Trades before the deadline?

[Palodios]

Who takes Dempster off your hands? Be realistic. Because of the options you present, you're much more likely to get something for Doubront instead of just giving away Dempster. I hope they trade no one though.

 

Starting pitching costs a s***-ton. Ervin Santana had a 5.16 ERA last year, and the Royals paid roughly the same for him on a one year deal. They can definitely get rid of him, but anything more than a mid-tier prospect would be wishful thinking.

[iortiz]

iortiz, i'm not refusing to see anything. I am telling you they are not similar.

 

By your logic, Justin Verlander and Felix Doubront are "similar" because their ERA's are close. Stop it.

 

Yeah, both are great. Peavy and Dempster are at best Av. Similar both..

[rjortiz]

Jajaja even when they have similar numbers you refuse to see it. Ok.

 

FIP - 4.82

xFIP - 4.27

WHIP - 1.45

 

FIP - 4.09

xFIP - 3.68

WHIP - 1.14

[User Name]

Starting pitching costs a s***-ton. Ervin Santana had a 5.16 ERA last year, and the Royals paid roughly the same for him on a one year deal. They can definitely get rid of him, but anything more than a mid-tier prospect would be wishful thinking.

 

Isn't that basically what i just said? Why would you trade him for a mid-tier prospect? You're better off holding off to him, provided money doesn't become an issue.

[example1]

Peavy's very frail. This could bite them in the ass big time.

 

This is true but if it really is Iglesias and not much else for Peavy then they will certainly have sold high on Iglesias. I am worried about Peavy's injuries and don't really think he's a big game pitcher. At the same time, injuries aside, over his last 410 IP he has a 1.14 WHIP and an ERA under 4.

[User Name]

fip - 4.82

xfip - 4.27

whip - 1.45

 

fip - 4.09

xfip - 3.68

whip - 1.14

 

but dude, the era's are similar!

[Palodios]

The worst part about this deal is that the Red Sox not only give up their best starting shortstop, but they also gave it directly into the hands of a playoff opponent. Fortunately, even his glove probably can't save the Tiger defense.

[Palodios]

Isn't that basically what i just said? Why would you trade him for a mid-tier prospect? You're better off holding off to him, provided money doesn't become an issue.

 

You asked "Who takes him off your hands" as if no one would want him.

[User Name]

Yeah, both are great. Peavy and Dempster are at best Av. Similar both..

 

Peavy allows less baserunners (lower WHIP), less homeruns and strikes more guys out but pitches way less innings. How are they similar?

[User Name]

You asked "Who takes him off your hands" as if no one would want him.

 

Yeah, but for nothing, or for crap.

[iortiz]

but dude, the era's are similar!

 

Yes, they are.

[rjortiz]

Any team that wants Santana would have to consider that the Royals can QO him, and net the draft pick. They'd have give up at least a top 10 prospect for Santana.

[iortiz]

Peavy allows less baserunners (lower WHIP), less homeruns and strikes more guys out but pitches way less innings. How are they similar?

 

By ERA, like it or not.

[rjortiz]

Yes, they are.

 

ERA isn't the best indicator of pitcher quality, or future success.

[iortiz]

Peavy allows less baserunners (lower WHIP), less homeruns and strikes more guys out but pitches way less innings. How are they similar?

 

It doesn't matter, both allow the same runs.

[iortiz]

ERA isn't the best indicator of pitcher quality, or future success.

 

Never said that. I said they are similar by ERA, and well, they are.

[BornToRun]

It doesn't matter, both allow the same runs.

 

Yes, but one has much more impressive peripherals which suggests that he's going to give up fewer runs going forward. Reason and logic are your friend.

[User Name]

Never said that. I said they are similar by ERA, and well, they are.

 

And why does that even matter? And you didn't say "similar by ERA". You said "similar". Which makes no sense.

[User Name]

Justin Verlander and Bud Norris have similar ERA's, therefore they are similar pitchers: iortiz logic.

[RedSoxNC84]

It doesn't matter, both allow the same runs.

 

Peavy will have a much lower ERA with a better defense. Defense doesn't do as much for Dempster because he is letting plenty of balls go over the fence. Peavy allows way less baserunners hence the lower WHIP.

 

They are only similar by ERA, which is the worst stat to measure a pitcher besides W/L. Josh Beckett had an ERA in the low 2's during a part of 2011, no one was calling him Josh Kershaw.

[Palodios]

Reports saying that the Red Sox did not pursue Wilson because Johnny Gomes would not allow his nickname "The Beard".

[iortiz]

And why does that even matter? And you didn't say "similar by ERA". You said "similar". Which makes no sense.

 

Well, now u know. Hahaha

[iortiz]

Justin Verlander and Bud Norris have similar ERA's, therefore they are similar pitchers: iortiz logic.

 

Don't be stupid.

[redsoxrules]

The worst part about this deal is that the Red Sox not only give up their best starting shortstop, but they also gave it directly into the hands of a playoff opponent. Fortunately, even his glove probably can't save the Tiger defense.

 

Iggy is not the best starting SS for any team. After his fluke start where he got lucky with a bunch of fluke infield single he's now back to normal with a whopping 457 OPS in July

[rjortiz]

Don't be stupid.

 

He's not wrong.

[example1]

PITCHES BY PERCENTAGE (Career)

Player FB SL CT CB CH SF

Peavy 56.8 17.1 21.1 9.3 10.7 0

Dempster 54.7 30.9 1.7 0.1 5.5 7.1

 

PITCHES BY VELOCITY

Player FB SL CT CB CH SF

Peavy 91.4 82.6 86.6 78.2 83.3 N/A

Dempster 90.8 85.1 87.5 84.4 83.4 81.6

 

 

They throw different pitches in different ratios; Peavy is 4 years younger, has won a Cy Young and was a 3 time all-star. Dempster is 4 years older, hasn't come close to winning a Cy Young and is a 2 time AS.

 

I think perhaps they are seen as similar because people who don't like either think they are both mediocre. I don't think Peavy is Felix, but at a cost of only Iglesias it isn't a bad acquisition.

Edited July 31, 2013 by example1
Terrible formatting... apologies.

[User Name]

Don't be stupid.

 

Ironically, i should be the one saying that. You said "He is Dempster 2.0". It was a stupid thing to say, and you refuse to admit it.

 

Don't be stupid.

[RedSoxNC84]

I don't think Peavy is Felix, but at a cost of only Iglesias it isn't a bad acquisition.

 

Exactly, of course we'll have to see how the rest of the trade rounds out, but this is looking like a pretty solid move so far.

[iortiz]

Ironically, i should be the one saying that. You said "He is Dempster 2.0". It was a stupid thing to say, and you refuse to admit it.

 

Don't be stupid.

I would never compare Norris with Verlander. Do not be stupid. You are taking this out of context.

[Palodios]

Iggy is not the best starting SS for any team. After his fluke start where he got lucky with a bunch of fluke infield single he's now back to normal with a whopping 457 OPS in July

 

Iglesias's value is somewhere in between his monster first half, and this weak July. I think it is hard to judge Igleisias's based on his at bats against a very tough pitching month against guys like Iwakuma, Hernandez, Moore, Price, Colon, Pettite, Sabathia, Kuroda. He's still a rookie afterall, and needs to figure out upper tier pitching.