Sandoval or Headley?

[Bellhorn04]

Every time I get on the internet, I'm hoping to see that Sandoval has signed with the Giants. The contract he'll get is just nuts. He's had 1 year in the last 5, and none in the last 3, that are worth that kind of money. Meanwhile, Headley gives you similar value for half the money, but I haven't even heard that the Sox have any interest in him. For the WAR crowd, Headley has a higher fWAR than Sandoval in 4 of the last 5 years, and has a higher total WAR over the past x years, no matter the value of x. If the Sox are going to spend like the Yankees or Dodgers, then sure what the hell sign Sandoval, otherwise it doesn't make much sense.

 

5 @ 19 doesn't strike me as nuts anymore, the way contracts are going.

[Spudboy]

5/95 seems like an overpay to me.

 

Salaries continue to escalate. Average type players are getting crazy money. If Sandoval signs with the Sox then great. At least the fans will have a new toy to pay attention to. And 3rd base will be covered for a while, I guess. Just seems like way to much money for the return.

 

I'm kind of sick of the whole thing now.

[jd98]

yeah, crazy contracts is the new normal. So does that mean they aren't crazy, or maybe I'm just crazy. I don't know anymore.

[Palodios]

Generally, if you have a big, fat, slow corner infielder, wouldn't you expect him to hit atleast 20 HR a season before paying him 20 million a year? I get it. He's 28, and bats in a pitcher park and has been fairly consistently above average. But isn't there someone else out there?

 

100 million puts him in David Wright/Adrian Beltre/Evan Longoria territory. He's not even in the same planet as those guys. Why not give Headley a 1/15 pillow contract with incentives? Or check in on Beltre/ Donaldson?

 

If Panda gets 100 million with a .720 OPS, Papi is going to be pissed to be crushing that OPS for half the money. And he well should be.

[Spudboy]

Papi makes half that?

 

I thought he was on a 2/30 or 2/32 deal.

 

In any case I agree with you.

[Bellhorn04]

Papi makes half that?

 

I thought he was on a 2/30 or 2/32 deal.

 

In any case I agree with you.

 

He is. It's the team options for 2016 and 2017 that are at $10 million per.

[seabeachfred]

Every time I get on the internet, I'm hoping to see that Sandoval has signed with the Giants. The contract he'll get is just nuts. He's had 1 year in the last 5, and none in the last 3, that are worth that kind of money. Meanwhile, Headley gives you similar value for half the money, but I haven't even heard that the Sox have any interest in him. For the WAR crowd, Headley has a higher fWAR than Sandoval in 4 of the last 5 years, and has a higher total WAR over the past x years, no matter the value of x. If the Sox are going to spend like the Yankees or Dodgers, then sure what the hell sign Sandoval, otherwise it doesn't make much sense.

 

If the Red Sox ahead and sign the portly third sacker it will go down as one of the more disastrous signings in a recent history of a lot of miserable signings. His OPS has gone south four years in a row, he is a overweight player whose ticketed only to get heavier as he gets older, he doesn't have 25-30 home run power, and it will impact our ability to get those two standout starters that we need to contend next season. It looks to me as if the Red Sox are determined to make a "Big Splash" and what may result is the splash becoming a sinking. And now it looks like the Giants no longer want him.

 

And that my friends should be a red flag to those boobs in our front office.

Edited November 22, 2014 by seabeachfred

[Dojji]

I agree. Shades of the Crawford signing. The man is talented, but he's not consistent enough to put up good counting stats, and that's telling. You pay beaucoup bucks for consistency, not potential.

 

Sandoval would be the wrong move at the wrong time for the wrong team. Headley's not much better, but given the choice of the two of them go for the one that is not ludicrously overhyped rather than the one that is.

[Northern Star]

If the Red Sox ahead and sign the portly third sacker it will go down as one of the more disastrous signings in a recent history of a lot of miserable signings. His OPS has gone south four years in a row, he is a overweight player whose ticketed only to get heavier as he gets older, he doesn't have 25-30 home run power, and it will impact our ability to get those two standout starters that we need to contend next season. It looks to me as if the Red Sox are determined to make a "Big Splash" and what may result is the splash becoming a sinking. And now it looks like the Giants no longer want him.

 

And that my friends should be a red flag to those boobs in our front office.

 

^ this. How long are big boy's knees gonna hold out carrying that extra weight around?

 

I'd like someone to do a stat of the ratio of runs lost (not scored) to weight slowing down the player on the basepaths.

[jacksonianmarch]

I heard the Padres made the biggest offer. I hope that is untrue. I want him on the sox. He'll make you better in 2015, but he's a guy primed to be a salary anchor starting soon

[BornToRun]

I heard the Padres made the biggest offer. I hope that is untrue. I want him on the sox. He'll make you better in 2015, but he's a guy primed to be a salary anchor starting soon

 

This post scares me. If anybody knows about salary anchors, it's Yankees fans.

