Dan Duquette...and his reign here as GM

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A look back.......1994-2001

 

December 7, 1993

Signed Otis Nixon as a free agent.

Purchased Matt Stairs and Pete Young from the Montreal Expos.

 

June 2, 1994

Drafted Nomar Garciaparra in the 1st round (12th pick) of the 1994 amateur draft. Player signed July 20, 1994.

 

December 9, 1994

Traded Otis Nixon and Luis Ortiz to the Texas Rangers. Received Jose Canseco.

Traded Jeff McNeely and Nate Minchey to the St. Louis Cardinals. Received Luis Alicea.

 

April 8, 1995

Signed Mike Macfarlane as a free agent

 

April 9, 1995

Signed Stan Belinda as a free agent.

Signed Reggie Jefferson as a free agent.

 

April 11, 1995

Signed Erik Hanson as a free agent.

 

April 14, 1995

Selected Troy O'Leary off waivers from the Milwaukee Brewers.

 

April 26, 1995

Signed Tim Wakefield as a free agent.

 

June 6, 1995

Signed Willie McGee as a free agent.

 

July 6, 1995

Traded a player to be named later and Frankie Rodriguez to the Minnesota Twins. Received Rick Aguilera.

 

December 6, 1995

Signed Jose Canseco as a free agent.

 

December 14, 1995

Signed Rich Garces as a free agent.

Signed Mike Stanley as a free agent.

 

December 21, 1995

Signed Tom Gordon as a free agent.

 

January 2, 1996

Signed Jamie Moyer as a free agent.

 

June 4, 1996

Drafted Shea Hillenbrand in the 10th round of the 1996 amateur draft. Player signed June 6, 1996.

 

July 30, 1996

Traded Jamie Moyer to the Seattle Mariners. Received Darren Bragg.

 

December 9, 1996

Signed Bret Saberhagen as a free agent.

 

June 3, 1997

Drafted David Eckstein in the 19th round of the 1997 amateur draft. Player signed June 6, 1997.

 

July 31, 1997

Traded Heathcliff Slocumb to the Seattle Mariners. Received Derek Lowe and Jason Varitek.

 

November 18, 1997

Traded a player to be named later and Carl Pavano to the Montreal Expos. Received Pedro Martinez. The Boston Red Sox sent Tony Armas (December 18, 1997) to the Montreal Expos to complete the trade.

 

June 2, 1998

Drafted Adam Everett in the 1st round (12th pick) of the 1998 amateur draft. Player signed August 4, 1998.

Drafted Mike Maroth in the 3rd round of the 1998 amateur draft. Player signed July 5, 1998.

Drafted Mark Teixeira in the 9th round of the 1998 amateur draft, but did not sign the player.

Drafted Lenny DiNardo in the 10th round of the 1998 amateur draft, but did not sign the player.

 

July 30, 1998

Traded Jay Yennaco (minors) and Peter Munro to the Toronto Blue Jays. Received Mike Stanley.

 

November 5, 1998

Signed Darren Lewis as a free agent.

 

December 14, 1999

Traded Greg Miller (minors) and Adam Everett to the Houston Astros. Received Carl Everett.

 

December 18, 1998

Signed Brian Daubach as a free agent.

 

June 5, 2000

Drafted Phil Dumatrait in the 1st round (22nd pick) of the 2000 amateur draft. Player signed

 

July 10, 2000.

Drafted Manny Delcarmen in the 2nd round of the 2000 amateur draft. Player signed

 

August 22, 2000.

Drafted Freddy Sanchez in the 11th round of the 2000 amateur draft. Player signed June 14, 2000.

Drafted Kason Gabbard in the 29th round of the 2000 amateur draft. Player signed May 27, 2001.

 

July 2, 2000

Signed Hanley Ramirez as an amateur free agent.

 

December 7, 2000

Signed Frank Castillo as a free agent.

 

December 15, 2000

Signed Hideo Nomo as a free agent.

