2012 Catch-All Trade Deadline Thread

[jung]

I will take the money diff as well. CC is just never going to work here and still likely has TJ to look forward to.

[jung]

As far as Beckett is concerned unless it is to some team that Beckett thinks really favors him, he will force a Texas team down the Sox throat.

[User Name]

Not "A". "The" Texas team. There's no way he wants to go to the Astros.

[Laser Show]

If the Angels, Braves, or someone else snags Greinke, there's a good chance Beckett gets his wish.

[User Name]

Greinke's not an option for Texas anyway IMO. He'd wilt under that huge spotlight.

[jung]

Really have to wonder what Ryan would think of Beckett. Last start against Texas probably did not hurt chances of moving him there. Texas is looking for a way to win it all.

[User Name]

Third time's the charm?

[Spitball]

Greinke's not an option for Texas anyway IMO. He'd wilt under that huge spotlight.

 

Why do you say "that huge spotlight"? Texas is a huge state, and the Dallas-Fort Worth area appears to be huge because in encompasses all the neighborhoods that sprawl on forever. Despite the national coverage the Cowboys receive, it is not the huge spotlight of New York, Boston, Chicago, or Los Angeles.

 

I believe Texas is a very legitimate landing spot for Greinke.

[User Name]

Why do you say "that huge spotlight"? Texas is a huge state, and the Dallas-Fort Worth area appears to be huge because in encompasses all the neighborhoods that sprawl on forever. Despite the national coverage the Cowboys receive, it is not the huge spotlight of New York, Boston, Chicago, or Los Angeles.

 

I believe Texas is a very legitimate landing spot for Greinke.

 

It's a team that's gone to the WS twice in a row and failed. They are considered the best team in MLB and their viewership and national coverage have increased dramatically. I think he'd wilt under the spotlight. That's my opinion, and one i think Texas would seriously consider before making a move for the guy. If someone knows about the importance of mental stability for pitchers (or ballplayers in general), that's Nolan Ryan.

[Spitball]

It's a team that's gone to the WS twice in a row and failed. They are considered the best team in MLB and their viewership and national coverage have increased dramatically. I think he'd wilt under the spotlight. That's my opinion' date=' and one i think Texas would seriously consider before making a move for the guy. If someone knows about the importance of mental stability for pitchers (or ballplayers in general), that's Nolan Ryan.[/quote']

 

I can see your point, but it will be difficult to find a small market/low pressure contender to take his services. The other teams besides Texas most commonly mentioned are Los Angeles, Chicago, and Atlanta. They are all really big markets, but I really think the spotlights of Boston and New York are the most difficult for players to deal with.

 

Btw, many have pointed out that Texas has been a great place for Josh Hamilton to play under his circumstances.

[jung]

Cafardo saying that BC says the asking price for Grienke or Johnson is three top prospects. I find that hard to believe especially for Grienke but the Sox would not be in a position to do that.

 

Maybe two and a lower level guy but three????

[a700hitter]

Cafardo saying that BC says the asking price for Grienke or Johnson is three top prospects. I find that hard to believe especially for Grienke but the Sox would not be in a position to do that.

 

Maybe two and a lower level guy but three????

And the FO excuses begin. Cue the planted stories about the unreasonable prices demanded by other clubs and our steadfast refusal to mortgage the future. Same story. Different season.

[Palodios]

And the FO excuses begin. Cue the planted stories about the unreasonable prices demanded by other clubs and our steadfast refusal to mortgage the future. Same story. Different season.

 

That's what the asking price ALWAYS is for elite players under control. 2-3 elite prospects. We gave up three for A-gon, three for Vmart. Three for Jimeniz, three for Granderson....

 

There is absolutely no reason to make that trade. Its one thing for them to make excuses for the beginning of the seasons, but right now, no one should blame them for not adding a pitcher when it'll end up being a worthless move anyway.

[Palodios]

Greinke-> Angels.

[User Name]

That's what the asking price ALWAYS is for elite players under control. 2-3 elite prospects. We gave up three for A-gon, three for Vmart. Three for Jimeniz, three for Granderson....

 

There is absolutely no reason to make that trade. Its one thing for them to make excuses for the beginning of the seasons, but right now, no one should blame them for not adding a pitcher when it'll end up being a worthless move anyway.

