Tampa. Holt the presumed loser scored one of our two runs on a walk--a huge mistake by Odorizzi, as was the fastball to JBJ when the splitter had JBJ swinging blindly. On top of everything else, Davis had to go in for our best hitter in the series, Betts.

 

When ERod gave up the dinger, he had already gotten the first two guys out in the 6th (one on a liner, the other on a groundout) and the guy who hit it had 5 dingers season to date.

 

Spin all the theories you want to, but the evidence suggests you want to blame Farrell for a game basically lost by the lineup with their two errors (costing ERod an unearned run and a long first inning) and three hits, one of which was borderline miraculous given the prior walk to Holt and the stupid fastball by Odorizzi. And, while we are on the subject, who do you think persuaded Price he could contribute in the bullpen, the tooth fairy?

 

I personally forgive all errors and the weak hitting by the lineup because they have played with a lot of grit in this series.

Edited September 17, 2017 by Maxbialystock

[Maxbialystock]

Typical game from this team. Now I have to see this 9th inning and hope the Yankees lose. They don't take advantage

 

Me, I'll take the typical game by what I regard as one of the grittiest Sox teams in recent memory. Good but not great pitching. OK hitting, but bereft of power, which during the John Henry era (and until Ortiz retired) was a given for a Sox team.

[a700hitter]

Excuse me. But if Price had gone four or five scoreless innings--which he would not have--the Sox still needed another run. Before you lay this one on Farrell, take a close look that box score. Except for that miracle dinger in the 6th by JBJ, we had 2 lousy singles. Everyone but Beni and JBJ was hitless.

 

As I said early in the game, we had six guys starting who also played all of the 23 innings played Friday and Saturday nights. Pedey was rested, but went 0 for 12 at Tampa. Holt the presumed loser scored one of our two runs on a walk--a huge mistake by Odorizzi, as was the fastball to JBJ when the splitter had JBJ swinging blindly. On top of everything else, Davis had to go in for our best hitter in the series, Betts.

 

When ERod gave up the dinger, he had already gotten the first two guys out in the 6th (one on a liner, the other on a groundout) and the guy who hit it had 5 dingers season to date.

 

Spin all the theories you want to, but the evidence suggests you want to blame Farrell for a game basically lost by the lineup with their two errors (costing ERod an unearned run and a long first inning) and three hits, one of which was borderline miraculous given the prior walk to Holt and the stupid fastball by Odorizzi. And, while we are on the subject, who do you think persuaded Price he could contribute in the bullpen, the tooth fairy?

 

I personally forgive all errors and the weak hitting by the lineup because they have played with a lot of grit in this series.

In a tie game, maybe Cash doesn't go to his closer in the 9th, or maybe we go to extra innings and gut out the victory. The fact is that Farrell left in ERod after he hit his expiration date an he gave up the winning run. That you can't disprove. Until you can do that, my way would have given us a chance of winning. Funny how I can turn your s*** around on you.

[Maxbialystock]

In a tie game, maybe Cash doesn't go to his closer in the 9th, or maybe we go to extra innings and gut out the victory. The fact is that Farrell left in ERod after he hit his expiration date an he gave up the winning run. That you can't disprove. Until you can do that, my way would have given us a chance of winning. Funny how I can turn your s*** around on you.

 

Love the expiration date, nice metaphor. However, in his two previous starts ERod threw 109 and 107 pitches in 6 innings each, so it's kind of hard to see 110 as that big a gamble, especially when ERod had thrown just 106 pitches when Sucre came to bat.

 

My guess is Farrell had him on a short string in the 6th, but knew he had pitched well until then--1 earned run, 7 K's, 1 walk, and 6 singles thru 5 innings. Plus he fanned the last guy he faced in the 5th. Plus no Kimbrel or Reed to handle the 8th and 9th innings. Given the paucity of Sox hitting, this game had all the earmarks of extra innings. Hence the slight gamble of using Price straight off the DL with almost no bullpen experience.

[a700hitter]

Love the expiration date, nice metaphor. However, in his two previous starts ERod threw 109 and 107 pitches in 6 innings each, so it's kind of hard to see 110 as that big a gamble, especially when ERod had thrown just 106 pitches when Sucre came to bat.

 

My guess is Farrell had him on a short string in the 6th, but knew he had pitched well until then--1 earned run, 7 K's, 1 walk, and 6 singles thru 5 innings. Plus he fanned the last guy he faced in the 5th. Plus no Kimbrel or Reed to handle the 8th and 9th innings. Given the paucity of Sox hitting, this game had all the earmarks of extra innings. Hence the slight gamble of using Price straight off the DL with almost no bullpen experience.