 

December 19, 2000

Signed Manny Ramirez as a free agent.

 

June 5, 2001

Drafted Kelly Shoppach in the 2nd round of the 2001 amateur draft. Player signed August 17, 2001.

Drafted Kevin Youkilis in the 8th round of the 2001 amateur draft. Player signed June 11, 2001.

 

July 31, 2001

Traded Tomo Ohka and Rich Rundles to the Montreal Expos. Received Ugueth Urbina.

 

December 19, 2001

Signed John Burkett as a free agent.

Traded Scott Hatteberg to the Colorado Rockies. Received Pokey Reese.

 

June 4, 2002

Drafted Jon Lester in the 2nd round of the 2002 amateur draft. Player signed August 13,

2002.

 

July 30, 2002

Traded Seung Song (minors) and Sun-Woo Kim to the Montreal Expos. Received Cliff Floyd.

 

December 12, 2002

Traded players to be named later to the Cincinnati Reds. Received Todd Walker. The Boston Red Sox sent Josh Thigpen (minors) (December 16, 2002) and Tony Blanco (December 16, 2002) to the Cincinnati Reds to complete the trade.

 

So who really built the 2004 Redsox?

 

The Red Sox went 656-574 in the 8 seasons under Duquette, setting attendance records every year after 1998 winning the AL East once and finishing 2nd behind the Yankees 5 other seasons........

 

He did all of this prior to new management. He did all of that with a limited payroll.

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[jacksonianmarch]

He built a foundation. Theo built the rest of the house

[Bellhorn04]

A look back.......1994-2001

So who really built the 2004 Redsox?

 

The Red Sox went 656-574 in the 8 seasons under Duquette, setting attendance records every year after 1998 winning the AL East once and finishing 2nd behind the Yankees 5 other seasons........

 

He did all of this prior to new management. He did all of that with a limited payroll.

 

I have to challenge this statement. When the Red Sox acquired Manny after the 2000 season for 8 years and $160 million, that was the point at which they jumped into the payroll stratosphere, just behind the Yankees. And needless to say Manny was a big part of that foundation for 2004.

 

So it's a little revisionist to say that Duquette was working with a limited payroll compared to Epstein.

[a700hitter]

A look back.......1994-2001

 

December 7, 1993

Signed Otis Nixon as a free agent.

Purchased Matt Stairs and Pete Young from the Montreal Expos.

 

June 2, 1994

Drafted Nomar Garciaparra in the 1st round (12th pick) of the 1994 amateur draft. Player signed July 20, 1994.

 

December 9, 1994

Traded Otis Nixon and Luis Ortiz to the Texas Rangers. Received Jose Canseco.

Traded Jeff McNeely and Nate Minchey to the St. Louis Cardinals. Received Luis Alicea.

 

April 8, 1995

Signed Mike Macfarlane as a free agent

 

April 9, 1995

Signed Stan Belinda as a free agent.

Signed Reggie Jefferson as a free agent.

 

April 11, 1995

Signed Erik Hanson as a free agent.

 

April 14, 1995

Selected Troy O'Leary off waivers from the Milwaukee Brewers.

 

April 26, 1995

Signed Tim Wakefield as a free agent.

 

June 6, 1995

Signed Willie McGee as a free agent.

 

July 6, 1995

Traded a player to be named later and Frankie Rodriguez to the Minnesota Twins. Received Rick Aguilera.

 

December 6, 1995

Signed Jose Canseco as a free agent.

 

December 14, 1995

Signed Rich Garces as a free agent.

Signed Mike Stanley as a free agent.

 

December 21, 1995

Signed Tom Gordon as a free agent.

 

January 2, 1996

Signed Jamie Moyer as a free agent.

 

June 4, 1996

Drafted Shea Hillenbrand in the 10th round of the 1996 amateur draft. Player signed June 6, 1996.

 

July 30, 1996

Traded Jamie Moyer to the Seattle Mariners. Received Darren Bragg.