[Northern Star]

just gonna sit back and watch history repeat itself. good times.

[dupree]

The Sandoval camp is said to be requesting that all final offers be submitted and he could sign as early as next week. Even with the Padres being the highest bidder I think Panda sees that he finishes his career like Papi has done as a DH. Plus that may be the only thing his body will allow him to do. So I see an AL team having the upper hand in signing him. Also with Napoli contract off the books and with a dismal production season in 2015 Napoli can be gone with either Sandoval, Craig (if he's here), or one of the young guns WMB or Travis Shaw manning 1st in 2016 or a resign of Nap if he produces. Either way the Sox have options with him other than leaving him at the hot corner and I don't think he will finish out this contract in that position.

 

I was hoping Lester would be the first piece to fall, but beggers can't be chosers. And now the Sox are begging for production at 3rd. It's just a await and see but I think Panda is more likely to come here or Toronto than go to the Padres or the Giants.

[SoxFanForsyth]

Seems like Sandoval may be the piece that teeters the offseason for the Sox.

 

Sign Panda? Send Cecchini over along with Owens and Marrero for Hamels, then sign Lester and let guys like Workman, Webster, and RDLR round out the pen and the 5th slot in the rotation.

 

Perhaps they give Masterson 1/10 and line him up in the 5 slot. He has the potential to be a Cy Young candidate when he's right (2011, 2013).

[dupree]

1/10 would be awesome if he would take a pillow contract to rebuild his value. I still see some club giving him a 3 year deal tho.

[SoxFanForsyth]

 

So....sounds like Hanley is heading to Boston

[jacksonianmarch]

This sounds like bunk

[SoxFanForsyth]

This sounds like bunk

 

So you hope.

 

Same guy who broke Stanton extension and said the Cards were favorites on Heyward two days before anyone broke that.

 

Hanley and Stanton have the same agents. Sounds like these guys have an in with those agents.

 

Depending on how early in the signing it is, it could be 3-4 hours before it breaks by the national writers

[BSN07]

That would be surprising. It doesn't look to have caught on anywhere else yet. Normally I'd call BS like Jacko did but since the guy has broke a few things lately I'll let it play out. Edited November 23, 2014 by BSN07

[SoxFanForsyth]

Another thing is that Bowden said in the radio that when he got this tweet, he texted both camps for confirmation/denial. He did not receive any response from either camp. He said on air that typically when he will send a text asking about the validity of a rumor, he gets an immediate response shooting down the rumor. Given that he received no response, perhaps there is more to it.

[BSN07]

We shall see. If it's true I don't imagine it will stay quiet for long.

[SoxFanForsyth]

Comin in hot!!!

 

[a700hitter]

If they are seriously looking to get Sandoval and HanRam, they don't have a lot of belief in XBs upside.

[a700hitter]

Tickets go on sale in 2 weeks. I think they will make 1 or 2 big moves before the Christmas at Fenway kickoff.

[SoxFanForsyth]

If they are seriously looking to get Sandoval and HanRam, they don't have a lot of belief in XBs upside.

 

HanRam in LF

[a700hitter]

HanRam in LF

did you read or hear that? He would be thrown into the OF and Castillo gets CF leaving Craig, Victorino, Cespedes and Betts to fight over RF? I' m not seeing that.

[jd98]

They can't really be planning on signing Hanley and Sandoval. I thought just Sandoval was crazy for that money, but signing him after adding Hanley is beyond comprehension for me. Maybe they're planning on a $200+ million payroll. That's the only way I can understand it.

[SoxFanForsyth]

did you read or hear that? He would be thrown into the OF and Castillo gets CF leaving Craig, Victorino, Cespedes and Betts to fight over RF? I' m not seeing that.

 

It's what WEEI is reporting.

 

Obviously there would be a corresponding move. Cespedes and Victorino likely would get dealt for a SP.

 

Outfield would be HanRam - Castillo - Betts.

 

Lucchino spoke strongly prior to 2013 about building a team with deep depth, ie players who are very good and can play multiple positions so that when injuries occur, they are still in good position.

 

Hanley can play SS/3B/LF. He would be a solid addition

[SoxFanForsyth]

They can't really be planning on signing Hanley and Sandoval. I thought just Sandoval was crazy for that money, but signing him after adding Hanley is beyond comprehension for me. Maybe they're planning on a $200+ million payroll. That's the only way I can understand it.

 

They have pennies on the books in 2016. Like 42mm. They can blow past the LT this year and recoup in 2016, no problem at all.

[a700hitter]

It's what WEEI is reporting.

 

Obviously there would be a corresponding move. Cespedes and Victorino likely would get dealt for a SP.

 

Outfield would be HanRam - Castillo - Betts.

 

Lucchino spoke strongly prior to 2013 about building a team with deep depth, ie players who are very good and can play multiple positions so that when injuries occur, they are still in good position.

 

Hanley can play SS/3B/LF. He would be a solid addition

Or maybe they package up XB to land a starting pitcher?