8/3 Vs. NYY

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

Why don't you just tuck in your horns and admit that I know what the f*** I'm talking about. You may be a very good and loyal fan but I'm amazed at the stupidity you show when it comes to Bradley worthlessness and Bogaerts choking. Instead of trying to insult me just admit I pretty much right about these things and I might pipe down. And make no mistake about it, when it comes to those two I am about as right as can be. Listen and learn for a change.

 

You don't get a cookie for being right. Congrats, I'm right about s*** too. Here's the thing

 

 

NO ONE f***ING CARES.

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

Why don't you just tuck in your horns and admit that I know what the f*** I'm talking about. You may be a very good and loyal fan but I'm amazed at the stupidity you show when it comes to Bradley worthlessness and Bogaerts choking. Instead of trying to insult me just admit I pretty much right about these things and I might pipe down. And make no mistake about it, when it comes to those two I am about as right as can be. Listen and learn for a change.

No one here is falling for your ********, you pathetic old man.

[Palodios]

Why don't you just tuck in your horns and admit that I know what the f*** I'm talking about. You may be a very good and loyal fan but I'm amazed at the stupidity you show when it comes to Bradley worthlessness and Bogaerts choking. Instead of trying to insult me just admit I pretty much right about these things and I might pipe down. And make no mistake about it, when it comes to those two I am about as right as can be. Listen and learn for a change.

 

Fred, you spent all offseason telling everyone that building depth at SS and the outfield was a mistake, and that the Red Sox should go all in with Xander and Bradley. At some point in Spring Training, you started backpedaling on that. You were wrong then, and you recanted your story. That doesn't make you right. Please stop claiming you were right, because you were not.

 

If you want to talk about lessons, here is an important one. Learn to admit when you were wrong, because in baseball it will happen a lot, even for the professionals.

 

Watch this: I was very wrong about David Ortiz being done in 2009. Not the end of the world.

[reYoukilis]

Fred, you spent all offseason telling everyone that building depth at SS and the outfield was a mistake, and that the Red Sox should go all in with Xander and Bradley. At some point in Spring Training, you started backpedaling on that. You were wrong then, and you recanted your story. That doesn't make you right. Please stop claiming you were right, because you were not.

Sure wasnt, I remember him saying the same thing.

 

And also, why no mention of Buchholz? Seven runs should be plenty and all I hear is Bradley this and Xander that. They shouldntve had to score. And frankly am worried again about the moves made at the trade deadline. Pitching is more important than offense and now Buchholz is our leader? I mean the manner in which he is giving up these leads and killing any and all momentum is startling to say the least.

[a700hitter]

As soon as Fred makes a call, lots of posters invest a lot of time telling him why he is a nut. There is always a visceral, emotional response. I disagree with Fred about a lot of stuff. I thought the Drew move was a good move, but I didn't rant for him to STFU. That would have been stupid on my part, because I didn't know how it would turn out. I still am on the fence with XB. I am hoping that the switch back to SS turns things around for him, but again, I am not attacking him for his XB position, because there aren't any good signs yet. A lot of you attacked Fred from the get go. That looks like a mistake. Now, when it has become obvious to everyone except the willfully blind and those who can't bear the thought of Fred being right, that the Drew acquisition was a bungle and that Bradley can't hit, you are all whining when Fred serves up the crow. Last night, ESPN pointed out the futility of Bradley just as much as we did in the game thread. Also, there is some displaced anger here. Fred didn't make this team suck, so stop all your fuming.

[SoxFanForsyth]

You're on!!!!!!!! You call the bet for whatever you want and we will set it up. He is not the real deal....He is a choker who had better begin to come through when needed or he will be just another prospect who flamed out.

 

Good deal. It'll just be a sig bet (sorry, no money bets allowed, I got a wife that is 37 weeks pregnant so I can't be dropping money on stuff like this).

 

I'll bet that by next year he will be a top 5 SS by fangraphs WAR.