 

December 9, 1996

Signed Bret Saberhagen as a free agent.

 

June 3, 1997

Drafted David Eckstein in the 19th round of the 1997 amateur draft. Player signed June 6, 1997.

 

July 31, 1997

Traded Heathcliff Slocumb to the Seattle Mariners. Received Derek Lowe and Jason Varitek.

 

November 18, 1997

Traded a player to be named later and Carl Pavano to the Montreal Expos. Received Pedro Martinez. The Boston Red Sox sent Tony Armas (December 18, 1997) to the Montreal Expos to complete the trade.

 

June 2, 1998

Drafted Adam Everett in the 1st round (12th pick) of the 1998 amateur draft. Player signed August 4, 1998.

Drafted Mike Maroth in the 3rd round of the 1998 amateur draft. Player signed July 5, 1998.

Drafted Mark Teixeira in the 9th round of the 1998 amateur draft, but did not sign the player.

Drafted Lenny DiNardo in the 10th round of the 1998 amateur draft, but did not sign the player.

 

July 30, 1998

Traded Jay Yennaco (minors) and Peter Munro to the Toronto Blue Jays. Received Mike Stanley.

 

November 5, 1998

Signed Darren Lewis as a free agent.

 

December 14, 1999

Traded Greg Miller (minors) and Adam Everett to the Houston Astros. Received Carl Everett.

 

December 18, 1998

Signed Brian Daubach as a free agent.

 

June 5, 2000

Drafted Phil Dumatrait in the 1st round (22nd pick) of the 2000 amateur draft. Player signed

 

July 10, 2000.

Drafted Manny Delcarmen in the 2nd round of the 2000 amateur draft. Player signed

 

August 22, 2000.

Drafted Freddy Sanchez in the 11th round of the 2000 amateur draft. Player signed June 14, 2000.

Drafted Kason Gabbard in the 29th round of the 2000 amateur draft. Player signed May 27, 2001.

 

July 2, 2000

Signed Hanley Ramirez as an amateur free agent.

 

December 7, 2000

Signed Frank Castillo as a free agent.

 

December 15, 2000

Signed Hideo Nomo as a free agent.

 

December 19, 2000

Signed Manny Ramirez as a free agent.

 

June 5, 2001

Drafted Kelly Shoppach in the 2nd round of the 2001 amateur draft. Player signed August 17, 2001.

Drafted Kevin Youkilis in the 8th round of the 2001 amateur draft. Player signed June 11, 2001.

 

July 31, 2001

Traded Tomo Ohka and Rich Rundles to the Montreal Expos. Received Ugueth Urbina.

 

December 19, 2001

Signed John Burkett as a free agent.

Traded Scott Hatteberg to the Colorado Rockies. Received Pokey Reese.

 

June 4, 2002

Drafted Jon Lester in the 2nd round of the 2002 amateur draft. Player signed August 13,

2002.

 

July 30, 2002

Traded Seung Song (minors) and Sun-Woo Kim to the Montreal Expos. Received Cliff Floyd.

 

December 12, 2002

Traded players to be named later to the Cincinnati Reds. Received Todd Walker. The Boston Red Sox sent Josh Thigpen (minors) (December 16, 2002) and Tony Blanco (December 16, 2002) to the Cincinnati Reds to complete the trade.

 

So who really built the 2004 Redsox?

 

The Red Sox went 656-574 in the 8 seasons under Duquette, setting attendance records every year after 1998 winning the AL East once and finishing 2nd behind the Yankees 5 other seasons........

 

He did Iall of this prior to new management. He did all of that with a limited payroll.

I think you missed Johnny Damon. I believe that he was a free agent signing of Dan Duquette. He was another huge part of the foundation.

 

We really shouldn't give him credit for building just the foundation. He really handed Theo a finished product. The 2003 team should have won the championship. Only a bumbling manager hired by new ownership stood in their way. Theo added Ortiz to the 2003 team, and he fell in his lap thanks to Pedro, who clued him in that Ortiz had been released.

