St. Louis making a push for Peavy again?

[a700hitter]

Heath hembree is alan embree.

He is a genetically engineered combination of Alan Embree and Heathcliff Slocumb.

[Behindenemylines]

And Heath Hembree, the Giants "future closer". Guy has a career 11.2 K/9 in the minors and 12 K in 7.2 IP at the MLB level. Low BB numbers to (around 3-3.5 per 9)

 

Plain and simple, the Sox won this deal, no doubt.

 

Giants were desperate for SP (Cain is injuried) and Peavy will give them innings. I guess the Sox have to be pleased what they got back. These are additional chips that they have to help the quick rebuild. They can deal from there surplus of young pitchers. They need a young right handed power hitting OF in the worse way though. Peavy pitches tonight, watch him throw a good game tonight.

[St. Louis Carter]

I tuned in to the SF/LA game last night and Peavy was pitching in the 3rd. In that inning he bounced 5 balls in front of the plate of which 2 got away from the catcher, gave up 3 hits, 2 BB and 4 runs. He really looked like s***. I don't know how he did after that, but from what I saw I have to wonder why a contender would even f*** around with him and the incredibly awful Dan Ugla.

 

Sometimes I think I don't understand baseball at all.

[Yaz Fan Since 67]

Still trying to figure out what Peavy's record against the Dodgers has to do with anything. Exactly how many of the current Dodgers were on the team when Peavy faced them in SD?

[Spudboy]

Still trying to figure out what Peavy's record against the Dodgers has to do with anything. Exactly how many of the current Dodgers were on the team when Peavy faced them in SD?

 

Lol. This is one of my pet "peeves". It's common for announcers to say a pitcher has done this and that against a team in his career. But really, how is that relevant? As you said, how many on the current roster were on the teams that the pitcher had faced in his career? It's just dumb filler for the masses and pink hats, I guess.

[seabeachfred]

Lol. This is one of my pet "peeves". It's common for announcers to say a pitcher has done this and that against a team in his career. But really, how is that relevant? As you said, how many on the current roster were on the teams that the pitcher had faced in his career? It's just dumb filler for the masses and pink hats, I guess.

 

Spud, Peavy pitched against the Dodgers last August and fired a three hit 8-1 win for the Red Sox. There are times a hex over a team stays with that team even after the roster changes. The Dodgers knew they has li ttle success against Jake and Peavy felt he had an inbred talent pitching against them. Strange as it may seem to you and others there is something to be said for this. I'm reminded of two pitchers in the famed Giants-Dodgers rivalry (No. 2 in baseball until this year). For the Giants there was Hall of Famer Juan Marichal, 37-18 lifetime against the Dodgers from 1960 to 1973. In those 14 seasons the Dodger roster changed radically but the effectiveness of Juan was still there. In fact it took LA until June of '68 before they beat Juan in his home park. As for the counterpart, there was Bobby Welch, recently deceased, who pitched for the Bums from 1978 to 1987, ten seasons. The Giant roster changed a lot over that decade, yet Welch continued to dominate the Giants with a 20-4 lifetime record against them and here's the kicker......Bobby pitched better against the Giants at Candlestick Park than he did at Dodger Stadium, so good in fact that the Giants could never beat him there....not once.

 

Sometimes Spud, these things do take a life of its own.

[Spudboy]

Spud, Peavy pitched against the Dodgers last August and fired a three hit 8-1 win for the Red Sox. There are times a hex over a team stays with that team even after the roster changes. The Dodgers knew they has li ttle success against Jake and Peavy felt he had an inbred talent pitching against them. Strange as it may seem to you and others there is something to be said for this. I'm reminded of two pitchers in the famed Giants-Dodgers rivalry (No. 2 in baseball until this year). For the Giants there was Hall of Famer Juan Marichal, 37-18 lifetime against the Dodgers from 1960 to 1973. In those 14 seasons the Dodger roster changed radically but the effectiveness of Juan was still there. In fact it took LA until June of '68 before they beat Juan in his home park. As for the counterpart, there was Bobby Welch, recently deceased, who pitched for the Bums from 1978 to 1987, ten seasons. The Giant roster changed a lot over that decade, yet Welch continued to dominate the Giants with a 20-4 lifetime record against them and here's the kicker......Bobby pitched better against the Giants at Candlestick Park than he did at Dodger Stadium, so good in fact that the Giants could never beat him there....not once.

 

Sometimes Spud, these things do take a life of its own.

 

I never claimed that a pitcher could not remain dominant over a team ( or teams ) for a lengthy period of time.

 

And of course I remember Juan Marishal. He had a leg kick rivaled by only a June Taylor Dancer or a Rockette.

[v2freak]

I'm sad to see him go. Despite his subpar year, I'd still consider him fairly consistent and at the least, a solid end of the rotation guy. He got so little run support this year, though I guess that could be said of every pitcher for the Sox. Like with David Wells, I wish him all the luck for his new title run.

[Dojji]

Lol. This is one of my pet "peeves". It's common for announcers to say a pitcher has done this and that against a team in his career. But really, how is that relevant? As you said, how many on the current roster were on the teams that the pitcher had faced in his career? It's just dumb filler for the masses and pink hats, I guess.

 

Not quite. Don't forget that there's two variables here -- the hitters a pitcher faces, and his own prowess and confidence. Maybe it really is that he's more effective in a certain environment, or feels more confident facing teams he's had success against, regardless of roster turnover.

 

Not to mention that certain teams historically favor certain hitting styles, especially those with long term managers and/or ownership groups. Those teams can get into a rut of thinking in terms of the best way to hit, then they draft, develop, sign and coach accordingly, and then a pitcher's individual style can indeed play well against their habitual weaknesses.

[BigPapi]

Peavy has turned around his season after leaving here. He's brought bis era under 4 and has 2.29 era in 9 starts with san francisco. Thanks a lot for not doing that here peavy...