Trades before the deadline?

[SoxFanForsyth]

Will Middlebrooks + Bryce Brentz for Mark Trumbo. Who hangs up first?

[User Name]

And Dojji's love affair with absolutely every player on the Royals continues......

 

Then again, a trade for Butler or Alex Gordon would certainly improve this team.

[Dojji]

As would a rental of Santana.

[User Name]

It probably wouldn't. Have you taken a look at his peripherals?

[Standing Room]

Will Middlebrooks + Bryce Brentz for Mark Trumbo. Who hangs up first?

 

The Red Sox would hang up first. Mark Trumbo's a poor man's Daniel Nava.

[BSN07]

Will Middlebrooks + Bryce Brentz for Mark Trumbo. Who hangs up first?

 

Probably both teams hang up. But the Angels first more likely. WMB is a ? mark and OF is not what the Angels need.

[User Name]

Actually quite the opposite. Big power, poor OB skills @ SR

[kapsis21]

Will Middlebrooks + Bryce Brentz for Mark Trumbo. Who hangs up first?

 

yes this please!!!

[seabeachfred]

No fred, it's not all about this season. You have to take the future into consideration. That's how you sustain prolonged winning. When you blow your load and dump everything and one shot and it doesn't work out, you get 2012. I understand your concern for what they are going to do to help "this year" as I have some them as well. But when considering the future it's going to have an effect on who they will be in on. Lee is too expensive and Garza most likely too. SP is at a premium this time of year and Garza has managed to pitch decent so Theo is going to as for at least one top 10 prospect(just my guess) and will likely get it as there just isn't many bug name SP available.

 

My guess is to what they do? I have a couple thoughts.

 

1. Trade for a #4 or 5. Some guy to eat innings nothing overly on the excitement meter.

2. Go with a combo of Webster/RDLR/Ranaudo or some other in house prospect option.

3. Trade for RP and/or sign Brian Wilson

4. If they get really creative they could shop Lester(I could see them moving him if they had a replacement, I think they shop him next off season regardless), Drew, and WMB(I'd rather they didn't, but hey this one was supposed to be creative) and see what offers come back.

 

One other concern I have is Lackey. Not in how he's pitching, but how long can he do it? I haven't read anything, but common sense tells me he has to have some kind of innings limit coming off TJS? I mean if it was the last year of his deal then they could say f*** it and run him out there until his arm fell off. Anyone have any info about this topic? ANd I also think Lackey gets shopped after the season. If he continues to pitch like this all season, his value will never be hire.

 

Sure, you do not want to forego the future but it is possible to plan big for the future and still do some fine tuning with the team BSN. Hell, your suggestions to improved this year actually outstrip what I want to do-----Lee is too expensive but I don't think Garza would be since he has only a half-year remaining on his contract and Epstein is smart enough not ask for the moon for him. Cherington is also wise enough to call a halt should Theo get greedy. This could all me moot if the team slumps and goes into the tank, but as this season wears on it seems the team might be headed in the right direction if their record is of any indication. At any rate, Cherington will have to make some decisions pretty soon. I think most of us on are board with that.

[SoxFanForsyth]

Actually quite the opposite. Big power, poor OB skills @ SR

 

Yeah his post really confused me.

 

As for the Angels, they need a 3B badly. I think it's a deal that would work out for both teams. Perhaps the Sox would need to sweeten the deal a bit by going with WMB + Ranaudo (maybe Britton if they can get away with that), but that would give the Sox a much needed long term power bat at 1B. And while I love the SP depth the Sox have, you have to use some of it to address other needs.

[seabeachfred]

Ted, I think that after our West Coast trip Cherington will have a much better idea of which way to go---hold the fort, make a few fine tuning changes, or make a big trade. After this series with the Padres (and we shouldn't take these guys lightly at all) we embark on a tour of Anaheim, Oakland and Seattle, places where in the recent pass we have a big letdown. If this 2013 version of the Sox is the real deal and we come back in good shape with a winning road trip, it then will fall on the GM to decide what to do. I still feel Lee would be too expensive in both salary and what it would cost us to get him, and, sorry, I still like Garza for an upgrade in our rotation unless Doubrant can start eating innings and winning games. Of course, being as old as Methuselah, it always has to be one year at a time----if you noticed your friend's asinine sarcastic retort to what I wrote.