 

Theo will get his chance to build the Cubs from the ground up. Let's see if hew can do it, and if so, how long it takes.

[jacksonianmarch]

Where's the Trot Nixon draft?

[mvp 78]

According to your post, Dan provided 6 players for the 04 roster. Theo did the rest.

 

So the answer is Theo?

 

Not sure what Reggie Jefferson, Jose Canseco, Mike Stanley, etc did for the 04 Sox.

[Cocos Disciples]

Nitpick, but re: Pokey Reese, when the Sox traded for him in 2001 he was with the team for 2 days, and then they didn't offer him a contract. Then Theo signed him in 2003.

[Bellhorn04]

I think you missed Johnny Damon. I believe that he was a free agent signing of Dan Duquette. He was another huge part of the foundation.

 

We really shouldn't give him credit for building just the foundation. He really handed Theo a finished product. The 2003 team should have won the championship. Only a bumbling manager hired by new ownership stood in their way. Theo added Ortiz to the 2003 team, and he fell in his lap thanks to Pedro, who clued him in that Ortiz had been released.

 

If the 2002 team was a finished product, why did it miss the playoffs for the 3rd year in a row.

 

Theo certainly added more than Ortiz to the 2003 team...does the name Bill Mueller ring a bell?

[a700hitter]

According to your post, Dan provided 6 players for the 04 roster. Theo did the rest.

 

So the answer is Theo?

 

Not sure what Reggie Jefferson, Jose Canseco, Mike Stanley, etc did for the 04 Sox.

They should have won in 2003.

[a700hitter]

If the 2002 team was a finished product, why did it miss the playoffs for the 3rd year in a row.

 

Theo certainly added more than Ortiz to the 2003 team...does the name Bill Mueller ring a bell?

They had 93 wins in 2002. They only needed some fine tuning for 2003.

[Bellhorn04]

They had 93 wins in 2002. They only needed some fine tuning for 2003.

 

But that's like saying we had 90 wins last year and only needed some fine tuning for 2012.

[SoxSport]

I have to challenge this statement. When the Red Sox acquired Manny after the 2000 season for 8 years and $160 million, that was the point at which they jumped into the payroll stratosphere, just behind the Yankees. And needless to say Manny was a big part of that foundation for 2004.

 

So it's a little revisionist to say that Duquette was working with a limited payroll compared to Epstein.

 

 

I thought I posted in this thread but don't see the post. Maybe it was the thread on Epstein.

 

Harrington, who was running the team when Duquette was GM, was a penny pincher who kept Fenway dirty. Literally. He didn't open up his pocketbook until he was ready to sell the team. That's when he surprised everybody by signing Ramirez to a big contract. Prior to that, Duquette had little resources to work with--a pittance compared to Epstein.

 

Duquette was a introverted guy who didn't get along well with the media. He did not give Gammons and the Globe the story on Manny's signing, and that did not bode well with Gammons. You want good media, you have to stroke these guys. It takes more than free booze and sandwiches in the press room.

[Bellhorn04]

I thought I posted in this thread but don't see the post. Maybe it was the thread on Epstein.

 

Harrington, who was running the team when Duquette was GM, was a penny pincher who kept Fenway dirty. Literally. He didn't open up his pocketbook until he was ready to sell the team. That's when he surprised everybody by signing Ramirez to a big contract. Prior to that, Duquette had little resources to work with--a pittance compared to Epstein.

 

The payroll numbers are all relative. From 1999 to 2002, the last half of Duquette's tenure, the Sox were in the top 5 in payroll. In 2000, for example, the Sox were $81 million and the Yankees were #1 at $93 million. It was not until after Theo became GM that the Yankees put a much bigger gap between their payoll and everybody else's.