[a700hitter]

If you all want to be angry, think about the stupidity of Farrell letting Buchholz blow two 3 run leads letting him pitch horribly into the 5th inning and over 100 pitches. What was going on there? Was he trying to get Buch a W? He didn't deserve one. There is no way that the outing was going to build confidence after the 2nd inning. It was lunacy. Everyone watching the game could tell that Buch was on a path to destruction last night. If you really want to get furious listen to John Sterling's call of Gardners homer. "Gardy goes Yardy!" Edited August 4, 2014 by a700hitter

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

As soon as Fred makes a call, lots of posters invest a lot of time telling him why he is a nut. There is always a visceral, emotional response. I disagree with Fred about a lot of stuff. I thought the Drew move was a good move, but I didn't rant for him to STFU. That would have been stupid on my part, because I didn't know how it would turn out. I still am on the fence with XB. I am hoping that the switch back to SS turns things around for him, but again, I am not attacking him for his XB position, because there aren't any good signs yet. A lot of you attacked Fred from the get go. That looks like a mistake. Now, when it has become obvious to everyone except the willfully blind and those who can't bear the thought of Fred being right, that the Drew acquisition was a bungle and that Bradley can't hit, you are all whining when Fred serves up the crow. Last night, ESPN pointed out the futility of Bradley just as much as we did in the game thread. Also, there is some displaced anger here. Fred didn't make this team suck, so stop all your fuming.

 

It's different when you're a broken record and telling people to "say I'm right" a million times. When I'm right about something, I don't say "I told you guys I was right!! You all need to admit I'm right and you are wrong." If that's not bad enough, he hates XB and JBJ so much that he mentions them in almost every single post. Buchholz shits the bed vs the Yankees? Bash XB and JBJ. Red Sox combine for only 3 hits? Blame XB and JBJ. Anytime they lose? Blame XB and JBJ for being in the lineup. Look we all get it, he doesn't like them. That's cool, but he needs to knock it off. You can defend him all you want, he's going to continue getting s*** from me and a few other posters.

[kapsis21]

If you all wantr to be angry, think about the stupidity of Farrell letting Buchholz blow two 3 run leads letting him pitch horribly into the 5th inning and over 100 pitches. What was going on there? Was he trying to get Buch a W? He didn't deserve one. There is no way that the outing was going to build confidence after the 2nd inning. It was lunacy. Everyone watching the game could tell that Buch was on a path to destruction last night. If you really want to get furious listen to John Sterling's call of Gardners homer. "Gardy goes Yardy!"

 

part of Farrell trying to tell Buccholz you are the leader and if you can get out of the mess you created. we are last as it is.

I for one was perfectly fine with him sticking with Buccholz. it was Drew who had a .179 avg and if he serves him a pitch down the middle there isnt much anybody can do there. This loss was entirely on Bucch hands down.

[a700hitter]

You can defend him all you want, he's going to continue getting s*** from me and a few other posters.

I am not defending him. Just pointing out that when the guy is right, he is going to shove it in your face because of the amount of s*** he gets from you and others. You need to stop whining like a wuss. Everyone here is a broken record about something. Fred is no different. Sometimes I skip over people's posts when they become repetitive. You should try it instead of getting your panties all in a bunch.

 

I completely disagreed with him about the Drew signing. Yet, he isn't shoving it in my face, because I didn't call him an old crackpot and a broken record and STFU etc. People will treat you the way you treat them. It is as simple as that. I am not defending him. HE does pretty well at that himself. As for just criticizing XB and Automatic Out, Jr., do you remember how he felt about Drew? LOL! Plus, I am pretty sure that he is not to fond of Buch either. LOL!

 

Let me ask you this, should Betts be playing over Bradley? He has had almost 500 major league plate appearances-- hitting .214 and OPS ing at .601 and falling.

[a700hitter]

part of Farrell trying to tell Buccholz you are the leader and if you can get out of the mess you created. we are last as it is.

I for one was perfectly fine with him sticking with Buccholz. it was Drew who had a .179 avg and if he serves him a pitch down the middle there isnt much anybody can do there. This loss was entirely on Bucch hands down.