 

Excellent point. No need for conspiracy theories when there are established precedents for this type of player acquisitions.

[a700hitter]

That's what the asking price ALWAYS is for elite players under control. 2-3 elite prospects. We gave up three for A-gon, three for Vmart. Three for Jimeniz, three for Granderson....

 

There is absolutely no reason to make that trade. Its one thing for them to make excuses for the beginning of the seasons, but right now, no one should blame them for not adding a pitcher when it'll end up being a worthless move anyway.

Greinke is not under control. He's a 2 month rental. As far as I can see, the Angels gave up 1 top 100 prospect Segura at #46.

 

The reason I laugh at the Red Sox pattern of excuses is that it is just so ridiculous. I don't dispute what these acquisitions cost. What I laugh at is the whole disingenuous public relations BS. They make all these statements for weeks about looking to add pitching and being aggressive, but as you get closer to the deadline, they whine about the cost being too high. I don't for a minute believe that they didn't know 2-3 weeks ago our FO didn't know what these guys would cost with very close approximation. If they didn't, then they are a bigger bunch of dopes than even I had imagined. The feigned surprise at the cost is amusing to me. Who the hell are they kidding? The aggressively pursue talk etc. is just to keep the fans interested for a few more weeks, and then they whine that they tried their best, but the cost was just too high. Now, don't get me wrong again as you so often do. I am not saying that the cost is or isn't too high. I am just saying that they pretty much knew the cost for all these guys 2-3 weeks ago. The posturing about being buyers is just that--posturing.

[Palodios]

Greinke is not under control. He's a 2 month rental. As far as I can see, the Angels gave up 1 top 100 prospect Segura at #46.

 

The reason I laugh at the Red Sox pattern of excuses is that it is just so ridiculous. I don't dispute what these acquisitions cost. What I laugh at is the whole disingenuous public relations BS. They make all these statements for weeks about looking to add pitching and being aggressive, but as you get closer to the deadline, they whine about the cost being too high. I don't for a minute believe that they didn't know 2-3 weeks ago our FO didn't know what these guys would cost with very close approximation. If they didn't, then they are a bigger bunch of dopes than even I had imagined. The feigned surprise at the cost is amusing to me. Who the hell are they kidding? The aggressively pursue talk etc. is just to keep the fans interested for a few more weeks, and then they whine that they tried their best, but the cost was just too high. Now, don't get me wrong again as you so often do. I am not saying that the cost is or isn't too high. I am just saying that they pretty much knew the cost for all these guys 2-3 weeks ago. The posturing about being buyers is just that--posturing.

 

 

The last two weeks, they've been talking about getting a player who will be under control for longer than this season. They have not been into major discussions about Greinke/Hamels, but rather guys like Josh Johnson, and Garza. Those guys will cost 2-3 top prospects.

[Spitball]

Whoa! The Brewers did pretty well for trading off a two month rental. I have seen all three of these of the players they acquired here in Arkansas and would say that all three are pretty impressive.

[a700hitter]

The last two weeks' date=' they've been talking about getting a player who will be under control for longer than this season. They have not been into major discussions about Greinke/Hamels, but rather guys like Josh Johnson, and Garza. Those guys will cost 2-3 top prospects.[/quote']And they had t know that 2 weeks ago when they talked about being aggressive. They are either very stupid, because even posters her know the going rate for such players, or the were being disingenuous. Even though I have very little respect for their intellect, I will give them the benefit of the doubt that they knew the approximate cost weeks ago and were just being disingenuous.

[Palodios]

And they had t know that 2 weeks ago when they talked about being aggressive. They are either very stupid' date=' because even posters her know the going rate for such players, or the were being disingenuous. Even though I have very little respect for their intellect, I will give them the benefit of the doubt that they knew the approximate cost weeks ago and were just being disingenuous.[/quote']

 

Two weeks ago, they believed that the return of Buc, Ells and Crawford were going to make a different, so it made sense to be aggressive. Now, it really doesn't make sense.