[SoxFanForsyth]

Probably both teams hang up. But the Angels first more likely. WMB is a ? mark and OF is not what the Angels need.

 

You're right - Sox probably need to go WMB and Ranaudo for Trumbo. Would address both teams needs

[User Name]

So Fred, do you still think Cherington is a "procrastinator" and a "boob"?

[Pal]

The Red Sox have the best offense in the majors and Brentz, Bradley, Bogaertz sitting in AAA. They need to turn their eyes onto pitching, and realistic pitching options at that. More of the Matt Thorntons of the world, and less on the Papelbons.

[seabeachfred]

No I don't. He has made some good moves over the past winter and while a couple of them were poor, on balance it has been a positive development. In addition, I think he is holding his cards close to his vest right now because I don't think he knows how good his team is, and I'm still not sure myself, only that we seem to be over-achieving. I do think, however, that after our West Coast trip he will have to decide to either stand pat, make some fine tuning with the roster for the bullpen and an additional starting pitcher, or go out and make the big deal. I lean towards the second right now. I think Ben has grown into the job and hope he makes the right move(s) to make our team even better.

[Dojji]

It probably wouldn't. Have you taken a look at his peripherals?

 

Which part of Santana's peripherals don't you like, the K/BB north of 3, the hit rate well south of 8, the 1.038 WHIP or the fact that he's on pace for well over 200 innings this year?

 

Sure, he's outerforming his FIP. A bit. His FIP is in the 3.89 range. His xFIP is even lower, 3.52. 100 innings of that would hardly hurt us. The man isn't quite as good as his ERA suggests, but he's a good strong durable 2-3 starter, and that's something you can't have too many of.

 

On the very short list of players it really makes sense to go hard after to upgrade a rotation, Ervin Santana is right near the top right now. NWIH he finishes the season in KC, it might as well be us that pays fair price for him

Edited July 4, 2013 by Dojji

[User Name]

BABIP, strand rate, difference between ERA and FIP. It screams regression. Couple that with his always-high HR rate and it screams Fenway disaster. On a side note, have you ever considered becoming a Royals fan? Because you sure love their players.

[Palodios]

However, Sanana may be one of the cheaper options on the market. Besides Cliff Lee, and Price I don't see many options that outclass Santana.

 

Gallardo, Garza, Shields, Peavy, Nolasco and company will cost significantly more, and may not give back much more production.

[User Name]

Sooooooo you don't trade for any of 'em? Why trade for the sake of trading? Either trade for a decent pitcher who's not comfortably outpitching his peripherals or stick with the farm.

[Dojji]

BABIP, strand rate, difference between ERA and FIP. It screams regression. Couple that with his always-high HR rate and it screams Fenway disaster. On a side note, have you ever considered becoming a Royals fan? Because you sure love their players.

 

It's my second team, in case that wasn't obvious.

 

Santana's BABIP is low but not absurd, and is the whole reason for the other two things you cited, and while it screams regression, it doesn't scream that hte man will suddenly suck. As I said, Santana's xFIP is 3.5-ish. That's a regression from an ERA in the low 2's sure, so you're not wrong, but a 3.5-ish pitcher who's as durable as Santana is is an upgrade over 3 different members of our rotation.

[Palodios]

Sooooooo you don't trade for any of 'em? Why trade for the sake of trading? Either trade for a decent pitcher who's not comfortably outpitching his peripherals or stick with the farm.

 

Well, personally I'd trade for Peavy

 

All the options scare me. Garza and Peavy have been hurt. Shields, and Price will cost no less than Xander Bogaertz.

 

I have the impression that Gallardo doesn't want to pitch in the AL. His no-trade list consists of a pile of hitter's parks. Its a bad sign when Cliff Lee is the best option for the Red Sox.

