Mariners-Hamilton Talks

[BSN07]

I think if they did get Hamilton that means both Granderson and Cano are gone after the season. Maybe even traded now. That be the only way they get Hamilton and follow through on their budget plan which I think they are trying to do. if the didn't care about the budget they would have signed Chavez(who would be extremely useful next year) and Martin.

[BSN07]

He's not a pitcher. He is in his prime years.

 

That and he would most likely take over at DH after Papi possibly.

[a700hitter]

I think if they did get Hamilton that means both Granderson and Cano are gone after the season. Maybe even traded now. That be the only way they get Hamilton and follow through on their budget plan which I think they are trying to do. if the didn't care about the budget they would have signed Chavez(who would be extremely useful next year) and Martin.

Of the two, I think the move Grandy, unless they have reason to believe the PED rumors about Cano.

[BSN07]

Of the two, I think the move Grandy, unless they have reason to believe the PED rumors about Cano.

 

They would probably move Grandy and let Cano walk after the year. The Boras crusade for Cano being the next 200M player will be a entertaining storyline next off season.

[Lucienbel]

It definitely seems like they're going to let Granderson go, especially with some decent outfielders going to be ready relatively soon. It'll be interesting to see what they do with Cano. That's a whole lot of production at a place that typically doesn't produce at all. They'd really have to get strong in a few other places to get that back if they were to let him go.

 

They would probably move Grandy and let Cano walk after the year. The Boras crusade for Cano being the next 200M player will be a entertaining storyline next off season.

 

Should be really interesting. The fact that there aren't a whole lot of amazing second basemen in the game really makes me think he'll end up getting some absolutely outrageous salary. There's a healthy amount of teams out there that would love to have him.

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

He's past his prime, he has a history of substance abuse problems, and Boston's an incredibly high pressure situation after what happened last year. That's a recipe for disaster. We cleared a lot of bad contract money off the decks in August, turning around and pissing it all away again on Hamilton is a dumb move. Let Hamilton go vanish in Seattle, go after Swisher and other pieces instead.

 

Valid points but he isn't passed his prime.

[SoxSport]

A lot of the Yankee stuff on Hamilton is media driven. So much of the media is centered in NY, with the TV networks, ESPN, MLB TV, etc., the Yankees invariably become their favorite topic. Plus the advertising factor in the biggest TV market.

 

There is always media pressure on the Yankees or any other NY team to win. Make the playoffs, etc. It's important for TV. Now the Fox coast in the West is challenging that. We'll see how that plays out.

 

Right now, the Yankees are under media pressure to do something. They did nothing in the Winter meetings. They are almost obligated to become interested in Hamilton--but they have other more critical issues right now. It's a very old team.

[Lucienbel]

A lot of the Yankee stuff on Hamilton is media driven. So much of the media is centered in NY, with the TV networks, ESPN, MLB TV, etc., the Yankees invariably become their favorite topic. Plus the advertising factor in the biggest TV market.

 

There is always media pressure on the Yankees or any other NY team to win. Make the playoffs, etc. It's important for TV. Now the Fox coast in the West is challenging that. We'll see how that plays out.

 

Right now, the Yankees are under media pressure to do something. They did nothing in the Winter meetings. They are almost obligated to become interested in Hamilton--but they have other more critical issues right now. It's a very old team.

 

I'd say that Fox on the West Coast is already starting to do a decent job. The Dodgers are getting talked about loads more than they used to. These TV deals work in an interesting day.....you have a ton of money to spend now because of huge TV deals and networks, and then these huge networks end up talking about you. Really bought the Dodgers their way into the spotlight.

[dupree]

A lot of the Yankee stuff on Hamilton is media driven. So much of the media is centered in NY, with the TV networks, ESPN, MLB TV, etc., the Yankees invariably become their favorite topic. Plus the advertising factor in the biggest TV market.

