9/2 at Yankees

[d-money]

What an implosion. Get the split tomorrow.

[BstHcpr]

Thank god NCAAF is back, and I don't have to watch the worst f***ing sport ever. So random.

[d-money]

It would take a heck of a comeback here but they need to show the ability to get hits.

[a700hitter]

We came back from 3 runs down in Fenway against the Yankees.

[Station 13]

Pom was nearing gassed, he pitch a tough game. You hearFarrell saying nearly all the time about stressful innings, only if his starters are included in it. Following the walk, he was done, as Headley was knocking Pom around.

[Maxbialystock]

First pitch dinger at a crucial moment. Have the Sox ever done that given the reluctance to swing at first pitches?

 

5th inning CS by Devers now inconsequential, but back in play is Farrell for giving up that dinger. It matters not that Pom sailed thru the two innings prior and had gone 5 giving up 1. Rightly seen, the manager is responsible for every bad thing his team does. Not the good things of course.

[Station 13]

Tanaka doesn't dare to throw in.

[BstHcpr]

First pitch dinger at a crucial moment. Have the Sox ever done that given the reluctance to swing at first pitches?

 

5th inning CS by Devers now inconsequential, but back in play is Farrell for giving up that dinger. It matters not that Pom sailed thru the two innings prior and had gone 5 giving up 1. Rightly seen, the manager is responsible for every bad thing his team does. Not the good things of course.

 

Ain't baseball grand??????????

[d-money]

That was too easy. Gotta get the split tomorrow with your ace.

[a700hitter]

First pitch dinger at a crucial moment. Have the Sox ever done that given the reluctance to swing at first pitches?

 

5th inning CS by Devers now inconsequential, but back in play is Farrell for giving up that dinger. It matters not that Pom sailed thru the two innings prior and had gone 5 giving up 1. Rightly seen, the manager is responsible for every bad thing his team does. Not the good things of course.

If they win, he gets to keep his job even if he is the biggest dope standing upright. That's plent of credit-- much of it undeserved.

[Maxbialystock]

Is it at all relevant that in this game the Sox have 4 hits, including 1 double, in 7 innings and that our lone run was not batted in but was the result of a wild pitch?

[Maxbialystock]

Yankees have now scored off Workman after Ellsbury triple.

[Station 13]

Workman has fringe stuff. weird mechanics.

[Station 13]

Hopefully Judge stays s***** indefinitely.

[oldtimer]

Yankees have now scored off Workman after Ellsbury triple.

 

We don't exactly have Brooks Robinson at 3rd out there but the run was going to score anyway on the grounder off of Devers glove. I do notice that Deverss has the casual approach to getting the ball over to first. He looks at the ball and takes a couple of steps before throwing, kind of from the Bogey school of making the throw. Coaches need to talk to him about that.

[Maxbialystock]

If they win, he gets to keep his job even if he is the biggest dope standing upright. That's plent of credit-- much of it undeserved.

 

Agree winning is the only metric for managers, including this one. You're in good company if you don't like Farrell. That is the overwhelming consensus on Talksox. I myself have called for his removal. The difference is I don't buy the hyperbole nor the thesis that a big chunk of losses can be charged to specific managerial decisions.

Edited September 2, 2017 by Maxbialystock

[Maxbialystock]

We don't exactly have Brooks Robinson at 3rd out there but the run was going to score anyway on the grounder off of Devers glove. I do notice that Deverss has the casual approach to getting the ball over to first. He looks at the ball and takes a couple of steps before throwing, kind of from the Bogey school of making the throw. Coaches need to talk to him about that.

 

I don't think he is casual-- tentative because he lacks confidence in his arm.

[Maxbialystock]

Somebody make an out so I can get some chores done. Saved by Moreland.

[a700hitter]

Agree winning is the only metric for managers, including this one. You're in good company if you don't like Farrell. That is the overwhelming consensus on Talksox. I myself have called for his removal. The difference is I don't buy the hyperbole nor the thesis that a big chunk of losses can be charged to specific managerial decisions.

Luckily for managers that stupid moves often go unrewarded.

[d-money]

s***** game! Gotta win tomorrow and split this series

[moonslav59]

Agree winning is the only metric for managers, including this one. You're in good company if you don't like Farrell. That is the overwhelming consensus on Talksox. I myself have called for his removal. The difference is I don't buy the hyperbole nor the thesis that a big chunk of losses can be charged to specific managerial decisions.

 

I've wanted JF gone for over a year, but the biggest reason is not poor managerial decisions gone wrong, but because this team is near totally void of any basic fundamental skills, and many of our losses can be tied to bonehead plays on defense, the base paths and elsewhere.

 

It's not just managerial decisions that cause losses. I guess you could call it a "decision" not to stress fundamentals, but that's just arguing semantics.

[moonslav59]

Luckily for managers that stupid moves often go unrewarded.

 

Eventually, it bites you in the ass.

[TylerD]

Another pitiful showing from the offense.

[SoxHop]

Crap..... Crappola game...

[Maxbialystock]

This is now the 8th game in a row--with last night being a fantastic and much needed exception--that the Sox hitters have been unable to get to the opposing starters. In the last 2 Orioles game we scored 1 run total. In the three Jays games, all wins, 1 run each against their three starters. Game 1 in NYC, 1 against Sabathia. Today 1 off of Tanaka.

 

While I defend Farrell on not bringing in Workman sooner today, I don't strenuously object to the naysayers. My point is, even the "right" decision wasn't going to fix the fact that our 1 run today in 8 innings is off of a wild pitch--to Mookie, whom Tanaka owns. Yes, Nunez doubled, but that was a lucky run.

