Time to rebuild/reload

[jacksonianmarch]

The Yankees are set to have the 17th pick in the draft (they're tied for 16th worst record, but the Stros get the #2 pick). This would be the highest we have picked since, well, last yr. Before we gave up 3 picks by signing shitbums. Time to change the plan a little. No big QO signees. Go after Lester who doesn't have a pick attached. Go out and get Tomas for the middle of the order. Maybe go after a few other guys who aren't attached to draft pick comp. Offer KRob a QO and let him walk. If you have the #17 and a 1st sup while running through the draft in the 16 position, you should add a lot of talent.

[Spudboy]

The Yankees are set to have the 17th pick in the draft (they're tied for 16th worst record, but the Stros get the #2 pick). This would be the highest we have picked since, well, last yr. Before we gave up 3 picks by signing shitbums. Time to change the plan a little. No big QO signees. Go after Lester who doesn't have a pick attached. Go out and get Tomas for the middle of the order. Maybe go after a few other guys who aren't attached to draft pick comp. Offer KRob a QO and let him walk. If you have the #17 and a 1st sup while running through the draft in the 16 position, you should add a lot of talent.

 

Yes, the potential to grab real talent is there. But it won't be talent that will impact the team for a few years. For that the Yankees will have to spend even more money or trade away some of their current talent.

[BSN07]

C'mon Jacko you know there's no way the Yanks actually get a chance to use that pick lol.

[Bellhorn04]

C'mon Jacko you know there's no way the Yanks actually get a chance to use that pick lol.

 

Ha ha...you're so right.

[jacksonianmarch]

C'mon Jacko you know there's no way the Yanks actually get a chance to use that pick lol.

 

They could. If their big pitching signing is Lester and their big offensive signings are either guys currently on the squad (Headley or McCarthy) or guys without draft pick comp (Lester, Tomas) then we could very well improve dramatically and keep our picks. I am adamant about the QO and walk for Robertson, though. He's gonna get a 3-4 yr deal on the open market and we don't need him. If there is one thing our farm is deep in its the relief pitching. We already have a 7-8-9 bridge in Kelley, Warren and Betances.

[jacksonianmarch]

Yankees apparently not in on Tomas. f***ing stupid. We fired Long and Kelleher, but retained Cashman for 3 yrs. Sounds like our director of player development, Mark Newman, is "retiring" as well.

[Meh]

Yankees apparently not in on Tomas. f***ing stupid. We fired Long and Kelleher, but retained Cashman for 3 yrs. Sounds like our director of player development, Mark Newman, is "retiring" as well.

 

If we didn't have Beltran I'd be for signing Tomas. But cubans are getting out of hand what we're paying them. I'm okay with just resigning McCarthy, Young and Headley. Letting the rest walk and collecting a pick for Robertson. I'd offer Kuroda a QO too. If he takes it fine, if not meh.

 

C: McCann/Cervelli

1B: Tex/Prado/Headley

2B: Prado/Ryan

SS: Pirela(give him a chance)/Ryan

3B: Arod/Headley

LF: Gardner

CF: Ells

RF: Beltran

DH: ARod/Beltran/Tex

 

Bench: Young/Ryan/Cervi/ and then F/A or ST inivtee

 

Hopefully Tanaka is healthy, Pineda, CC, McCarthy, and Phelps

 

Our bullpen should be fine without any additions, even if we lose Robertson.

 

I'd be fine with that team, if you need to make moves you can do so during the season, like we did last year. i would like to sign that Cuban teenage hitter though. Can't remmeber his name at the moment.

[jacksonianmarch]

We have to be smart. Honestly, I don't see us making a big splash while we have ARod, Tex and CC under contract. Tex and CC are out after 2016. ARod is out after 2017

[Station 13]

We have to be smart. Honestly, I don't see us making a big splash while we have ARod, Tex and CC under contract. Tex and CC are out after 2016. ARod is out after 2017

 

I expect Scherzer or Lester to pitch for them next year. They need a 200 inning replacements for Kuroda (and McCarthy.)

