Shoring Up the Rotation

[redsoxbeatz]

Hopefully aceves only starts once, on Sunday. Lackey will be back after.

[User Name]

Any word on the severity of the bicep strain then? Word on twitter (and i hate to steal SoxSport's schtick) is that he'll miss two turns, not one.

[Palodios]

Any word on the severity of the bicep strain then? Word on twitter (and i hate to steal SoxSport's schtick) is that he'll miss two turns, not one.

 

Farrel had mentioned the possibility of pulling Buch and Lester back a day because of the day off, which could possibly only make it one start (as in, one Aceves start). That being said, I agree with a700, its probably going to turn into 3-4 starts easy.

[seabeachfred]

Hopefully aceves only starts once, on Sunday. Lackey will be back after.

 

I think you might be a mite over optimistic about Lackey's early return. You've followed the Red Sox long enough to know that our medical staff has usually been off the mark in estimating the return of our players from the injury list. If you're right in this case there should be no harm done but if you're not we have to pray that Aceves gets his s*** together and gives us the type of work that Julian Taveras used to when he was called on to pinch hit on the mound for extended service in the Red Sox rotation.

 

For some strange reason I think Alfredo just might pleasantly surprise us, and if he doesn't you and others can get on my case.:):):):)

[Dojji]

I think we all couldn't Kalish what you think about him.

 

I've seen better.

 

I'd almost forgotten about Ryan Kalish. Crazy what 2 years of injury will do to a player's presence in the minds of fans.

[Lord Snow]

I've seen better.

 

I'd almost forgotten about Ryan Kalish. Crazy what 2 years of injury will do to a player's presence in the minds of fans.

 

Yeah, definitely. Kalish was a player that caught a lot of hype but simply never panned out.

 

I'm glad that he is more the exception than the rule. The Sox have been on a bit of a hot-streak when it comes to home-grown talent. It reminds me a lot of the surge from the mid-2000s that produced Pedroia, Youkilis, Papelbon, Lester, Ellsbury and ultimately the 2007 World Series. Then we kind of dipped into a bit of a prospect dark age where guys like Michael Bowden and Lars Anderson fizzled.

 

The reports on Webster and De La Rosa have been very encouraging. As has the report on Xander Bogaerts. Will Middlebrooks definitely seems to be the real deal, Iglesias has looked fantastic to start the year too, maybe he will finally be able to be a .250+ hitter. I like what Bradley has shown too.

 

Switching gears, what do you think about the Sox trading for one of the Giants' overpriced starters (namely Zito or Lincecum) perhaps a change of scenery could help one of them out in a contract year?

[Dojji]

Well it's a bit early to say he never panned out when he's only 25. The window is shrinking, but it really hasn't closed completely.

 

Switching gears, what do you think about the Sox trading for one of the Giants' overpriced starters (namely Zito or Lincecum) perhaps a change of scenery could help one of them out in a contract year?

 

I can't possibly count all the myriad ways and reasons I don't even touch Barry Zito.

 

As for Lincecum, I really doubt the Giants make him available. Not after one bad year.

[User Name]

The problem isn't whether or not the Giants make him available. The problem is he's toast. He's lost a ton of velocity and movement on his fastball, and he can't seem to adjust. It's more than just a one year thing all things considered.

 

Zito is a soft-tossing lefty. Fenway is murder for soft-tossing lefties.

[MJantomaso]

We are 7 games into the season and we are already talking trades?

 

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[Dojji]

We are 7 games into the season and we are already talking trades?

 

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I'm surprised you're surprised. This roster isn't a finished work by any means. They never are. But clearly some moves have to happen in the very near future anyway, such as figuring out whether you really need/want Carp for example and then where you go from there with that roster spot.

[a700hitter]

We're only 7 games into the season and we already had a starting pitcher grab his arm on the mound unable to continue.

[NYlove4BoSox]

So Aceves tomorrow, and no indication whether Lackey will miss more than one. So that's encouraging.

[a700hitter]

So Aceves tomorrow, and no indication whether Lackey will miss more than one. So that's encouraging.

Has Lackey long tossed or thrown at all since the injury?

[MJantomaso]

We're only 7 games into the season and we already had a starting pitcher grab his arm on the mound unable to continue.