[SoxSport]

The payroll numbers are all relative. From 1999 to 2002' date=' the last half of Duquette's tenure, the Sox were in the top 5 in payroll. In 2000, for example, the Sox were $81 million and the Yankees were #1 at $93 million. It was not until after Theo became GM that the Yankees put a much bigger gap between their payoll and everybody else's.[/quote']

 

I recall the payroll increased significantly once Harrington decided to sell. It was more than just a year--maybe several years. They were trying to build up the value of the team.

[Bellhorn04]

I recall the payroll increased significantly once Harrington decided to sell. It was more than just a year--maybe several years. They were trying to build up the value of the team.

 

Sure. And Duquette benefitted from the situation...until the sale went through and he got axed.

[a700hitter]

But that's like saying we had 90 wins last year and only needed some fine tuning for 2012.

That was my position for this past off season. I thought they needed to get a reliable starting pitcher and a RF platoon tandem. They didn't get the starter and let the best closer they ever had walk. I don't think it would have taken a lot. So, yes I agree with your comment.

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

What a f***ing stupid thread. So eight guys from the Duquette era were on the 2004 Red Sox, therefore Dan Duquette built that team and is responsible for that championship? Get the f*** out of here.

[FredLynn]

What a f***ing stupid thread. So eight guys from the Duquette era were on the 2004 Red Sox' date=' therefore Dan Duquette built that team and is responsible for that championship? Get the f*** out of here.[/quote']

 

Not just 8 players. Some of those guys were critical to winning a ring in 2004. Both Epstein and Duquette deserve some credit for bringing the franchise out of the dark ages.

Besides, compared to some of the threads that have been started here, this one is pretty mellow.

[redsoxbeatz]

Why does this matter?

[a700hitter]

Not just 8 players. Some of those guys were critical to winning a ring in 2004. Both Epstein and Duquette deserve some credit for bringing the franchise out of the dark ages.

Besides, compared to some of the threads that have been started here, this one is pretty mellow.

Epstein is getting his chance to prove himself in Chicago. He has to build that team from the ground up. If he is able to do so, he will not have to share credit with anyone.

 

In Boston, the nucleus built by Duquette gave him a great head start and Larry L had Wonder Boy on a tight leash until 2007. When LL let Wonder Boy run, he ran wild and ran the team into the ground. Maybe he learned something from the experience.

[SoxSport]

Epstein is getting his chance to prove himself in Chicago. He has to build that team from the ground up. If he is able to do so, he will not have to share credit with anyone.

 

In Boston, the nucleus built by Duquette gave him a great head start and Larry L had Wonder Boy on a tight leash until 2007. When LL let Wonder Boy run, he ran wild and ran the team into the ground. Maybe he learned something from the experience.

 

 

Yeah, and now Werner is taking issue with Theo's claim he was pushed by ownership to up the money ante. Not so, says Werner. But they did give him a free reign the past few years, and that proved to be disastrous. Clearly, they weren't going to renew his contract, so he flew to Chicago. I'll bet that Chicago owner has him on a money leash. He hasn't spent a dime there so far.

[FredLynn]

Yeah' date=' and now Werner is taking issue with Theo's claim he was pushed by ownership to up the money ante. Not so, says Werner. But they did give him a free reign the past few years, and that proved to be disastrous. Clearly, they weren't going to renew his contract, so he flew to Chicago. I'll bet that Chicago owner has him on a money leash. He hasn't spent a dime there so far.[/quote']

 

Can't say as I blame them. Look at who he spent the money on here during his last five years. If I am the boss of a new employee with that kind of history you bet I am going to take an active role in his affairs until he proves that he can do the job.

[SCM33]

What a f***ing stupid thread. So eight guys from the Duquette era were on the 2004 Red Sox' date=' therefore Dan Duquette built that team and is responsible for that championship? Get the f*** out of here.[/quote']

 

He added most of the important parts. I also forgot about Nixon and Damon.

 

Troll. f*** yourself.

 

Stop responding to my posts.

[FredLynn]

He added most of the important parts. I also forgot about Nixon and Damon.

 

Troll. f*** yourself.