There was nothing to be gained from leaving him in so long. The outing had no chance of building his confidence. Farrell should have cut his and Buch's losses and taken him out before he had a chance to give back the lead a second time. An outing like last night's, damaged the kid much more than it helped him. Plus he used over 100 bullets. If he got him out of there after 75 or 80 pitches, maybe he'd be a little stronger the next time out. This "the season is over" mantra is ********. Pedey doesn't mail it in. Papi is still hitting his HRs. Vasquez is playing his heart out. When Craig returns, he'll be tring to win a spot for next season. Guys are playing hard and trying to change the losing atmosphere, so giving Farrell mulligan after mulligan for stupid move after stupid move is a copout. Beyond not giving the team a chance to win the game, he did nothing to help his pitcher. It was like a cornerman leaving his boxer out there to take a beating. Edited August 4, 2014 by a700hitter

[Palodios]

There was nothing to be gained from leaving him in so long. The outing had no chance of building his confidence. Farrell should have cut his and Buch's losses and taken him out before he had a chance to give back the lead a second time. An outing like last night's, damage the kid much more than it helped him. Plus he used over 100 bullets. If he got him out of there after 75 or 80 pitches, maybe he'd be a little stronger the next time out. This "the season is over" mantra is ********. Pedey doesn't mail it in. Papi is still hitting his HRs. Vasquez is playing his heart out. When Craig returns, he'll be tring to win a spot for next season. Guys are playing hard and trying to change the losing atmosphere, so giving Farrell mulligan after mulligan for stupid move after stupid move is a copout. Beyond not giving the team a chance to win the game, he did nothing to help his pitcher. It was like a cornerman leaving his boxer out there to take a beating.

 

Yesterday's starter went 2.2 innings, and the bullpen was in tough shape. The earlier you bring in the bullpen, the sooner we have to see Steven Wright. This game was on Buch, not Farrell.

[a700hitter]

Yesterday's starter went 2.2 innings, and the bullpen was in tough shape. The earlier you bring in the bullpen, the sooner we have to see Steven Wright. This game was on Buch, not Farrell.

And how much worse could it have gotten by going to the pen? I never said that the game wasn't on Buch, but it was pretty obvious that Buch couldn't hold a 10 run lead last night, so what could Farrell have hoped to achieve by letting Buch take the beating that everyone knew was inevitable? It was painful to watch. Farrell needs to be trying to achieve something whether that be giving guys a look to see if they can help next year or to build up someone's confidence or to help a player learn a new position, etc., but have some goal. Leaving Buch in was nothing but detrimental to Buch and team morale, which at this point still means something. Build up a winning atmosphere at the end and maybe it carries over to next season. The losing atmosphere at the end of 2011 carried over big time to 2012. Edited August 4, 2014 by a700hitter

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

I am not defending him. Just pointing out that when the guy is right, he is going to shove it in your face because of the amount of s*** he gets from you and others. You need to stop whining like a wuss. Everyone here is a broken record about something. Fred is no different. Sometimes I skip over people's posts when they become repetitive. You should try it instead of getting your panties all in a bunch.

 

I completely disagreed with him about the Drew signing. Yet, he isn't shoving it in my face, because I didn't call him an old crackpot and a broken record and STFU etc. People will treat you the way you treat them. It is as simple as that. I am not defending him. HE does pretty well at that himself. As for just criticizing XB and Automatic Out, Jr., do you remember how he felt about Drew? LOL! Plus, I am pretty sure that he is not to fond of Buch either. LOL!

 

Let me ask you this, should Betts be playing over Bradley? He has had almost 500 major league plate appearances-- hitting .214 and OPS ing at .601 and falling.