My point is if he was going to bring in Price for multiple innings that he should not have pushed the limit on ERod who had just had a very tough 5th inning. He pushed the limit and he got burned. I am not one that harps on Farrell a lot for his bullpen usage. He has done a fair job in that aspect, but today is one of those cases where I thought that he should have shut ERod down and brought in Price to start the 6th if he was going to use him today anyway. I stated it in the game thread while we were batting in the 6th. Farrell had other ideas and ERod got taken deep for the game winner. Them is just the facts Max. Edited September 17, 2017 by a700hitter

[Kimmi]

ERod just might have pitched the best inning of his life. Big game, first inning, historically his weakest. Defense completely deserts him and tries to give the Rays a big inning. Instead, one unearned run despite men on first and third, one run in, and no outs thanks to terrible defense.

 

ERod did a great job of getting out of that inning with limited damage. On the whole, he pitched well. He did his job.

[Kimmi]

Beckham with a 3 run shot off Gray, 5-1 Birds in 4th.

 

Thank you Birds, for pulling out one game.

[a700hitter]

ERod did a great job of getting out of that inning with limited damage. On the whole, he pitched well. He did his job.

He did. Farrell should have done better.

[Kimmi]

That's Erod. The 5th was a bit ugly, but he still didn't get hit hard. I don't see it as stressed other than the 5th........ and still thought he had enough to get out of it...

 

In fairness to ERod and Farrell, ERod did get through the 1st two batters of the 6th inning pretty easily. I wouldn't have sent him back out, but I don't think it was a moronic move to do so.

[Kimmi]

hmmmm.... Price looked good.

 

Farrell is going to earn his paycheck woking the pitching staff the rest of the way....

 

Price looked very good. It will be interesting to see if he stays in the pen or if he eventually works his way back into the rotation.

[a700hitter]

In fairness to ERod and Farrell, ERod did get through the 1st two batters of the 6th inning pretty easily. I wouldn't have sent him back out, but I don't think it was a moronic move to do so.

No one said it was a moronic move. The move to Price was too late, and it cost them. Plouffe hit a seed s the first batter in that 6th inning. Maybe that seemed easy because it left his bat and found a glove so fast, but it was not an indication that he was in command.

[Maxbialystock]

No one said it was a moronic move. The move to Price was too late, and it cost them. Plouffe hit a seed s the first batter in that 6th inning. Maybe that seemed easy because it left his bat and found a glove so fast, but it was not an indication that he was in command.

 

Funny thing, but I've been right where you are--about three starts ago by Porcello when Farrell left him in and I was furious and went on an on (my thing).

 

Plus you will recall I agreed with you when you suggested Price be used in the 6th. But in the event I didn't think ERod was all that bad a choice given his overall game and especially the first 5 innings (and striking out the last guy in the 5th). Plus my impression was that the Sox hitting was almost moribund throughout the game except for that miracle dinger--after Odorizzi walked Holt, of all people--by JBJ.

 

Call me a fatalist, but I did not want to see another extra inning game--if we even get there without Reed and Kimbrel--on the eve of 3 in Baltimore.

 

I tend to forgive and forget when the Sox overall are playing good ball by whatever means. I can be pretty rotten when the chips are down, which is when I often say it's time to fire Farrell.

[a700hitter]

Funny thing, but I've been right where you are--about three starts ago by Porcello when Farrell left him in and I was furious and went on an on (my thing).

 

Plus you will recall I agreed with you when you suggested Price be used in the 6th. But in the event I didn't think ERod was all that bad a choice given his overall game and especially the first 5 innings (and striking out the last guy in the 5th). Plus my impression was that the Sox hitting was almost moribund throughout the game except for that miracle dinger--after Odorizzi walked Holt, of all people--by JBJ.

 

Call me a fatalist, but I did not want to see another extra inning game--if we even get there without Reed and Kimbrel--on the eve of 3 in Baltimore.

 

I tend to forgive and forget when the Sox overall are playing good ball by whatever means. I can be pretty rotten when the chips are down, which is when I often say it's time to fire Farrell.

I remember you saying that it was an interesting idea to go to Price in the 6th. We were right and it was the right move at the right time. Farrell was an inning late and it cost the team. I didn't say that it was a moronic move by him and didn't scream fro him to be fired. The move was just too late. The armchair guys on the gamethread called it right today. Can JF follow us on his tablet during the game or is that against league rules?