 

Stop responding to my posts.

 

All you needed was the first line of your post.

I am no big fan of Ellsbury, but he is no troll.

You got a real anger problem.

[SCM33]

All you needed was the first line of your post.

I am no big fan of Ellsbury, but he is no troll.

You got a real anger problem.

 

No, hes a troll.

 

If he didn't agree with it, he could have approached it better. The sole purpose of the way he responded was to piss me off. It added nothing.....

 

It was done to troll.

[FredLynn]

No, hes a troll.

 

If he didn't agree with it, he could have approached it better. The sole purpose of the way he responded was to piss me off. It added nothing.....

 

It was done to troll.

 

You have a lot to offer here. I learned something about fundamental baseball a couple of nights ago from you, and you have a lot of insightful things to post about the team. Not just gratuitous compliments, just my honest opinion. I think that personal stuff aside, you are one of the most astute posters here.

That said, I would offer this constructive suggestion, for what its worth: you might be better off not telling people to "shut up" or "f*** off". Do with that what you will.

Time to move on.

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

He added most of the important parts. I also forgot about Nixon and Damon.

 

Eight players on the roster were holdovers from the Duquette era. Eight. There's twenty-five (25) players on a big league roster. What kind of deadshit would seriously try to argue that some ex-GM was responsible for that championship team when less than a third of the roster consisted of 'his' guys?

 

Among the 17 players Theo contributed to the roster were David Ortiz, Curt Schilling, Keith Foulke, and Dave Roberts. The man who eventually set the single-season Red Sox HR record (we all know what he did in 2004), the excellent number two starter we could not have won without, the closer we could not have won without, and the only base stealer on the roster outside of Damon. Important enough for you? Yeah, all that Theo Epstein ever did was smile for the cameras and take credit for Dan Duquette's hard work. The pig.

 

And you try so hard.

 

Troll. f*** yourself.

 

Stop responding to my posts.

 

Stop being a biased, reactionary drama queen and try to put at least a little bit of thought and common sense into your posts, and I'll consider it. If you don't like me calling your s*** out, go back to retirement. For good this time.

[FredLynn]

Eight players on the roster were holdovers from the Duquette era. Eight. There's twenty-five (25) players on a big league roster. What kind of deadshit would seriously try to argue that some ex-GM was responsible for that championship team when less than a third of the roster consisted of 'his' guys?

 

Among the 17 players Theo contributed to the roster were David Ortiz, Curt Schilling, Keith Foulke, and Dave Roberts. The man who eventually set the single-season Red Sox HR record (we all know what he did in 2004), the excellent number two starter we could not have won without, the closer we could not have won without, and the only base stealer on the roster outside of Damon. Important enough for you? Yeah, all that Theo Epstein ever did was smile for the cameras and take credit for Dan Duquette's hard work. The pig.

 

And you try so hard.

 

 

 

Stop being a biased, reactionary drama queen and try to put at least a little but of thought and common sense into your posts, and I'll consider it.

 

The 2004 ring had to be shared from a GM standpoint by both Duquette and Epstein. Both of those guys signed key pieces that got us a ring. Do you think we would have a ring without Manny the Mouth? Or Damon? Or Pedro? Or Lowe? Or Varitek?

Duquette built the foundation; Epstein finished the job. IMO thinking either GM was solely or even mostly responsible for building that team is short sighted.

[SCM33]

Stop being a biased' date=' reactionary drama queen and try to put at least a little bit of thought and common sense into your posts, and I'll consider it. If you don't like me calling your s*** out, go back to retirement. For good this time.[/quote']

 

Im not biased. I like what Duke did here. I like what Theo did here.

 

How was I reactionary when I created the thread?

 

You dont call s*** out, you troll......then I hammer back and you disappear. You are the definition of a troll.

 

....and maybe I wont go anywhere this time. It was hard to walk away from some of the guys here. Some of them I can honestly call friends. Just leaving after 7 years is tough.