[SoxSport]

They seem to be doing OK shuffling lineups every day, and are getting timely hitting from different players. If they are going to expend resources, it seems to me it should be on pitching. Lee looks like he is too expensive for his age (watch the Yankees on him--they are getting desperate). Garza might be more affordable. I think they need some help on the back end of the BP. Uehara as fulltime closer is risky--he needs help at his age. Bailey's implosion really has messed things up. With him and Hanrahan down, seems they need another reliable pitcher back there. One guy who can help right now is DeLaRosa. Aceves as well. I would focus on shoring up the pitching. Always the weakest link. They still have in-house options in AAA. Edited July 4, 2013 by SoxSport

[SoxFanForsyth]

Well, personally I'd trade for Peavy

 

All the options scare me. Garza and Peavy have been hurt. Shields, and Price will cost no less than Xander Bogaertz.

 

I have the impression that Gallardo doesn't want to pitch in the AL. His no-trade list consists of a pile of hitter's parks. Its a bad sign when Cliff Lee is the best option for the Red Sox.

 

I would trade Bogaerts for Price in a heartbeat.

[a700hitter]

Well, personally I'd trade for Peavy

 

All the options scare me. Garza and Peavy have been hurt. Shields, and Price will cost no less than Xander Bogaertz.

 

I have the impression that Gallardo doesn't want to pitch in the AL. His no-trade list consists of a pile of hitter's parks. Its a bad sign when Cliff Lee is the best option for the Red Sox.

I agree. Also, I don't think there is a chance that we get Lee. I see him going to Texas again. I would look at adding a big bat. Nava is starting to come back to earth. Gomes could platoon with Victorino who needs to spell his aches and pains.

[User Name]

I would trade Bogaerts for Price in a heartbeat.

 

 

Why? He's going to be a FA soon enough. Why sacrifice a potential superstar when you can wait Price out and sign him as a FA? Again, throwing caution out the wind to go for the established name is the reason 2012 happened.

[SoxFanForsyth]

I agree. Also, I don't think there is a chance that we get Lee. I see him going to Texas again. I would look at adding a big bat. Nava is starting to come back to earth. Gomes could platoon with Victorino who needs to spell his aches and pains.

 

I agree that we probably need another stick for LF, unless of course we want to give Bradley the everyday job, which I would be fine with. He is hitting .305/.392/.552 with 7 HR in 42 AAA games this year

[SoxFanForsyth]

Why? He's going to be a FA soon enough. Why sacrifice a potential superstar when you can wait Price out and sign him as a FA? Again, throwing caution out the wind to go for the established name is the reason 2012 happened.

 

Price isn't a FA until 2016. That's 2.5 years of service, and it's club control, not a contract.

 

By the time he's a FA he will be 31.

Edited July 4, 2013 by SoxFanForsyth

[a700hitter]

I agree that we probably need another stick for LF, unless of course we want to give Bradley the everyday job, which I would be fine with. He is hitting .305/.392/.552 with 7 HR in 42 AAA games this year

He'll get the job next year in CF and he'll get to sink or swim. If we have a chance to make a deep run this year, I'd like to get a proven MLB stick that maybe can play LF next season too.

[User Name]

Price isn't a FA until 2017. That's 3.5 years of service, and it's club control, not a contract.

 

By the time he's a FA he will be 32.

 

He's a FA after '16, and again, i wouldn't trade a monster package (because you know XB alone won't be enough) for two years of a guy who may or may not sign an extension. It's almost impossible they'll trade him in-season, so it's two years of control you're looking at.

[SoxFanForsyth]

He's a FA after '16, and again, i wouldn't trade a monster package (because you know XB alone won't be enough) for two years of a guy who may or may not sign an extension. It's almost impossible they'll trade him in-season, so it's two years of control you're looking at.

 

Yeah I edited my post, I read it wrong. Either way, you're getting a top of the rotation pitcher. I wouldn't add much to a Bogaerts package, but if it was Bogaerts, Brentz, and 1 mid level guy, I'd pull the trigger.