 

Well I say you're defending him because every time I reply to SBF, you have an answer for me. I don't really need your input, but thanks I guess. You might say I sound like a wuss, that's fine with me. Lots of people feel the same way about Fred. There's a reason why multiple posters feel the same way I do about this. You are one of the few to seem ok with it. No poster besides you has mentioned anything about the way I post. I will tone it down, but all I ask is that Fred calms the hell down. At first it was understandable. We're all pissed and he doesn't like certain players. Now it's just getting old. We're not getting anywhere with this, so this will be the last thing I say to you. In the future, let me handle my business with the poster I reply to. Thanks

[Station 13]

Taz/Koji ended up pitching anyway. Both will be on fumes by final day of August if every starter is pitching 2-5 innings. Clean up this mess immediately by placing Buccholz on the DL and get a random starter who could easily not pitch to a 6.20 ERA. It would be extraordinary feat to find anyone who sucks that badly.

 

He cannot be anywhere near the 2015 team as well.

[seabeachfred]

You don't get a cookie for being right. Congrats, I'm right about s*** too. Here's the thing

 

 

NO ONE f***ING CARES.

 

As long as you keep attacking me for being right on some things, I going to keep rubbing it in your face when it turns out the way I predicted it would. I also have to question just how much you know if you can't see with your own eyeballs that Bradley can't hit and Betts should be our CF because he can do all the things Jackie can't. Also, keep in mind that I admit when I am wrong as I thought Bradley might be the answer before the season. I was terribly wrong there and recanted when I saw how pathetic he looked in ST. The guy has a slow bat and can't get around on a good fastball. That equals a weak hitter who most likely will not get better. I was also wrong when I said in 2012 that Jon Lester was on his way out as a top notch pitcher. If you weren't so blinded by hatred for me you would have been able to see that. Anyway, I have my own cookies and don't need any of yours. Wake the hell up. This team is in deep s***.

[seabeachfred]

No one here is falling for your ********, you pathetic old man.

 

You don't have to fall for anything because with s*** for brains you have a built in excuse. I answered RSFFL because he still has some redeeming qualities. You're beyond hopeless, so pathetic in fact that I'm putting you on ignore. You might also change your handle because you wouldn't be a good scab on Ellsbury's ass. This is the last time I will say anything to you, you worthless young punk.

[reYoukilis]

Well lets see if hes got a start left in him. I thought Buchholz was like AJP, a drag on the team. When they got rid of AJP, good things happened, until Buchholz. Therefore Buchholz is the next branch to prune. What Buchholz is doing affects much more than one game, it affects the entire team and starts losing streaks, stops momentum, makes playing less fun, injects doubt etc.. To be solely responsible for losing a rubber match against the Yankees and in the manner it was done is bad, bad, bad, bad. We keep on going back to square one.

 

Contrast that with Lester who was a losing streak killer who bought time for the offense to get its s*** together. Guess which person is still with us? Same w/Lackey.

[seabeachfred]

Fred, you spent all offseason telling everyone that building depth at SS and the outfield was a mistake, and that the Red Sox should go all in with Xander and Bradley. At some point in Spring Training, you started backpedaling on that. You were wrong then, and you recanted your story. That doesn't make you right. Please stop claiming you were right, because you were not.

 

If you want to talk about lessons, here is an important one. Learn to admit when you were wrong, because in baseball it will happen a lot, even for the professionals.

 

Watch this: I was very wrong about David Ortiz being done in 2009. Not the end of the world.

 

Yes I was very wrong and admitted it. All I had to see was Bradley at the plate flailing away and was convinced this kid was not going to hit. His mechanics and bat speed are pathetically slow. Unlike some others I did not stubbornly insist black was white. When I turned on Bradley I admitted my previous belief were tainted....and that is admitting you're wrong.

[seabeachfred]

Well I say you're defending him because every time I reply to SBF, you have an answer for me. I don't really need your input, but thanks I guess. You might say I sound like a wuss, that's fine with me. Lots of people feel the same way about Fred. There's a reason why multiple posters feel the same way I do about this. You are one of the few to seem ok with it. No poster besides you has mentioned anything about the way I post. I will tone it down, but all I ask is that Fred calms the hell down. At first it was understandable. We're all pissed and he doesn't like certain players. Now it's just getting old. We're not getting anywhere with this, so this will be the last thing I say to you. In the future, let me handle my business with the poster I reply to. Thanks

 

We both need a time out RSFFL. How about we both calm down a little and see if we can have a meeting of the minds. I know I do come on strong at times but my e xcuse in my deep partisanship for the Red Sox. How about our next posts to each other be in a spirit of friendship?

