6/28 Franklin Morales and King of TalkSox Mojo vs. King Felix and the Mariners

[a700hitter]

A huge test for Morales going up against King Felix. Hopefully, some King of TalkSox mojo can help.

 

King Felix vs. King of TalkSox-- Mano a Mano with some help from Francklin Morales and the Red Sox.:lol:

[ellsburyforMVP]

i hate a west coast trip after a home game.... 3,000 miles after an afternoon gm, makes for a s***** day

[Brown28]

Felix hasn't bee great this year and the PawSox have a more dangerous offese than the Mariners. I say 3 of 4 and only giving them one cause of the travel and time change

[redsoxbeatz]

Not even on topic, odds of Red Sox pursuing Cliff Lee??

 

Sweep the Mariners, it has to be done. Morales will give us a quality start fo sho.

[SoxFanForsyth]

Not even on topic, odds of Red Sox pursuing Cliff Lee??

 

Sweep the Mariners, it has to be done. Morales will give us a quality start fo sho.

 

Lets move this to the Trade Deadline thread, so that Jacko can pee his pants about it. I'll quote this over there but just letting you know I'm responding over there.

[redsoxbeatz]

Lets move this to the Trade Deadline thread' date=' so that Jacko can pee his pants about it. I'll quote this over there but just letting you know I'm responding over there.[/quote']

Good call SFF.

[SemperFi Sox]

Hopefully McDonald and Lillibridge are in the lineup

[SoxSport]

I'm guessing the Yankees will also be in the market for a pitcher, with Pettite and CC DLed.

[BornToRun]

I'm guessing the Yankees will also be in the market for a pitcher' date=' with Pettite and CC DLed.[/quote']

 

Well then let's make sure we land one for ourselves. I still think we can pry the division away from new York when we get healthy. Pound for pound I feel like we're the better team.

[Jerry_Remy]

Seattle lost today while only giving up 2 hits, both solo bombs. 2-1. Anemic offense. If we can get a couple early we can really set the tone for this series. Felix has typically been strong against the Sox, but in his last 2 starts against Boston, he's thrown 6.50+ FIP ball. Hopefully the beginning of a trend.

[BornToRun]

Seattle lost today while only giving up 2 hits' date=' both solo bombs. 2-1. Anemic offense. If we can get a couple early we can really set the tone for this series. Felix has typically been strong against the Sox, but in his last 2 starts against Boston, he's thrown 6.50+ FIP ball. Hopefully the beginning of a trend.[/quote']

 

Plus we have the immortal Franklin morales toeing the rubber for us.

[redsoxbeatz]

I wonder if Morales will be allowed to throw more than 86 pitches this time out?

[redsoxbeatz]

Through Boston's first 75 games, Ortiz is on pace for 45 home runs, 114 RBIs and a .309 batting average. Those numbers, at his age, would put him in rare company.

 

Only three players have reached all three of those figures in a season after turning 36: Babe Ruth, Hank Aaron and Barry Bonds.

 

Ruth is the only American League player with at least 40 home runs and a .300 batting average after age 36, having done so in 1931 and 1932. In the National League, Bonds and Ruth are joined by Andres Galarraga.

[Emmz]

So where's that f***ing thread about Ortiz slumping for a few games at? Yeah.

[jacksonianmarch]

Franklin Morales will go 6IP, allow 2ER and everyone will call him a saviour because he shut down the Mariners in SafeCo, lol.

[mvp 78]

He'll throw 80% of his pitches for strikes and some people will still bitch about him and his command, lol.

[a700hitter]

Franklin Morales will go 6IP' date=' allow 2ER and everyone will call him a saviour because he shut down the Mariners in SafeCo, lol.[/quote']If he does that he will gain more confidence and credibility to fill a starting role. His stuff has been lights out inv his recent outings.

[Station 13]

Morales been nails not afraid to leave his heater at the letters since he could throw 95-96. I expected that from Bard, instead we got a s*** 91-92 and he can't control it after April.

 

Morales is only 26 years old so there's upside to him.

[TylerD]

So where's that f***ing thread about Ortiz slumping for a few games at? Yeah.

 

There should be a hide button. Hide the thread and keep it for when Ortiz isn't hitting fifty home runs a week lol

[jung]

I think Morales definitely could be something special. With pitching such a priority for everybody everywhere, you do have to wonder why he was not given more time to develop as a starter....the why did people give up on him question

 

or

 

Maybe he is truly a flash in the pan.

 

I loved the way he threw in his last outing. I just could not believe that smooth and flowing delivery.....it was something I had not seen in any of his previous stints in relief and did not see in the first starting stint either when using the full wind up.

 

It seems pretty clear from that performance, the key is how he slots his arm angle and maintaining that smooth, flowing delivery. It is what made that stint look so effortless. However just the fact that I had not seen it in any of his previous stints probably says something about the kinds of things that get in his way.