[SoxHop]

I remember you saying that it was an interesting idea to go to Price in the 6th. We were right and it was the right move at the right time. Farrell was an inning late and it cost the team. I didn't say that it was a moronic move by him and didn't scream fro him to be fired. The move was just too late. The armchair guys on the gamethread called it right today. Can JF follow us on his tablet during the game or is that against league rules?

 

We'd burn out the pen by June........ thank goodness he doesn't follow us.

 

And........ there is no way you can say it cost us the game...... unless you are bias or something...

Edited September 18, 2017 by SoxHop

[a700hitter]

We'd burn out the pen by June........ thank goodness he doesn't follow us.

 

And........ there is no way you can say it cost us the game...... unless you are bias or something...

Not bias. it did cost us the game. I just can't prove that my way woud have won the game. At least i have an argument. JF does not.

[SoxHop]

Not bias. it did cost us the game. I just can't prove that my way woud have won the game. At least i have an argument. JF does not.

 

I say it didn't cost us a game. We would have lost anyway.......... prove I'm not right...

[a700hitter]

I say it didn't cost us a game. We would have lost anyway.......... prove I'm not right...

I can't prove it, but you can't prove that we wouldn't have won. And JF cannot prove that his way didn't result in a loss. LOL!!

[SoxHop]

I can't prove it, but you can't prove that we wouldn't have won. And JF cannot prove that his way didn't result in a loss. LOL!!

 

ahahahha!!!!

 

You're an asss!!!!!

[SoxHop]

I'm calling stalemate....

 

Eduardo is better than the old Price..... but heck...... the new Price looked real good.

 

I can't beleive you gambled on the new Price..

[a700hitter]

I'm calling stalemate....

 

Eduardo is better than the old Price..... but heck...... the new Price looked real good.

 

I can't beleive you gambled on the new Price..

And that is a good point. He was an unknown for me after the long layoff and no rehab games, but I did hear that JF would use him either today or tomorrow, so I just figured if he was planning on using him today, I would have gone with him early. If he was going to blow up the game it didn't matter if he came in for the 6th or 7th, but i thought if he was sharp we might be able to get 3 inning from him. I had no idea what he was going to bring to the mound. He looked good, and that was encouraging.

[Larry Cook]

Rodriguez threw a very nice game.

 

Shame the zombies ruined it for him!

[SoxHop]

And that is a good point. He was an unknown for me after the long layoff and no rehab games, but I did hear that JF would use him either today or tomorrow, so I just figured if he was planning on using him today, I would have gone with him early. If he was going to blow up the game it didn't matter if he came in for the 6th or 7th, but i thought if he was sharp we might be able to get 3 inning from him. I had no idea what he was going to bring to the mound. He looked good, and that was encouraging.

 

he looked super sharp which suprised me. Like I said, Farrell has options if we get to the show........ Price as long releif is now an option.......... Farrell may earn his paycheck in the post season...

[cp176]

Now I'm not sure what I would have done with E-Rod yesterday but one thing to at least give some thought to is that we have a crapload of pitchers in the bullpen right now. Being the traditionalist that I am, i am against roster expansion but you might just as well take advantage of it. JF has lots of options to use. Might not like them all but they do have more available arms out there.

[Maxbialystock]

Now I'm not sure what I would have done with E-Rod yesterday but one thing to at least give some thought to is that we have a crapload of pitchers in the bullpen right now. Being the traditionalist that I am, i am against roster expansion but you might just as well take advantage of it. JF has lots of options to use. Might not like them all but they do have more available arms out there.

 

Too true. Multiple arms are great when you have a good lead or the other team has one early in the game. This was a 2-2 game in the 6th. Normally, that's when you go with your best arms. In Farrell's judgment, his best arm, based on the 5 previous innings, was ERod's, at least for that inning. And he did get the first two batters out. That's also why I made the point that Kimbrel and Reed were not available.

[Bellhorn04]

If you read Peter Abraham's Twitter feed from yesterday, he had some comments about the use of E-Rod in the 6th yesterday. He was surprised that E-Rod came out, then he said he had to assume E-Rod's last hitter would be the lefty Miller and Maddox would come in to face Sucre.

 

Didn't you just know, though, that a guy named Jesus Sucre was going to be trouble?

[Spudboy]

Wicked pisser...................

 

No no no.

 

It's "Wicked pissah".