[a700hitter]

Two weeks ago' date=' they believed that the return of Buc, Ells and Crawford were going to make a different, so it made sense to be aggressive. Now, it really doesn't make sense.[/quote']So, they are being disingenuous, because that's not what they are saying. They are still saying that they will be buyers, but they blaming the cost for not making deals instead of the truth that it won't make a difference. They are either liars or just stupid. They are not being honest that they don't like their chances with or without an acquisition.

[example1]

So' date=' they are being disingenuous, because that's not what they are saying. They are still saying that they will be buyers, but they blaming the cost for not making deals instead of the truth that it won't make a difference. They are either liars or just stupid. They are not being honest that they don't like their chances with or without an acquisition.[/quote']

 

I don't know about this. If they were a few games closer they might have been more aggressive, but even then they wouldn't have pursued Greinke. Most likely, they were planning on being aggressive for multi-year deals, not single year guys.

 

In any case, it doesn't matter. The pitching fit the Sox are seeking really doesn't exist right now. Garza might be the closest, but his cost will probably be too high.

 

What I can agree with you on here is that when the Sox say they are going to be 'aggressive' they virtually never mean they will throw caution to the wind and get the best guy available impulsively the way other teams do.

[Palodios]

So' date=' they are being disingenuous, because that's not what they are saying. They are still saying that they will be buyers, but they blaming the cost for not making deals instead of the truth that it won't make a difference. They are either liars or just stupid. They are not being honest that they don't like their chances with or without an acquisition.[/quote']

 

Over the last three days, the trade market has exploded towards the sellers. Top prospects being flung around for rentals, despite the value of rentals dropping significantly. If they say they're going to be agressive, and they simply get way overbid by hungrier teams who seriously overpaid. That doesn't make them liars, that simply makes the teams that overpaid stupid.

 

But, if the Red Sox don't sell high in a seller's market, then they're the stupid ones. If they pick up 2-3 elite prospects, and then add a top 5-10 draft pick in 2012, they could very well end up with the best farm system in the majors.

[a700hitter]

I don't know about this. If they were a few games closer they might have been more aggressive, but even then they wouldn't have pursued Greinke. Most likely, they were planning on being aggressive for multi-year deals, not single year guys.

 

In any case, it doesn't matter. The pitching fit the Sox are seeking really doesn't exist right now. Garza might be the closest, but his cost will probably be too high.

 

What I can agree with you on here is that when the Sox say they are going to be 'aggressive' they virtually never mean they will throw caution to the wind and get the best guy available impulsively the way other teams do.

They knew what these guys cost. If they changed their mind since they said they would be aggressive, they should be honest that they changed their minds because the do not believe chances for this 2012 team are not good and would not justify the cost. They are not saying that. They are still telling us that they think they have a competitive team, and they are just blaming the cost. The cost was known weeks ago. They are just truth challenged. They will not admit publicly what they already know-- that the team has no chance. If they stopped the charade, they could get started with rebuilding by shipping guys out.

[a700hitter]

Over the last three days, the trade market has exploded towards the sellers. Top prospects being flung around for rentals, despite the value of rentals dropping significantly. If they say they're going to be agressive, and they simply get way overbid by hungrier teams who seriously overpaid. That doesn't make them liars, that simply makes the teams that overpaid stupid.

 

But, if the Red Sox don't sell high in a seller's market, then they're the stupid ones. If they pick up 2-3 elite prospects, and then add a top 5-10 draft pick in 2012, they could very well end up with the best farm system in the majors.

They are stupid if they don't have a handle on the market. I am not willing to think they are that stupid. Every single year it is the same song and dance. At the end, they act shocked at the cost of acquiring players at the trade deadline. They get caught by surprise every year? I'm not drinking their f***ing kool aid.

[SemperFi Sox]

I hope we can trade for Lillibridge.

[a700hitter]

I hope we can trade for Lillibridge.

His cost is skyrocketing!

[jung]

The fact that they are unwilling to entertain offers for Ross speaks volumes and is ridiculous. The season is over. Those two starts back to back by Lester and Beckett broke their backs and their spirit. They are done. They should sell on Ross as he is a FA at the end of the season.

[SoxSport]

Henry either needs to clean house or sell the team. Too many front office mistakes have been made, and the team is now paying for them.

[redsoxbeatz]

Red Sox stand still at the deadline. Nothing to be done anyway.

 

Our trade should be to send away all our inconsistency for some good baseball.