 

Would love to see him turn into a stud. If anything we have more question marks in the rotation now than when we started the season. As a group they really have not distinguished themselves to this point. For different reasons they have all been up and down. Beckett has been the most dependable of them but Beckett will have missed 5 starts by mid-season and will have had two complete whip-outs. Not exactly something that instills confidence.

 

Lester has finally settled at about a 2-3 in a rotation. I have given up on Lester as a 1. Simply does not have the head or the pitches to be a 1.

 

Buch is throwing as good as he can throw right now....certainly as good as we have ever seen him throw. However he always seems one step away from the DL which he usually does visit for a variety of reasons.....come to think of it.....

 

Felix is fine but as I have said before once you get down to guys at the back end of the rotation, even if they play something of a staring role when compared to other back end rotation guys, there is just so much you can expect to get from back there. dice is dice. I think we have seen enough of him to know what he is. My hope for dice is that he shows about what he has shown so far for the rest of the season. If he does that then 4 and 5 seem OK in this rotation.

 

Still does not look like a top of the league rotation to me. They are mired down there middle of the pack in this league for a reason. As a group, that is what they are. So either we get a guy or we don't. I would prefer to only give up a solid prospect or prospects if we can get a guy with time on his contract or clear up any contract issues at the signing. I would not give up much for a rental.

 

The downside of the new WC format is questioning how much you are willing to give up just to gain access to the 1 game play in. Fortunately the Sox have a shot at the division....at least they do today. Also we get four with the Yanks before the ASB. So we get to see how we really stack up before making a final decision. I just cannot see us playing for the division with this rotation as is. So what do you want to do BC....play for the division.....play for the WC?

[kapsis21]

jung i almost always agree with your analysis, and you are spot on atleast for me.

 

Morales can be the diamond in the rough we seem to find.

DiceK can start to turn things around and if he does that will get us a huge bump

Beckett needs to be himself

Buch is starting to turn it around

Lester is not being himself but i will say 1 more month for Lester to get more quality starts and he starts getting more and more into his groove.

and Doubbie seems like he is getting tired. he is certainly looking like the odd man out based on his last 2 starts which is small sample i agree but he was serving BP practise against the Jays the other day.

and Cook is looking decent as well.

BV will have to make a decission, i would say Cook goes to bullpen and comes in to save when Doubbie or DiceK take a crap.

[VA Sox Fan]

Pitching matchups for the Mariners series

 

Posted by Peter Abraham, Globe Staff June 28, 2012 09:15 AM

 

Thursday: LHP Franklin Morales (1-1, 3.12) vs. RHP Felix Hernandez (5-5, 3.36), 10:10 p.m., NESN

 

Friday: RHP Aaron Cook (1-1, 9.39) vs. RHP Hector Noesi (2-9, 5.50), 10:10 p.m., NESN

 

Saturday: RHP Josh Beckett (4-7, 4.14) vs. RHP Erasmo Ramirez (0-2, 4.18), 10:10 p.m., NESN, MLB Network

 

Sunday: LHP Felix Doubront (8-4, 4.54) vs. LHP Jason Vargas (7-7, 4.54), 4:10 p.m., NESN

[SoxFanForsyth]

Pitching matchups for the Mariners series

 

Posted by Peter Abraham, Globe Staff June 28, 2012 09:15 AM

 

Thursday: LHP Franklin Morales (1-1, 3.12) vs. RHP Felix Hernandez (5-5, 3.36), 10:10 p.m., NESN

 

Friday: RHP Aaron Cook (1-1, 9.39) vs. RHP Hector Noesi (2-9, 5.50), 10:10 p.m., NESN

 

Saturday: RHP Josh Beckett (4-7, 4.14) vs. RHP Erasmo Ramirez (0-2, 4.18), 10:10 p.m., NESN, MLB Network

 

Sunday: LHP Felix Doubront (8-4, 4.54) vs. LHP Jason Vargas (7-7, 4.54), 4:10 p.m., NESN

 

Really like our chances for a sweep here, and the chances for the Tigers to take 3/4.

[SoxFanForsyth]

God I cannot wait to see this guy..

 

http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=18963929&c_id=mlb

 

And this guy...

 

http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=19499697&c_id=mlb

 

Especially hitting back to back in the order.

[TutGadol]

Frnaklin Morales this year isn't a fluke.

 

His line is 8.3/.5/2.3/9.6 (H/HR/BB/K per 9). His FIP is lower then his ERA (2.8 vs. 3.12), both his SIERA and tERA are below 3. He wasn't lucky, he was really that good.

 

His BABIP is .319, it's a chunk above both the league and his own average. Even in his weak years he generated a sub .300 BABIP. His LOB% is at 75.8%, which is a bit high but understandable considering his low WHIP of 1.18.