 

He's our 5th man in the rotation and It's an inflamed biceps. Throw in a spot starter until he can return. Aceves may be a head case but he is a much better option than trading for a washed up NL pitcher that will end up getting ripped and continue to more bitching and moaning.

[a700hitter]

He's our 5th man in the rotation and It's an inflamed biceps. Throw in a spot starter until he can return. Aceves may be a head case but he is a much better option than trading for a washed up NL pitcher that will end up getting ripped and continue to more bitching and moaning.

Are you saying that you expect each our starters to make all of their remaining starts, with the exception of the 1 being missed by Lackey?

[NYlove4BoSox]

Has Lackey long tossed or thrown at all since the injury?

 

True. So that's the next test, and maybe the deciding factor whether its 1 or 2 starts.

What's the reasoning for switching the 5th spot with Doubront's 4th spot tomorrow? Especially with the off day Tues. I assume then they get switched back next week.

 

Edit: so I see that Ace has good #'s against the O's, and Felix against the Rays. Maybe that's it.

[User Name]

Lackey has officially been placed on the 15-day DL.

[MJantomaso]

Are you saying that you expect each our starters to make all of their remaining starts, with the exception of the 1 being missed by Lackey?

 

Did I say that? You are talking about making trades because our 5th spot in the rotation has a god damn inflamed biceps lol. I mean if someone goes down with a major injury then ya, lets go out and get another arm. Until then, lets use the farm system and Aceves for spot starts.

[a700hitter]

Did I say that? You are talking about making trades because our 5th spot in the rotation has a god damn inflamed biceps lol. I mean if someone goes down with a major injury then ya, lets go out and get another arm. Until then, lets use the farm system and Aceves for spot starts.

i haven't suggested that we pursue a trade(s).

[MJantomaso]

i haven't suggested that we pursue a trade(s).

 

Well that was my point. I was wondering why some people are in hot stove mode 7 games into the season.

[Quinny]

Lackey has officially been placed on the 15-day DL.

 

Alex Wilson called up as a result.

[Dojji]

.. suggesting that for now, your answer in the rotation is Aceves.

[BSN07]

I figured they would DL him(was it retroactive?) and he miss 2-3 starts on the short end. This is why they have put up with Aceves issues, this is the role he has excelled in. I think the team would be alright with him as the #5 for a month. If it's longer then alternatives should be explored.

[Quinny]

Aceves will be solid for that short term plan. It's pretty much what he wants to do all along, so that should give him motivation to fill the spot well in his 2 starts. Wilson will fill in Aceves' spot as the long relief man in the pen during these next few weeks. Wilson is a decent fill in for that sort of roll

[a700hitter]

Aceves has had only 9 career starts. It is not a role in which he excels. He has been a better reliever.

[BSN07]

Aceves has had only 9 career starts. It is not a role in which he excels. He has been a better reliever.

 

So he wasn't successful in 2011 as the teams swing man? News to me. 4 spot starts and 114 IP at a 2.61 ERA seems more then just a reliever :dunno:

[a700hitter]

So he wasn't successful in 2011 as the teams swing man? News to me. 4 spot starts and 114 IP at a 2.61 ERA seems more then just a reliever :dunno:

I looked at his career splits as a starter. All of his numbers are worse across the board when compared to his reliever stats. His ERA is up about half of a run as starter. Yes, he excels as a long reliever/swingman, but he has not exceled in his career starts.

[jung]

We don't even know what Ace would excel in at this point. So far based on the Ace we have not the Ace we had, I would say nothing.

 

As for being solid for a few starts if you want to call seeing a bomb going into the stratosphere every other or every third inning solid then yes I guess Ace will be solid.

[BSN07]

I looked at his career splits as a starter. All of his numbers are worse across the board when compared to his reliever stats. His ERA is up about half of a run as starter. Yes, he excels as a long reliever/swingman, but he has not exceled in his career starts.

 

I can't believe you used that to try and make your argument A whole half run, what the hell was I thinking?

[a700hitter]

I can't believe you used that to try and make your argument A whole half run, what the hell was I thinking?

That was just an example of one stat that is worse in his starts than his relief appearances. Look up his splits. All of his stats as a starter are worse than they are when he is a reliever. There is no basis to say that he excels as a spot starter --- none at all.