5/26 vs Cleveland

[Standing Room]

Yes I do......Did I make any reference to handedness of the batter in conjunction with the location comments middle to low and outside ? I made every comment along the lines of the one we are discussing without reference to LH vs RH batter. I never brought LH batter vs RH batter into the discussion. That is also why I tried to take the discussion away from pitch type because it requires a different pitch from a specific pitcher to move the ball "away" from a RH hitter than a LH hitter and taking the discussion there in my view misses the forest for the trees! A slider for example will move in to one and out to the other. We are not really talking about the pitchers although since the discussion turned to where Jurrjens was a pitcher in 2012 I thought it made sense to add some detail.

 

Really it is a discussion of the team and how feeble their hitting effort as a team appears against pitchers that come in here not really having outstanding years, not really exhibiting outstanding stuff that can dominate us while bringing very little to the table. I think that is the basic comment most of the posters have been making here relative to this topic. To me, the Jurrjens game is the best example of that while not being the only example we have seen since the beginning of last year.

 

I should note that as I stated above, it will be interesting to how this pans out within the AL East generally this year. I went through the whole year last year mainly focused on the Sox and not really much paying attention to this issue as a possible AL East issue. Then we got to the post season and I thought the hitting performance by the AL East representatives was in a word.... appalling and I said so. Based on the 2012 post season, this may well be an AL East issue more than it is a Red Sox issue.

 

Is is relevant? Are any of these discussions really "relevant" in the overall scheme of things? If we keep it to baseball only, which baseball team was acknowledged to be the most versatile, flexible, all around "team" of last year.....the Giants....No? Who won the World Series last year? Did an AL East team even get out of the AL Championship game?

 

Jung, the problem is that you're the only person who thinks this is an issue. And even after someone has provided statistics which strongly suggest you're incorrect, you're continuing to argue about it. This is just like the Will Middlebrooks thing where you claimed he was a dead pull hitter in 2012, and went on these long rambling explanations, comparing him to Carlton Fisk. Then someone posted his spray chart, which showed he very clearly was not a pull hitter and you went on some tangent about how he really was a pull hitter because of the location of the pitches he puts in play.

 

There's something to be said for someone who's mature enough to admit when they've been proven wrong.

[italstallianion]

I was just looking at some stats and apparently the Red Sox are 3-1 in extra inning games, 8-4 in 1 run games, 12-5 at day vs. 19-15 at night. Also 13-8 vs. the ALE, 12-8 vs. the ALC, and 6-4 vs. the ALW.

 

Not that there's a point to be made with this, I just thought it was interesting.

[User Name]

There is a point to be made: It's a complete reversal from the s***-show that was 2012. At least thus far.

[Thunder]

I was just looking at some stats and apparently the Red Sox are 3-1 in extra inning games, 8-4 in 1 run games, 12-5 at day vs. 19-15 at night. Also 13-8 vs. the ALE, 12-8 vs. the ALC, and 6-4 vs. the ALW.

 

Not that there's a point to be made with this, I just thought it was interesting.

 

After Thursday, it will be 23-15 at night and 4-0 vs the NLE.

[jung]

Quote:

Originally Posted by User Name?

Over the past two seasons, the Red Sox have hit "finesse" pitchers (as defined by BB-REF) almost a hundred OPS points higher than "power" pitchers (.797 to .707 OPS). While the stat uses strikeouts and baseballs to help index pitcher "type", there is a significant correlation between fastball velocity and K/BB ratio.

 

In other words, the stats show two things: The Sox generally kill junkballers, and jung is wrong.

 

Great...once again you took whole topic back insisting that one side of argument must be provable 100% of the time in order to be valid. There is nothing that you posted that is a surprise.

 

"There is a significant correlation between fastball velocity and K/BB ratio."

 

No s*** Sherlock...really. What a shocker that is.

 

I never said that we are dominated by pitchers of that sort 100% of the time. I never even implied it. I never even implied that we are dominated by them 50% of the time. I am suggesting that in the games where we are literally dominated by pitchers that would not be suggestive of that sort of dominance, we are often not even competitive and I am suggesting that there are more of them than I would have expected. I have never set a standard for anybody here that demands they offer a proof that is unilaterally true for all cases or even half the cases. You could not survive such a standard UN and nobody discussion baseball can. How can you for a sport that regularly glorifies success at ratios of about 1:3. If Tom Brady could only complete 1 out of every 3 passes would we consider him a great quarterback...No we would not. That is football and this is baseball.

 

I can't take this level of ******** any longer. You have your opinion, I have mine. Enjoy yours, explore to any degree that makes you happy and I will do the same. But don't put words in my mouth.

[User Name]

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The funniest thing is the smug attitude after being proven wrong. Good stuff. You keep making unsupported assumptions, they are proven wrong, you get mad and go off on a tangent, saying you didn't say what you clearly said. Rinse, repeat.

[jung]

There is a huge difference between backpeddling and putting words in a persons mouth. Find the post where I claimed that we were unilaterally dominated by junkballers? Go find the post where I attached any % to it. I repeat it has happened more than I expected and in several instances where we were undone by a pitcher of that ilk, we were far less competitive than I would have expected us to be with the Jurrjen's June game being the best example I could think of. Maybe if I review the games that SFF mentioned in his post, I might find one of those to be en even better example than the Jurrjens game. I would have to do direct comparisons.

 

If you look you will find several posts from other posters suggesting the same thing that I suggested. You will find them both this year and last. If anything it looks like SFF thought it was more prevalent than even I did. But I would never have suggested that the Sox would have had more trouble with soft tossers than hard throwers. I don't think it likely that I would find a single MLB team that would have more trouble with hard throwers than soft tossers. The only standard anybody has to meet to favor one side over the other is 51%. So if your point is that we are more often dominated by hard throwers than soft tossers then I would again say, No s*** Sherlock.

[Standing Room]

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The funniest thing is the smug attitude after being proven wrong. Good stuff. You keep making unsupported assumptions, they are proven wrong, you get mad and go off on a tangent, saying you didn't say what you clearly said. Rinse, repeat.

 

I'd say that says all you need to know about jung. No need to even read his ramblings anymore.

[italstallianion]

After Thursday, it will be 23-15 at night and 4-0 vs the NLE.

 

 

We have Aceves starting a game so I'd slow it down before you go too far.

[User Name]

Aaaaand reverse lock. Well done.

[italstallianion]

Aaaaand reverse lock. Well done.

 

 

That's how it's supposed to be done. Sometimes it's better to be lucky than good.