Ellsbury to Yankees

[BornToRun]

Ellsbury's status as being injury prone is unfair. I've been saying that for a while. 2 freak accidents don't make him injury prone.

 

That said, I'm sincerely glad that it's the Yankees and not us paying him 153 million for the next 7 years. f*** that.

[User Name]

Jacko, which song more exemplifies the traits you have as someone who saves lives: Hero by Chad Kroeger or My Hero by the Foo Fighters?

 

I've been laughing at this for about ten minutes straight.

[SoxFanForsyth]

Ellsbury's status as being injury prone is unfair. I've been saying that for a while. 2 freak accidents don't make him injury prone.

 

That said, I'm sincerely glad that it's the Yankees and not us paying him 153 million for the next 7 years. f*** that.

 

Agree 100% on the injury prone thoughts. However, I think, once he's injured, it takes him longer than most players to get back on the field. That's where I think he's got a bit of a problem.

[Palodios]

One report out there that the Mariners offered Ellsbury nine years. That has to be Boras-speak, right? Right?

 

If not, Cano is going to Seattle.

[BornToRun]

Agree 100% on the injury prone thoughts. However, I think, once he's injured, it takes him longer than most players to get back on the field. That's where I think he's got a bit of a problem.

 

I think he recovered from the foot fracture pretty quickly. Not to mention that we found out he was playing with just one good hand during the entire postseason.

[jacksonianmarch]

The guy subluxed his shoulder and broke multiple ribs. Those are serious injuries. And maybe Ells wouldn't have taken so long to come back from the ribs had the docs not misdiagnosed him

[Bellhorn04]

I fully expect Ellsbury to have a kick-ass season next year. That first season with a new team guys can be really jacked to show what they've got. After that is when it will start to get interesting.

[Bellhorn04]

Also, the Yankees aren't getting tanaka. The new rules stipulate a max bid of $20 mil and if there are multiple $20 mil bids, it goes to the team with the worst record in the previous year. The sox have zero shot. The Yankees have next to no shot. My guess is he ends up a Cub

 

No, it looks more like Tanaka will be able to negotiate with every team that puts up the posting fee. So it'll be not much different from the usual free agency auction. This should also mean Tanaka will get a much bigger contract, with the posting fee lower. The Yankees will have a clear shot at him if they're willing to keep the spending spree going.

[Palodios]

Yanks sign Tanaka, and they break the luxury tax. They STILL claim to want to avoid it, but I really doubt it.

[SoxSport]

Ellsbury's status as being injury prone is unfair. I've been saying that for a while. 2 freak accidents don't make him injury prone.

 

That said, I'm sincerely glad that it's the Yankees and not us paying him 153 million for the next 7 years. f*** that.

 

"Injury prone" also means some guys find a way to get injured. It's weird, but some do. perhaps it's their style of play. You get a guy like Ells stealing a lot of bases, playing CF. he's moving a lot--more likely to get hurt.

 

I hear the Yankee move came from Steinbrenner--not Cashman. There is TV pressure on him to spend thru the roof to make the playoffs. One way is to hurt your biggest competitor. Though I don't think it hurts the Red Sox.

 

Money is never a factor in NY. They can make more media money winning than lose it on the luxury tax. They will spend $250M if they have to. Just watch.

[BornToRun]

Yanks sign Tanaka, and they break the luxury tax. They STILL claim to want to avoid it, but I really doubt it.

They're full of s***. When have the Yankees ever given a f*** about money? They'll find a problem to solve, throw money at it, and then rinse and repeat.

[SoxSport]

They're full of s***. When have the Yankees ever given a f*** about money? They'll find a problem to solve, throw money at it, and then rinse and repeat.

 

Right. A bunch of media BS about limiting spending. They can make more media money making the playoffs than they can lose paying any amount of luxury tax. Some honest writer concluded that. A lot of people don't realize NY is the media center and the Yankees have supreme earning power there. They are set up in Baseball to dominate, with no salary cap.

[BornToRun]

"Injury prone" also means some guys find a way to get injured. It's weird, but some do. perhaps it's their style of play. You get a guy like Ells stealing a lot of bases, playing CF. he's moving a lot--more likely to get hurt.

 

I hear the Yankee move came from Steinbrenner--not Cashman. There is TV pressure on him to spend thru the roof to make the playoffs. One way is to hurt your biggest competitor. Though I don't think it hurts the Red Sox.

 

Money is never a factor in NY. They can make more media money winning than lose it on the luxury tax. They will spend $250M if they have to. Just watch.

There's no such thing as finding players finding a way to get injured. Jacoby Ellsbury does not have some sinister injury karma that causes him to have shittier luck with staying healthy.

 

Random chance has just screwed him over on two separate occasions. He was trucked by a middle linebacker and had some ******* body slam his shoulder.

 

He was healthy in 2008 and 2009, s***** luck in 2010, healthy in 2011, s***** luck in 2012, and healthy in 2013.