[jacksonianmarch]

I would love to see that operationally, but this team isn't a championship caliber team, and one pitcher doesn't change that. We need some flexibility, and with McCann, ARod, Tex, Beltran, Ellsbury, and Gardner all under contract for at least 2 more seasons, we don't have that. If those guys don't return to the backs of their baseball cards, we don't have a chance, no matter who we bring in

[Station 13]

I would love to see that operationally, but this team isn't a championship caliber team, and one pitcher doesn't change that. We need some flexibility, and with McCann, ARod, Tex, Beltran, Ellsbury, and Gardner all under contract for at least 2 more seasons, we don't have that. If those guys don't return to the backs of their baseball cards, we don't have a chance, no matter who we bring in

 

They had many of those non performers before signing Tanaka + Ellsbury. Kuroda pay was $16M last season, you add 3-4 million more to that AAV, voila, Lester will pitch in the Bronx next season. You really expect them to trust CC or Tanaka with TJS at any point to lead that rotation? Lester might not be enough to go to the playoff, but the Yankees never back down from making huge deals.

Edited November 4, 2014 by Station 13

[seabeachfred]

They had many of those non performers before signing Tanaka + Ellsbury. Kuroda pay was $16M last season, you add 3-4 million more to that AAV, voila, Lester will pitch in the Bronx next season. You really expect them to trust CC or Tanaka with TJS at any point to lead that rotation? Lester might not be enough to go to the playoff, but the Yankees never back down from making huge deals.

 

Station, don't believe a freakin' word Jacko or any Yankee fan tells you-----they are going to spend heavily again this winter and damn going over the salary cap. They always say they're not interested in top free agents then go ahead and sign Johnny Damon and Mark Tiexiera, both of whom the Yankees denied they were interested in. They will say the same thing and do the opposite of what they say again off season, and this time I hope the Red Sox brass doesn't drink the Kool Aid and get snookered by them over a FA we may be interested in. The Yankees never rebuild and never will as long as that ownership is in control. They go for a WS win every year and so I would advise you to keep your eye on them because they are preparing to go to the their vault as we speak.

[jacksonianmarch]

They're going over the salary cap, mostly because they're already at it with who they have under contract. That being said, they need to get production out of the guys they already have on the roster. Also, I think Cashman doesn't want to give up his draft choices anymore, especially after watching one of his comp picks become the best player in baseball. Yes, Mike Trout was selected by the Angels as compensation for the Yankees signing Tex

[BSN07]

I don't think the Yanks get Lester. But I'm not willing to believe they don't spend a s*** load until they don't. Last season all the talk was getting below the LT only to see them spend 300M+ on 4 the top FA's. The Yanks seem to want to rebuild through the system but when push comes to shove they can't stop themselves from spending. Maybe this is the year. I won't hold my breath tho. I think the Yanks sign 2 of Scherzer(7/180M)/Shields(5/100M)/McCarthy(3/36M). And for the IF they bring back Headley and if they really go all out Hanley for SS.

[jacksonianmarch]

I doubt we go after Scherzer to be totally honest. He's an elite, top notch pitcher, no doubt, but he's another high velocity arm entering his thirties. I don't think he's a guy who ages well. Lester is the guy I want, if I was to be forced to sign a big ticket FA pitcher

[jacksonianmarch]

Robertson wants Papelbon money. Nice knowing you KRob. You aint worth it

[Spudboy]

Robertson wants Papelbon money. Nice knowing you KRob. You aint worth it

 

Not even Papelbon. Mariano was.

[jacksonianmarch]

I honestly think this is for the better. I would look to sign Miller now and have a 1-2 punch of him and Betances at the back of the pen. We are not short on bullpen depth throughout the minors, so losing KRob isn't the end of the world.

[Spudboy]

I honestly think this is for the better. I would look to sign Miller now and have a 1-2 punch of him and Betances at the back of the pen. We are not short on bullpen depth throughout the minors, so losing KRob isn't the end of the world.

 

What kind of deal do you see the Yankess reaching with Miller? I've heard 4 years but little else.