[a700hitter]

Well I say you're defending him because every time I reply to SBF, you have an answer for me. I don't really need your input, but thanks I guess. You might say I sound like a wuss, that's fine with me. Lots of people feel the same way about Fred. There's a reason why multiple posters feel the same way I do about this. You are one of the few to seem ok with it. No poster besides you has mentioned anything about the way I post. I will tone it down, but all I ask is that Fred calms the hell down. At first it was understandable. We're all pissed and he doesn't like certain players. Now it's just getting old. We're not getting anywhere with this, so this will be the last thing I say to you. In the future, let me handle my business with the poster I reply to. Thanks

Handle it yourself. It was just some advice. I don't know if you realize it, but you step into defend UN? all the time. Keep that in mind ,and don't be a hypocrite. I have no problem with you or any of the others. Our team sucks, and there is a lot to complain about, so there will be plenty of broken records from now until we see meaningful baseball again in 8 more months.

 

You chose not to answer my question about playing Betts vs. Bradley. Do you have a preference?

[Spudboy]

Would love to make any kind of bet with anyone about Bogaerts being the real deal, because he is.

 

He may be. But it's possible that he could have benefited by spending a complete year ( or close to it ) in Pawtucket to refine all aspects of his game.

 

Hopefully his experiences this year will help build him into the player he is projected to be.

[Spudboy]

why don't we go for a home to first DP there???

 

Because Buchholtz made a mistake.

[Spudboy]

Wonder if he works the count unless he sees a first pitch that is middle middle and just swings out of his shoes. A lot of the Sox players (Pedroia, Nava, etc) won't swing at a first pitch even if its dead middle, which can be frustrating.

 

Based on the small sample size of his Boston tenure this is what I see too. I think that it's unlikely that he will change his approach just because he is now with an OBP team.

 

We'll just have to see. His current OBP is Bradleyish which is worrisome. But when he starts to run into them few people will care.

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

Handle it yourself. It was just some advice. I don't know if you realize it, but you step into defend UN? all the time. Keep that in mind ,and don't be a hypocrite. I have no problem with you or any of the others. Our team sucks, and there is a lot to complain about, so there will be plenty of broken records from now until we see meaningful baseball again in 8 more months.

 

You chose not to answer my question about playing Betts vs. Bradley. Do you have a preference?

 

Right now, Betts.

[a700hitter]

Right now, Betts.

I agree, and it does irritate me that Betts is sitting on the bench so often. Let's see what he has and let him get acclimated to the big leagues. He has a very quick bat and good bat control. He deserves the chance.

[Spudboy]

I agree, and it does irritate me that Betts is sitting on the bench so often. Let's see what he has and let him get acclimated to the big leagues. He has a very quick bat and good bat control. He deserves the chance.

 

I continue to be perplexed by the handling of Betts.

 

In the aftermath of the deadline deals, Farrell said that while the emphasis would be on seeing what the Sox have in prospects and new accusations for the rest of the season, the priority was to win.

 

If so, why keep running JBJ out there while Betts collects dust on the bench? It seems to me that both objectives would have been better served by replacing Bradley with Betts in a close and winnable game last night.

 

And in keeping with that theme, why did Steven Wright remain in the pen while Buch was imploding early in the game? Maybe he had pitched too recently in Pawtucket? If not, send him out there to eat innings and preserve the pen for the Series in St Louis! I would have liked to have seen what Wright could do. Now he will most likely be sent back down.

 

I don't often complain about Farrell. Obviously he knows more about the game than I do. It just seems hypocritical of him not to make those moves given the stated agenda.

[seabeachfred]

I continue to be perplexed by the handling of Betts.

