Travis Shaw

[User Name]

Touche.

[jung]

Tell me Hanley worked at LF...you can't

Tell me the Sox didn't tell him not to strain himself out there....you can't

Tell me he didn't eventually just start letting balls fall at his feet....you can't

 

Tell me Crawford was emotionally and physiologically wired to play in this town....you can't

 

Tell me Panda is not headed into this season as big as he was the end of last season realizing that Panda's pound packing period is IN-SEASON....you can't

 

What is bat s*** crazy is "gee I wonder why Hanley and Crawford failed in LF"...thats' bat s*** crazy

[cp176]

I dunno, I kinda like it for the same reason I sometimes enjoy watching Trump. Watching crazy people go full blown batshit is highly entertaining.

 

Politics here too these daze- really?

[User Name]

Well Trump is not a politician though, he's just a jackass, so it doesn't qualify as a politics discussion.

[cp176]

Well Trump is not a politician though, he's just a jackass, so it doesn't qualify as a politics discussion.

 

wait - Would that be one of those donkey like jackasses I've been hearing about?

[jacksonianmarch]

Shaw is going to get his shot. Remember, Farrell is on the hot seat. If the team comes out sucking eggs and Hanley or Pablo are battling Mendoza for bragging rights, then he's gonna play. The question is, can he do it again this yr or is he a flash in the pan kind of player?

[mvp 78]

If the team comes out sucking eggs, Farrell is fired.

[Dojji]

I think they'll juggle personnel at least once before firing the manager, but if we're bad by the end of may the ownership is going to give the guy they bring in to turn things around a chance to squeeze a comeback in if possible

[mvp 78]

I think they'll juggle personnel at least once before firing the manager, but if we're bad by the end of may the ownership is going to give the guy they bring in to turn things around a chance to squeeze a comeback in if possible

 

DUMBrowski fired Phil Garner after an 0-6 start for Detroit. I don't think he'd hesitate to do it again. Considering the Moran story leaked a few weeks ago, the writing is on the wall. Ownership and the FO is ready to move on.

[Dojji]

Then they really should be doing it right the now, and get the new manager in here to start working with people and getting his feet under him. The only way this way of doing things makes sense is if they already know exactly who would be the next manager and he's already in-house.

 

Hmm... that said, anyone know what Jason varitek is doing this Spring?

[a700hitter]

DUMBrowski fired Phil Garner after an 0-6 start for Detroit. I don't think he'd hesitate to do it again. Considering the Moran story leaked a few weeks ago, the writing is on the wall. Ownership and the FO is ready to move on.

Yep, the writing is on the wall. I suspect that the Moran story got out there so prominently, because ownership made no attempt to put a lid on it.

[sk7326]

Then they really should be doing it right the now, and get the new manager in here to start working with people and getting his feet under him. The only way this way of doing things makes sense is if they already know exactly who would be the next manager and he's already in-house.

 

Hmm... that said, anyone know what Jason varitek is doing this Spring?

 

I think the big question for them is whether Lovullo would take the job permanently - he is ridiculously qualified. He might be sensitive to replacing his best friend under these circumstances. Jason Varitek has never filled out a lineup card at any level - the idea of him managing is cute but a generally poor idea.

 

If you are going to go a route like that, Alex Cora would be a far far more reasonable guy to look at.

[Dojji]

i could get behind the idea of Alex Cora.

[Dojji]

here's the question I have about this Hanley-to-first stuff. Let's say Panda does get hurt, or bounce out of the lineup due to bad performance, and Shaw has to play every day. Are you really going to play Shaw at third and Hanley at first when Hanley has far more experience at third between the two of them, and Shaw the most experience at first? In what universe does that make any sense at all?

[User Name]

That honestly depends on the amount of competence Shaw displays at third base.

[a700hitter]

here's the question I have about this Hanley-to-first stuff. Let's say Panda does get hurt, or bounce out of the lineup due to bad performance, and Shaw has to play every day. Are you really going to play Shaw at third and Hanley at first when Hanley has far more experience at third between the two of them, and Shaw the most experience at first? In what universe does that make any sense at all?

It does not. It is best to play as few players as possible out of position. It wouldn't make sense to play 2 players out of position when switching them would result in only 1 player playing out of position (Hanley at 3rd), and Hanley would probably be a more natural fit at 3rd than at 1st.

[mvp 78]

here's the question I have about this Hanley-to-first stuff. Let's say Panda does get hurt, or bounce out of the lineup due to bad performance, and Shaw has to play every day. Are you really going to play Shaw at third and Hanley at first when Hanley has far more experience at third between the two of them, and Shaw the most experience at first? In what universe does that make any sense at all?

 

The same universe where Shaw played 100+ games at 3b in the minors. That's more games at 3b than Ramirez has played his entire career.

[jung]

How many years has it been since we have seen Hanley throw in earnest? Certainly not since the shoulders came apart. I really don't think Hanley can throw across the diamond with anything remotely approaching consistency which is probably why 3rd is out...why they don't even talk about 3rd for Hanley.