[jacksonianmarch]

I would go 3 yrs $30 mil with a $10 mil 4th yr vesting option based on appearances in year 3. That's closer money for a non-closer. But he also solidifies the 8th while Betances moves to the 9th. By the time Miller gets long in the tooth, Lindgren will be ready to take over the 8th inning role. Heck, if Miller isn't signed, there's a chance of that happening come the end of 2015

[jacksonianmarch]

Miller is asking for 4 yrs. That is too much. We just dealt Cervelli for Justin Wilson, a lefty who had success two yrs ago, but was nothing more than average last yr. This is a depth move, IMO, and probably one bracing us for no major acquisitions from the left side in FA. We do have some options in the minors with Lindgren being the best, but we have to see what works out. Right now, the sox and Yankees are jumping on the 3b bandwagon. The sox are all in on Sandoval, and from what I am reading, the Yankees are making re-signing Headley a priority as they do not think ARod is capable of handling 3b full time

[Spudboy]

Miller is asking for 4 yrs. That is too much. We just dealt Cervelli for Justin Wilson, a lefty who had success two yrs ago, but was nothing more than average last yr. This is a depth move, IMO, and probably one bracing us for no major acquisitions from the left side in FA. We do have some options in the minors with Lindgren being the best, but we have to see what works out. Right now, the sox and Yankees are jumping on the 3b bandwagon. The sox are all in on Sandoval, and from what I am reading, the Yankees are making re-signing Headley a priority as they do not think ARod is capable of handling 3b full time

 

Cervelli is gone? Too bad. I though he was pretty good.

[Meh]

Cervelli is gone? Too bad. I though he was pretty good.

 

Well we have about 180 committed to payroll. Like I said re-sign Chase(4/50) and BMac(3/46). Moncada gets $42 million from us too. I'd try to sign Rickie Weeks too

 

LF: Gardner

CF: Ells

DH: ARod

1B: Tex

C: McCann

RF: Beltran

3B: Headley

2B: Weeks

SS: Pirela

 

Romine

Ryan

Young

Wheeler(Could be a ST inivtee or a f/a)

 

Tanaka

Pineda

CC

McCarthy

Phelps

 

I'm not worried about the bullpen at the moment. I think we should go with a mix of what we have.

[jacksonianmarch]

I want Moncada as well. Rickie Weeks is done, and we have Prado and Refsnyder for 2b. No interest there

[User Name]

Weeks can still mash lefties and play good D. He's not an everyday player anymore, but creative use and/or a platoon situation could see hom being a very productive player next year.

[Meh]

I want Moncada as well. Rickie Weeks is done, and we have Prado and Refsnyder for 2b. No interest there

 

I forgot Prado is under contract. I'd still be interested to see what Weeks would want. Moncada is the only the one I really want though. Kind of like last year with Tanaka. I hated seeing McCann, Ells, and Beltran signed.

[jacksonianmarch]

I actually like McCann, didn't like the Ells signing and hated the Beltran move. I think Moncada is the type of player who comes around for just cash once in a lifetime. We need a new franchise SS and this kid is the guy. I know we have to pay double to get him, but f*** it, do it

[BSN07]

I actually like McCann, didn't like the Ells signing and hated the Beltran move. I think Moncada is the type of player who comes around for just cash once in a lifetime. We need a new franchise SS and this kid is the guy. I know we have to pay double to get him, but f*** it, do it

 

Everything I have read says 2B or 3B and scouts saying they don't see him being able to play SS. Who knows tho cause he is still so young. Get him with the right coach and it may happen. I'm hoping the US Gov't take its sweet ol time and he doesn't get declared a FA until the next signing period so they Sox have a shot at getting involved.

[Palodios]

Everything I have read says 2B or 3B and scouts saying they don't see him being able to play SS. Who knows tho cause he is still so young. Get him with the right coach and it may happen. I'm hoping the US Gov't take its sweet ol time and he doesn't get declared a FA until the next signing period so they Sox have a shot at getting involved.

 

The Red Sox also went over the spending cap this year, so they won't be able to sign him next year either.

[SoxFanForsyth]

Everything I have read says 2B or 3B and scouts saying they don't see him being able to play SS. Who knows tho cause he is still so young. Get him with the right coach and it may happen. I'm hoping the US Gov't take its sweet ol time and he doesn't get declared a FA until the next signing period so they Sox have a shot at getting involved.

 

NO NO NO NO NO!!!!! This is so so so wrong.

 

If Moncada is declared a free agent between now and July 2, 2015, then [the Red Sox and New York Yankees] have an advantage as they have huge revenues and have already gone over their pool amount and paid the penalty. To sign him, any team would go over their pool and pay the overage, but teams that are under their pool would want their year to go over their pool to also include a full crop of July 2 players to make up for the two-year penalty.

 

Conversely, if Moncada becomes a free agent any time from July 2, 2015 to 2017, those two clubs have no chance to bid on him because of the two-year penalty.

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/yoan-moncada-game-theory/