 

I know people are complaining because of his 5.4% HR/FB, however in his case his HR/FB% is lying. Morales's FB% is 39%, just sightly above the league average, However 55% (!!) of the fly balls he generates stay in the infield. This is understandable considering the late movement his fastball has up in the zone and above it, hitters will often swing under it or pop it up. Because of his high IFFB% I believe a more appropriate stat for his line will be HR/OFFB% (Home-runs per outfield fly ball percentage). I calculated the league average HR/OFFB% to be at 13.15%, based on the stats I found on fangraphs. Morales HR/OFFB% stands at an average 13.13%. Again, stating Morales thus far wasn't lucky, he's really that good and even better.

 

In addition, his K/9 doesn't appear to be dropping. his O-contact% and especially his Z-Contact% are below average. And hitters are swinging at his pitches 48.8% of the time (League average is 46%), which isn't vastly beyond average but it does indicate his strikeouts are no flukes, and I predict they will stay high when starting as long as he goes the amount of innings that allow him to throw at the low to mid-high 90s.

 

Why, yes. I am a sabermetrics whore.

[TutGadol]

Also, I'm sort of hoping for Ichiro to get some hits (As long as he doesn't score or drive anybody in). He is my favorite non-sox player, I don't like seeing him hitting below 300.

[CaliSoxFan04]

ahh I hate when the Sox come to the west other than Anaheim have to wait all day for baseball

[a700hitter]

Frnaklin Morales this year isn't a fluke.

 

His line is 8.3/.5/2.3/9.6 (H/HR/BB/K per 9). His FIP is lower then his ERA (2.8 vs. 3.12), both his SIERA and tERA are below 3. He wasn't lucky, he was really that good.

 

His BABIP is .319, it's a chunk above both the league and his own average. Even in his weak years he generated a sub .300 BABIP. His LOB% is at 75.8%, which is a bit high but understandable considering his low WHIP of 1.18.

 

I know people are complaining because of his 5.4% HR/FB, however in his case his HR/FB% is lying. Morales's FB% is 39%, just sightly above the league average, However 55% (!!) of the fly balls he generates stay in the infield. This is understandable considering the late movement his fastball has up in the zone and above it, hitters will often swing under it or pop it up. Because of his high IFFB% I believe a more appropriate stat for his line will be HR/OFFB% (Home-runs per outfield fly ball percentage). I calculated the league average HR/OFFB% to be at 13.15%, based on the stats I found on fangraphs. Morales HR/OFFB% stands at an average 13.13%. Again, stating Morales thus far wasn't lucky, he's really that good and even better.

 

In addition, his K/9 doesn't appear to be dropping. his O-contact% and especially his Z-Contact% are below average. And hitters are swinging at his pitches 48.8% of the time (League average is 46%), which isn't vastly beyond average but it does indicate his strikeouts are no flukes, and I predict they will stay high when starting as long as he goes the amount of innings that allow him to throw at the low to mid-high 90s.

 

Why, yes. I am a sabermetrics whore.

I didn't look at these numbers. It looks like great research. IMO, the guy is just throwing the s*** out of the ball in these multi-inning outings.

[BornToRun]

Frnaklin Morales this year isn't a fluke.

 

His line is 8.3/.5/2.3/9.6 (H/HR/BB/K per 9). His FIP is lower then his ERA (2.8 vs. 3.12), both his SIERA and tERA are below 3. He wasn't lucky, he was really that good.

 

His BABIP is .319, it's a chunk above both the league and his own average. Even in his weak years he generated a sub .300 BABIP. His LOB% is at 75.8%, which is a bit high but understandable considering his low WHIP of 1.18.

 

I know people are complaining because of his 5.4% HR/FB, however in his case his HR/FB% is lying. Morales's FB% is 39%, just sightly above the league average, However 55% (!!) of the fly balls he generates stay in the infield. This is understandable considering the late movement his fastball has up in the zone and above it, hitters will often swing under it or pop it up. Because of his high IFFB% I believe a more appropriate stat for his line will be HR/OFFB% (Home-runs per outfield fly ball percentage). I calculated the league average HR/OFFB% to be at 13.15%, based on the stats I found on fangraphs. Morales HR/OFFB% stands at an average 13.13%. Again, stating Morales thus far wasn't lucky, he's really that good and even better.

 

In addition, his K/9 doesn't appear to be dropping. his O-contact% and especially his Z-Contact% are below average. And hitters are swinging at his pitches 48.8% of the time (League average is 46%), which isn't vastly beyond average but it does indicate his strikeouts are no flukes, and I predict they will stay high when starting as long as he goes the amount of innings that allow him to throw at the low to mid-high 90s.

 

Why, yes. I am a sabermetrics whore.

 

This be some hardcore analysis yo!

[jung]

Folks talking about the late hour of tonights game reminds me of how difficult this game will be for the Sox to win. Fly coast to coast and then start a game at what your body thinks is 10:00PM....good luck.

 

Wish it could be some other way for all of the teams that have to endure this.