 

I think the Sox will do everything they can to get Shaw, Ortiz and Hanley in the lineup and batting order at the same time. They will put Shaw in LF some and risk his glove out there. Not much of a risk IMO as Castillo is not the fielder some think he is. They will put Shaw at 3rd sometimes. Surely they will put him at 1st to spell Hanley as well. But the Sox will really want Shaw, Hanley and Ortiz in the batting order at the same time.

 

This will also mean they won't have to worry as much about how much progress Vaz has made as a hitter when he comes back. They need enough punch in the order so Vaz, by far the best defensive catcher and the best receiver they have can be in the lineup. Will Hanley hit the way DD wants to hit and not the way Hanley wants to hit. Frankly, what hopes this team has probably hinges on that. Light candles folks....cross fingers.....

[mvp 78]

That honestly depends on the amount of competence Shaw displays at third base.

 

He can recreate with Pablo is currently doing at the very least.

[mvp 78]

How many years has it been since we have seen Hanley throw in earnest? Certainly not since the shoulders came apart. I really don't think Hanley can throw across the diamond with anything remotely approaching consistency which is probably why 3rd is out...why they don't even talk about 3rd for Hanley.

 

I think the Sox will do everything they can to get Shaw, Ortiz and Hanley in the lineup and batting order at the same time. They will put Shaw in LF some and risk his glove out there. Not much of a risk IMO as Castillo is not the fielder some think he is. They will put Shaw at 3rd sometimes. Surely they will put him at 1st to spell Hanley as well. But the Sox will really want Shaw, Hanley and Ortiz in the batting order at the same time.

 

This will also mean they won't have to worry as much about how much progress Vaz has made as a hitter when he comes back. They need enough punch in the order so Vaz, by far the best defensive catcher and the best receiver they have can be in the lineup. Will Hanley hit the way DD wants to hit and not the way Hanley wants to hit. Frankly, what hopes this team has probably hinges on that. Light candles folks....cross fingers.....

 

Hanley will be fine. The problem is the current starting 3b and the inconsistency of the starting rotation (bigger problem than Pablo honestly).

[User Name]

DD is going to have to get a starter mid-season either way it seems. Why that was not addressed during the offseason is beyond me.

[Dojji]

Sometimes even when the need is there, the right deal isn't. you can't force other teams to give up the starters you want to fill your need. At the deadline new opportunities may arise that DD will pounce on.

[mvp 78]

Sometimes even when the need is there, the right deal isn't. you can't force other teams to give up the starters you want to fill your need. At the deadline new opportunities may arise that DD will pounce on.

 

They forced themselves to sign two 3bs last year when they only needed one.

 

If they really believed they needed another SP, they would have used a few more minor league trading pieces to get one. DUMBrowski must believe the rotation has enough depth to compete.

[Dojji]

Well it's not that they need a SP, our depth is frankly impressive, if not particularly reliable, so they need a particularly high quality SP, and that's a problem because there are few of those available at the best of times. We did pretty well to bag Price.

 

And I thought we discussed that Hanley wasn't really a 3b anymore. They got a DH when they already had one, which was silly.

[a700hitter]

DD is going to have to get a starter mid-season either way it seems. Why that was not addressed during the offseason is beyond me.

It was a glaring need. I was certain that e would add 2 pitchers to rebuild the staff.

[Dojji]

Which two pitchers? Name the other one we should and could have acquired.

 

It's easy to say "get a pitcher." The devil is very much in the details.

[a700hitter]

Which two pitchers? Name the other one we should and could have acquired.

 

It's easy to say "get a pitcher." The devil is very much in the details.

True. But I think there was ample opportunity to get another pitcher if DD wanted one. A lot of pitchers changed laundry in the off season. I would have favored getting Shields for Sandoval in a swap of big contracts.

[mvp 78]

Well it's not that they need a SP, our depth is frankly impressive, if not particularly reliable, so they need a particularly high quality SP, and that's a problem because there are few of those available at the best of times. We did pretty well to bag Price.

 

If your depth isn't reliable, it's not exactly impressive...

[mvp 78]

True. But I think there was ample opportunity to get another pitcher if DD wanted one. A lot of pitchers changed laundry in the off season. I would have favored getting Shields for Sandoval in a swap of big contracts.

 

They are banging the drum for a late ST trade in these parts. Ramirez's agent was at JetBlue the other day. Many believe this either means that they are looking into trade opportunities for Hanley or maybe even just find any other zip code for Panda. I don't see why SD would make that move though.

[a700hitter]

They are banging the drum for a late ST trade in these parts. Ramirez's agent was at JetBlue the other day. Many believe this either means that they are looking into trade opportunities for Hanley or maybe even just find any other zip code for Panda. I don't see why SD would make that move though.

All that Panda gear and memorabilia?