 

We have pretty good pitching, but they can't win for us if the lineup doesn't do their part. You remember that excruciating final 2-1 loss to the Orioles when the Sox left 25 on base? Well, now we don't even do that. Tonight we left 6 on base. 0-4 with RISP of course.

[oldtimer]

This is now the 8th game in a row--with last night being a fantastic and much needed exception--that the Sox hitters have been unable to get to the opposing starters. In the last 2 Orioles game we scored 1 run total. In the three Jays games, all wins, 1 run each against their three starters. Game 1 in NYC, 1 against Sabathia. Today 1 off of Tanaka.

 

While I defend Farrell on not bringing in Workman sooner today, I don't strenuously object to the naysayers. My point is, even the "right" decision wasn't going to fix the fact that our 1 run today in 8 innings is off of a wild pitch--to Mookie, whom Tanaka owns. Yes, Nunez doubled, but that was a lucky run.

 

We have pretty good pitching, but they can't win for us if the lineup doesn't do their part. You remember that excruciating final 2-1 loss to the Orioles when the Sox left 25 on base? Well, now we don't even do that. Tonight we left 6 on base. 0-4 with RISP of course.

 

Give the Yankee pitching some credit today. Tanaka was very tough, keeping the ball down and giving up no really easy hits. I don't think JF had much to go to that he didn't use unless Pedey could have pinch hit. We are having a little lull in the hitting at this point with Devers not contributing like he did early and today not many hit the ball hard. Be nice if we could pull a few as our hard hit balls have

mainly gone to center.

 

Not many bright spots to talk about today. We did see Lin today as Holt has a sore foot and Pedey was giving he knee a rest after playing yesterday. Lin's defense is superior to anyone but Pedey and he does have a decent plate approach. He went 1 for 3.

[Maxbialystock]

Luckily for managers that stupid moves often go unrewarded.

 

Now why is that? Could it be that, while managers do have an important role in any game/season, baseball, far more than other team sports, depends more on the players and that the defining characteristic of a baseball game is the mano a mano confrontation between pitcher and hitter?

[Maxbialystock]

Give the Yankee pitching some credit today. Tanaka was very tough, keeping the ball down and giving up no really easy hits. I don't think JF had much to go to that he didn't use unless Pedey could have pinch hit. We are having a little lull in the hitting at this point with Devers not contributing like he did early and today not many hit the ball hard. Be nice if we could pull a few as our hard hit balls have

mainly gone to center.

 

Not many bright spots to talk about today. We did see Lin today as Holt has a sore foot and Pedey was giving he knee a rest after playing yesterday. Lin's defense is superior to anyone but Pedey and he does have a decent plate approach. He went 1 for 3.

 

Absolutely. Tanaka gets tons of credit, and so does Sabathia Thurs night. Heck, so does Fister last night. Good pitching usually trumps good hitting. But I'm talking about 7 out of 8 games and find it hard to believe we only got to 1 of the 8 starters when the 5 of the 7 bad hitting games were against the Orioles and Jays who are not know for their great pitching.

 

I commend you for your optimism on the hitting getting better. Last night I shared it. Now I'm not so sure.

[Maxbialystock]

I've wanted JF gone for over a year, but the biggest reason is not poor managerial decisions gone wrong, but because this team is near totally void of any basic fundamental skills, and many of our losses can be tied to bonehead plays on defense, the base paths and elsewhere.

 

It's not just managerial decisions that cause losses. I guess you could call it a "decision" not to stress fundamentals, but that's just arguing semantics.

 

"near totally void of any basic fundamental skills, and many of our losses can be tied to bonehead plays on defense, the base paths and elsewhere" is in my opinion unsupportable, especially the "tied to many of our losses" part.

 

As I have now said ad nauseum, to me the dominant fundamentals of baseball are hitting and pitching, and not a single player on this team can say he has not been coached on those fundamentals, not only here, but all the way back to age 10 or whenever. But coaching don't always produce the desired outcome because those two skills depend so heavily on the individual's innate skill and determination to improve. Defense is a fundamental, I certainly agree, but frankly don't see the lack of coaching.

 

Baseball to me is unique among major American team sports in that it requires an extensive apprenticeship and several levels of professional competition before even getting to the majors. That especially applies to hitting and pitching, but also to defense. And baserunning.

 

MLB teams are also unique in playing 162 games a year, and before every single one of those games hitting and defensive skills are practiced and practiced. Pitchers have to be careful of how much they pitch before games and in between games, but it's a certainty those sessions are carefully monitored and coached--to say nothing of video replays. No other major team sports practices remotely as much as MLB. There is no way, no how these players are not told, coached, instructed, videotaped, etc in those three fundamentals to a degree that boggles the mind.

 

In fact, my own theory is that lapses occur in part because the season is so darn long and the games so interminable. You can normally show every single play in a single game--but not all of the pitches-- in about 10 minutes, but it lasts 3.5 hours or so on average, and that time is dominated by the kabuki dances of pitcher and hitter mixed in with periodic meetings with catcher, coach, manager, and the odd infielder--all of whom have no interest in speeding up the game.

Edited September 2, 2017 by Maxbialystock

[a700hitter]

Now why is that? Could it be that, while managers do have an important role in any game/season, baseball, far more than other team sports, depends more on the players and that the defining characteristic of a baseball game is the mano a mano confrontation between pitcher and hitter?

The dynmaics of the game, but as Moon pointed out, eventually it bites you in the ass. Ask Mets fans who watched Terry Collins get out managed by Ned Yost and give away the 2015 World Series.