 

There is always media pressure on the Yankees or any other NY team to win. Make the playoffs, etc. It's important for TV. Now the Fox coast in the West is challenging that. We'll see how that plays out.

 

Right now, the Yankees are under media pressure to do something. They did nothing in the Winter meetings. They are almost obligated to become interested in Hamilton--but they have other more critical issues right now. It's a very old team.

 

Agreed. I think a lot of players' agent or tip of sources to get ahold of media sources to drive up the price on their client & make it seem a lot more team are involved so teams react & pay out quicker.. plus i think a lot is just made up rumors to keep fans talking &the interested when not many moves are happening

[mvp 78]

I want the Yanks to sign Hamilton for personal reasons.

 

For Josh and his sobriety, he should go to Seattle.

[a700hitter]

I want the Yanks to sign Hamilton for personal reasons.

 

For Josh and his sobriety, he should go to Seattle.

Why? Do you want to see if he can knock the upper deck off Yankee Stadium in right field?

[mvp 78]

Why? Do you want to see if he can knock the upper deck off Yankee Stadium in right field?

 

He won't be able to handle NYC.

[SoxSport]

Hamilton is better off staying in Texas, or even Seattle, than coming to the East coast. He's really a pretty fragile guy, when it comes to his personal problems, and he should stay away from the media in the Boston-NY axis.

[jacksonianmarch]

SS, that's definitely a concern. Might he wilt under the pressure or get sauced regularly?

[wyo-sox]

Josh is very open about his addictions and has a solid accountability system, which is why there is concern over the media in Boston. I am not all that worried. It is really naive to think there are not lots of other mlb players or red sox players hooked on dope, pills, alcohol and peds. And it is not like he was using last week, he has a solid track record of being clean. Seems to me Josh has done well witth success. I see no direct link to media pressure, baseball success or pressure and his past abuse of drugs. If anything, the opposite.

[a700hitter]

He won't be able to handle NYC.

He will not be the center of attention in NY. There are so many other big egos in NY fighting for media time that he would fly under the radar. Boston puts its athletes under a more intense microscope.

 

I think a big metropolis whether it be Boston, NY or some other big city is less of a threat to an addict. There is much more to keep the addict busy or occupied. The boredom of a small town IMO would be more difficult to handle. People make a big deal about the press affecting him. I think when you get to the level where you have handled the real pressure of going out and performing for years in front of big crowd standing in the batters box against major league pitchers throwing 95 mph where the spotlight is on you that the press is almost a non factor to the players.

 

Unlike you, I don't want to see the Yankees get this guy.

[jung]

I think Hamilton would be fine in either place if the team he went to provided him the same regimen that Texas has used. That is not from what I remember a small imposition for him nor a small inconvenience for the team. But I would not risk having him start up with a new team without the trimmings in tow.

[Behindenemylines]

I think Seattle is his fall back location. I still think his place is staying in Texas and its all about the length of the contract. The $panks didn't do a lot in Nashville and I could see them coming in under the radar at the last minute and signing him. The only way he ends up in Boston is on a 3 year big $$$$ deal. With the Sox its not about the $$$$ its the years. If he is set on a 5 year deal then its the Rangers, $panks, or the Mariners. Now if you see the Sox move Ellsbury in the next couple of weeks (Which they say they are not) then the Hamilton think might happen. I don't see it though.

[BSN07]

I think Seattle is his fall back location. I still think his place is staying in Texas and its all about the length of the contract. The $panks didn't do a lot in Nashville and I could see them coming in under the radar at the last minute and signing him. The only way he ends up in Boston is on a 3 year big $$$$ deal. With the Sox its not about the $$$$ its the years. If he is set on a 5 year deal then its the Rangers, $panks, or the Mariners. Now if you see the Sox move Ellsbury in the next couple of weeks (Which they say they are not) then the Hamilton think might happen. I don't see it though.

 

Ellsbury wouldn't be traded without a replacement already in place.