 

His only real ailments have been two freak injuries.

[SoxSport]

My point is Ells ran into those "freak" injuries.

[BornToRun]

My point is Ells ran into those "freak" injuries.

My point is that was just plain luck and random chance that those two injuries happened to him. I don't think it's indicative of what will happen to him going forward.

[jacksonianmarch]

Great! Tanaka is back in our hands! This is good

[Bellhorn04]

They're full of s***. When have the Yankees ever given a f*** about money? They'll find a problem to solve, throw money at it, and then rinse and repeat.

 

I think the last couple of years they were reining in the spending a bit - letting Swisher and Martin go, for example. But when they miss the playoffs it's like 'f*** this s***'.

[BSN07]

Yanks sign Tanaka, and they break the luxury tax. They STILL claim to want to avoid it, but I really doubt it.

 

How so? I read at the beginning of the off season they had 100M committed for next season giving them about 90M to spend before the LT threshold. Ells 20M or so and McCanns what 17M? By my cound they still have like 40Mish left to spend. I could be wrong tho.

[iortiz]

They're full of s***. When have the Yankees ever given a f*** about money? They'll find a problem to solve, throw money at it, and then rinse and repeat.

 

I think the last couple of years they were reining in the spending a bit - letting Swisher and Martin go, for example. But when they miss the playoffs it's like 'f*** this s***'.

 

Yup, this is why short/mid/long contracts attached with a lot money doesn't matter that much to teams like the NYY if a deal doesn't work it out. They will always find a way to be competitive since they have a lot of money. It's been their insignia building teams.

 

Some are saying that JE is simply a caprice/marketing strategy; while I believe it is true, they have signed a very good player.

[User Name]

Yeah but you shouldn't pay "very good " players "elite player" money, but hey, it's the Yankees.

[iortiz]

How so? I read at the beginning of the off season they had 100M committed for next season giving them about 90M to spend before the LT threshold. Ells 20M or so and McCanns what 17M? By my cound they still have like 40Mish left to spend. I could be wrong tho.

 

I've read that they are something around 160 M. They still need a 2B, likely 3 arms in their rotation and probably a couple a of relievers. I don't see how they can keep their payroll below the LT.

[iortiz]

Yeah but you shouldn't pay "very good " players "elite player" money, but hey, it's the Yankees.

 

when you have the money, you can.

[User Name]

when you have the money, you can.

 

This is the main point where i think you and i differ. I think the Yankees have a (rather high) spending limit, but it is there nonetheless. There will come a point when all of these crappy contracts will catch up to them, and a couple of 2013 seasons will be needed to clean house and get s*** in order. We'll see.

[User Name]

Great! Tanaka is back in our hands! This is good

 

Man there are so many ways you could have made this post without sounding like an *******. Couldn't you think of at least one of them?

[jacksonianmarch]

The problem is, UN, the Yankee ratings fell and the attendance fell to where their income was severely impacted. They will have to either find a way to build on the fly or continue to buy up FA's on an annual basis to keep that steady stream of revenue flowing in. Cashman had a plan and ownership f***ed with it. My guess is the lost revenue from their brand being down for a year was more than the savings they could have had by staying under the lux tax

[User Name]

The problem is, UN, the Yankee ratings fell and the attendance fell to where their income was severely impacted. They will have to either find a way to build on the fly or continue to buy up FA's on an annual basis to keep that steady stream of revenue flowing in. Cashman had a plan and ownership f***ed with it. My guess is the lost revenue from their brand being down for a year was more than the savings they could have had by staying under the lux tax

 

I understand that, and i don't disagree. The issue is that they're outspending the possibility of rebuilding on the fly. Every time they miss the playoffs, they lose money, so why set themselves up for a period of time where a number of contracts could crush them out of making the playoffs for several years?

[NOATHLETESALLOWED]

Yankees sign Mccan, opening up more inter-divisional opportunities for little stupid bench clearing brawls over home run ettiquette. Look forward to seeing this guy and Papi go at it.

 

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article/atl/terence-moore-like-carlton-fisk-brian-mccann-is-enforcer-of-professionalism?ymd=20130928&content_id=62084266

[jacksonianmarch]

They really only have a bad window for the next 3-4 years.

 

CC is under contract through 2016. There is a vesting option for 2017 that will only vest, IMO, if he's pitching well. If he isn't, then he isn't going to get the starts to vest that option

Tex is under contract through 2016

ARod is under contract through 2017

Jeter is under contract for 2014

Ichiro, Wells, and Soriano are under contract only for 2014.

 

As of right now, the only contract obligations past 2016 are Ells, ARod, and McCann. Past 2017 are only Ells and McCann. They aren't as bogged down as one would think

[User Name]

Unless they keep signing long, stupid contracts (Cano anyone?) in which case, the 3-4 years may just be be that window.

[Bellhorn04]

3-4 years is a pretty good-sized window.