10/2 vs Yankees

[jung]

It does not matter whether Paps regressed or not....this team would not have handed Paps the ball with enough opportunities to have won to have mattered....and likely won't be handing any closer the ball with chances to win enough times to matter next year and maybe the year after...by that time Paps contract is up and you have him again if you want him.

[iortiz]

We would've had Reddick as an outfielder and that's something around 3 more wins. Bard would still start though and Aceves and Melancon suck regardless of the role. However that extra 13 mil. would have meant either no Papi or no Ross, and you're stuck paying 13 mil a year to a closer when you don't have a competing team.

 

All we needed was a solid SP and keep Pap. Bard should have kept his set up role where he was already proved. Aceves should have kept his mid-reliever role where he was very good in 2011.

 

This would have gave us a chance to compete at least this year IMO.

[dsd420]

Go sox. Us Os fans cheering for u. f*** THE YANKS

[a700hitter]

All we needed was a solid SP and keep Pap. Bard should have kept his set up role where he was already proved. Aceves should have kept his mid-reliever role where he was very good in 2011.

 

This would have gave us a chance to compete at least this year IMO.

I agree with this. They didn't do what needed to be done in the FO and we knew they had a thin margin for error and the wheels came off this team quickly and spectacularly.

[v2freak]

Papelbon also went to the NL, which is different than facing the Devil Rays and Yankees every other week. But he was darn good, and he does an awesome Francona impression.

 

Lavarnway with the hat trick today. He and Iglesias are big ol holes in the line up

[Station 13]

You f***ing ******* Lavarnway and Valentine.

[a700hitter]

Ciriaco gets walked intentionally? Wow, that's how helpless Iglesias is at bat that they will walk Ciriaco intentionally.

[Station 13]

Not pinch hitting for Lavarnway with Gomez is f***ing absurd. Jesus f***ing Christ, he is betraying his relievers. *******.

[jung]

"A" solid starting pitcher? are you kidding me? A starting pitcher would have lifted these starters enough above 27 out of 30 to have mattered?

 

This team is 22 games below 500. To compete you have to be something like 15 to 20 games above 500. That is a 35-40 game swing. Please...be serious....

 

The rotation is a complete fail and will need at least two pitchers plus a return to form for Lester, plus the best Buch can offer, plus a Lackey that recovers entirely from TJ. You have two guys that we have not even named, three guys that are total question marks and we have not even started to talk about pitching depth...Good grief....I guess our depth is Doubront and Morales...but who cares...so we have some guys that can step in once some real pitcher goes down.....

 

Please lets not have another of these, we were only one or two players away discussions because they don't live anywhere on the right side of Alice's looking glass. I guess we can have them but they are not at all realistic discussions of what this team was and is.

[iortiz]

Or maybe he left town because the FO never made him an offer or gave him any indication that he was going to get an offer.

 

Papelbon has been as steady as could be for 7 years-- consistently excellent.

 

Yup.

 

As we said. This guy is driving in the same Mo's highway... reason why he deserved that contract.

[jung]

Yep that is....A starting pitcher and paps and we would have been competing for the division....you have got to be kidding me!

[iortiz]

Ciriaco gets walked intentionally? Wow, that's how helpless Iglesias is at bat that they will walk Ciriaco intentionally.

 

Iglesias does not deserve a spot in our roster next season. He simply can not hit in the majors.

[Station 13]

Iglesias does not deserve a spot in our roster next season. He simply can not hit in the majors.

 

He can't hit in the minors either. He is a defensive replacement at best if he doesn't improve.

[dsd420]

What a play ellsbury

[a700hitter]

It would be sweet to make the Yankees sweat tomorrow.

[Bellhorn04]

If they had signed Papelbon they wouldn't have traded Reddick and wouldn't have signed Ross. Ross has had an OK year but to keep him they're going to have to pay him a lot more than 3 million, and a lot more than Reddick will be making. This offsets a chunk of the money saved by letting Papelbon go.

[jung]

That is Ells major contribution on defense.....he easily ranges in CF better than anybody the Sox have and in with the best CF in baseball...lf he had any kind of an arm at all he might be the best CF in baseball or certainly within the top three. As it is maybe he is top seven to ten but that arm is nothing more than a pop gun...and he cannot even make throws from middle depth CF...has actually yet to throw a ball past the pitchers mound on a throw of any depth, short, middle or otherwise the entire season.

[TutGadol]

Haha that was the best part of the game so far.

[iortiz]

Yep that is....A starting pitcher and paps and we would have been competing for the division....you have got to be kidding me!

 

C'mon jung...you are not seeing all the collateral effects that this could have caused.

 

Sure, it is hard to say but our chances would have been different, you bet. Imagine a 2012 with a guy like Kuroda or Buehrle and Pap. Imagine Bard and Aceves in their habitual roles. Imagine not selling Gonzo. Imagine still having Reddick. Imagine still having Scutaro. bla bla....

 

It is definitely a different scenario jung

[dsd420]

It's funny how the Os offered the manager job to valentine before showalter.

[Station 13]

Nava, you turd.

[jung]

Riddick is nothing more than a nice ballplayer that is streaky as hell. I would have liked to have him but Reddick did not create the need for Ross...uncertainty about Crawford and Kalish created the need for Ross and Riddick did not have a good enough year in 2011 to offset the need to protect anyway. We would have needed to protect Crawford and Riddick instead of Crawford and Kalish. Nobody had some crystal ball that said Riddick would even be what he has turned out to be in Oakland and there are surely no guarantees that Riddick would have been in Boston even what he has been in Oakland.

 

We are loosing track of the ball gentlemen....the issue is and has been starting pitching by a long shot...nothing about Paps helped that...the closer is not even the second biggest issue on this team...the second biggest issue is the lack of timely hitting up and down the order....even when we were scoring enough to be #2 in baseball we were scoring buckets of useless runs...scoring 10 when we could have won on 4 and scoring fewer than three when four or five would have won us a game.

[dsd420]

Too many what ifs. One bad year the sox had and the sox have a lot of money to spend next year so don't worry

[Station 13]

So much for that.

[Taz]

WTF, Miller. Way to pitch into a jam & then blow the hard work over the past 3 inning.

[Bellhorn04]

Too many what ifs. One bad year the sox had and the sox have a lot of money to spend next year so don't worry

 

A lot of money, true. There have just been so many bad moves the last few years that it's hard to muster much confidence that they will suddenly start making a series of good moves.

[Divinity]

Great win tonight, magic number down to one. :thumbsup:

[TutGadol]

Good riddance

[Bellhorn04]

Bailey gift wraps the division title for the Yankees. Nice job Andrew.

[Palodios]

Wow, I turn on the tv, I'm watching less than ten seconds, and its game over. Lots of damage to the Yankee bullpen though.

 

Best case scenario: If the Red Sox win a tough fought bullpen game tomorrow, the Orioles pull out a win.... The Yankees are going to be in one hell of a week, with an AL East tiebreaker, and possibly a wild card game immediately after that.