[Behindenemylines]

Ellsbury wouldn't be traded without a replacement already in place.

 

If and a BIG if, the Sox were to sign Hamilton they slide Victorino over to CF until Bradley is ready to go.

[BSN07]

If and a BIG if, the Sox were to sign Hamilton they slide Victorino over to CF until Bradley is ready to go.

 

Most likely, eventually it be Hamilton in LF Bradley in CF and Victorino in RF. Then Hamilton rotating into the DH spot after Papi is gone.

[BSN07]

Texas just traded Young. I have a feeling they might go for both Hamilton and Grienke.

 

That would also leave AZ without it's most interested trade partner for Upton.

[Lucienbel]

Texas just traded Young. I have a feeling they might go for both Hamilton and Grienke.

 

That would also leave AZ without it's most interested trade partner for Upton.

 

I always feel so bad for this guy. Quality player and Texas has pretty much gone for the last three or four years and told him they didn't want him, only to get him to agree to change positions and still put up excellent numbers all the time. Hopefully he can go to Philly and have a consistent role with them.

[Palodios]

Texas just traded Young. I have a feeling they might go for both Hamilton and Grienke.

 

That would also leave AZ without it's most interested trade partner for Upton.

 

I don't necessarily think that is true. They only save 6 million from that trade. Greinke+ Upton still seems the more likely scenario.

[MNSoxChief102]

Texas just traded Young. I have a feeling they might go for both Hamilton and Grienke.

 

That would also leave AZ without it's most interested trade partner for Upton.

 

Trading Young gives them flexibility lineup wise in the infield. They could move Kinsler to first base and play Profar at second with Andrus at short and Beltre at third.

[DocHolliday]

Trading Young gives them flexibility lineup wise in the infield. They could move Kinsler to first base and play Profar at second with Andrus at short and Beltre at third.

 

That would make a lot more sense than trying to move Kinsler to LF or CF.

 

Question then becomes where do you play Olt and what do you do with Moreland?

 

Most likely, Moreland becomes tradeable and Olt is the primary DH and gets time at 1B and 3B.

[dupree]

1st off i do hope they get Greinke & not the Dodgers

But it seems the Dodgers are tired of waiting on Greinke to decide when they feel like he is just using them to drive his price up

 

2nd Texas wont have that big of log jam in the infield if they make the trade with the DBacks.... In the Upton trade they are gonna want atleast two players. Olt Moreland Profar Kinsler or Andrus two of which will be traded plus prolly some prospect pitchers not high end but descent to sweeten the deal

All of this depends on if they do the deal straight up

I think the Guardians & Mariners & Rays are just gonna complicate the trade too much so talks will continue but eventually the Rangers will pull the trigger when Grienke is signed

[BSN07]

I don't necessarily think that is true. They only save 6 million from that trade. Greinke+ Upton still seems the more likely scenario.

 

hmmm didn't realize it was only 6M. Upton would seem more likely then. I think Grienke is a near lock. Seems Texas blew him away and it seems a very good match for Grienke.

 

If they do get Upton Olt is going somewhere. So worrying about where to fit him in won't be an issue. Kinsler move to 1B is interesting. But I can see them letting Profar marinate at AAA keeping Kinsler at 2B and letting Andrus play the season out at SS.

[MNSoxChief102]

That would make a lot more sense than trying to move Kinsler to LF or CF.

 

Question then becomes where do you play Olt and what do you do with Moreland?

 

Most likely, Moreland becomes tradeable and Olt is the primary DH and gets time at 1B and 3B.

 

The Rangers have been very open to moving Olt this offseason from what I've read, if he helps them land a big fish like Upton.

[Behindenemylines]

The Rangers hold the key to what a lot of teams do moving forward. They are in on the two big FA (Hamilton and Greike). Once those two are off the board then you will probably see a lot of movement with the remaining SP on the market. I just hope when the dust clears the Sox have added the SP that they really need.