 

In the aftermath of the deadline deals, Farrell said that while the emphasis would be on seeing what the Sox have in prospects and new accusations for the rest of the season, the priority was to win.

 

If so, why keep running JBJ out there while Betts collects dust on the bench? It seems to me that both objectives would have been better served by replacing Bradley with Betts in a close and winnable game last night.

 

And in keeping with that theme, why did Steven Wright remain in the pen while Buch was imploding early in the game? Maybe he had pitched too recently in Pawtucket? If not, send him out there to eat innings and preserve the pen for the Series in St Louis! I would have liked to have seen what Wright could do. Now he will most likely be sent back down.

 

I don't often complain about Farrell. Obviously he knows more about the game than I do. It just seems hypocritical of him not to make those moves given the stated agenda.

 

Maybe you ought to complain about Farrell a lot more now. He should know by now that Bradley cannot hit and most likely never will. Betts looks like he is a real comer but I keep getting the feeling that both Cherington and Farrell are so committed to Jackie that if Betts played a week or two in succession Bradley would be sent down where both those guys are scared shitless that he might not hit down there either. Besides Spud, I noticed even early last year that Farrell has a very difficult time making up his mind. My friend from near Toronto commented to me that same thing a month or so ago. A very indecisive manager.

[Spudboy]

Maybe you ought to complain about Farrell a lot more now. He should know by now that Bradley cannot hit and most likely never will. Betts looks like he is a real comer but I keep getting the feeling that both Cherington and Farrell are so committed to Jackie that if Betts played a week or two in succession Bradley would be sent down where both those guys are scared shitless that he might not hit down there either. Besides Spud, I noticed even early last year that Farrell has a very difficult time making up his mind. My friend from near Toronto commented to me that same thing a month or so ago. A very indecisive manager.

 

There is no question that Bradley is completely lost at the plate. I believe that he should have been in Pawtucket to start the season or at the very latest sent down two months ago to work out his problems with the bat. The problem there is that the Sox had no one available to replace him at that point ( my opinion ). The Sizemore idea was heart warming but proven to be one of the mis-steps in constructing the outfield this year.

 

I am not as quck to conclude that Bradley will never be a major league hitter. He sure looks inept now! I wonder why the Sox coaching staff can't seem to make any progress in helping him to develop hitting skills. I look at Nava and his massive early season slump. He went down and corrected it. His BA is about .120 higher now and he seems to be back to where he was last year ( minus some power ). Granted that Nava was more skilled at batting when he slumped. Bradley has not shown anywhere near the ability to hit. That tells me that he should be down in Pawtucket all along. Bradley has much more athletic talent than Nava. Unless he is really stupid, I don't see why he can't learn to hit. In the minors.

 

I don't pretend to know what Farrell and Cherington are thinking and what motivates them in their decisions. I don't have their knowledge, experience, or access to information.

 

I'm willing to be a Monday morning quarterback sometimes. I questions some moves because on the surface they appear to make little or no sense.

[a700hitter]

I continue to be perplexed by the handling of Betts.

 

In the aftermath of the deadline deals, Farrell said that while the emphasis would be on seeing what the Sox have in prospects and new accusations for the rest of the season, the priority was to win.

 

If so, why keep running JBJ out there while Betts collects dust on the bench? It seems to me that both objectives would have been better served by replacing Bradley with Betts in a close and winnable game last night.

 

And in keeping with that theme, why did Steven Wright remain in the pen while Buch was imploding early in the game? Maybe he had pitched too recently in Pawtucket? If not, send him out there to eat innings and preserve the pen for the Series in St Louis! I would have liked to have seen what Wright could do. Now he will most likely be sent back down.

 

I don't often complain about Farrell. Obviously he knows more about the game than I do. It just seems hypocritical of him not to make those moves given the stated agenda.

While managers may know more about the game and their players than we do, often times in the moment they freeze or they just can't see what others are seeing because they are the ones on the spot. That explains poor game decisions, but I can't explain the lack of good judgment in making out the lineup. There is no time pressure with that.