2012 Catch-All Trade Deadline Thread

[SemperFi Sox]

Looks like we might be back to being sellers at the deadline. lml

 

It's what we need to do if this will ever be a "team" again.

[Spitball]

Looks like we might be back to being sellers at the deadline. lml

 

I think the Sox may be sellers so they can be buyers. Youkilis brought Zack Stewart who has been traded for Scott Rolen one year and Edwin Jackson the next. Stewart could be a trade chip. I can see the Sox trading Cody Ross for a parcel of prospects or getting into a three-way deal to trade for starting pitching.

 

I doubt very much the Sox will become complete sellers when they are within striking distance of the wild card.

[Spitball]

The market on Dempster appears to have dried up. Teams are losing interest because Theo apparently is expecting to exploit his early success. Teams are not buying into the greed.

[SCM33]

Looks like we might be back to being sellers at the deadline. lml

 

They have always been sellers IMO. I just wonder if the FO will ever realize it.

[jung]

It might be more an issue of what they are willing to admit to more than what they realize or don't realize.

[italstallianion]

They have to admit it to themselves AND the unfriendly Red Sox fanbase. Tough crowd.

[Spitball]

The Red Sox are 2.5 games out of the Wild Card spot. Players are coming off the DL. Why would they be sellers?

[a700hitter]

The Red Sox are 2.5 games out of the Wild Card spot. Players are coming off the DL. Why would they be sellers?

If they want to make a run at this thing, they need to be buyers. I have a feeling that they will stand pat, and that would be the worst thing. Without adding to this team, I don't see them getting a WC spot, and they will have passed on an opportunity to start rebuilding for next year if they don't sell.

[ellsburyforMVP]

The Red Sox are 2.5 games out of the Wild Card spot. Players are coming off the DL. Why would they be sellers?

 

Because last week they were 2 gms out of the WC and everyone's outlooks were bright.......

 

We've lost a few gms in a row.... It's inevitable that the "doomsday" believers are ready to pack it in..... If we win 4 out of the next 5 , they'll be back thinking we should go all in for Felix :dunno:

[a700hitter]

Because last week they were 2 gms out of the WC and everyone's outlooks were bright.......

 

We've lost a few gms in a row.... It's inevitable that the "doomsday" believers are ready to pack it in..... If we win 4 out of the next 5 , they'll be back thinking we should go all in for Felix :dunno:

The next 6 games are on the road against the Ranger and the Yankees. Winning 4 out of the next 5 will be a tall order. I'd be happy with a 3-3 record in the next 6 games, but the bad news is that another 6 games will come off the schedule.

[SoxFanForsyth]

If they want to make a run at this thing' date=' they need to be buyers. I have a feeling that they will stand pat, and that would be the worst thing. Without adding to this team, I don't see them getting a WC spot, and they will have passed on an opportunity to start rebuilding for next year if they don't sell.[/quote']

 

They will not stand pat, I can almost guarantee you that. They're going to make a bold move this deadline.

 

Now, whether bold is trading for Hamels, or if bold is trading Crawford for Reyes and Heath Bell, or something of the like, who knows. But I think they'll raise some eyebrows this deadline, and they need to. They need to shake up this team, that's for certain.

[Palodios]

If they want to make a run at this thing' date=' they need to be buyers. I have a feeling that they will stand pat, and that would be the worst thing. Without adding to this team, I don't see them getting a WC spot, and they will have passed on an opportunity to start rebuilding for next year if they don't sell.[/quote']

 

I think buying would be a bigger mistake than staying pat, unless they get someone for the long term. There are 8 teams fighting for those 2 wildcard spots, and I seriously doubt the Red Sox make up ground against all of them, especially considering they have one of the toughest schedules in baseball for the rest of the year.

[a700hitter]

I think buying would be a bigger mistake than staying pat' date=' unless they get someone for the long term. There are 8 teams fighting for those 2 wildcard spots, and I seriously doubt the Red Sox make up ground against all of them, especially considering they have one of the toughest schedules in baseball for the rest of the year.[/quote']I think a top pitcher would give them a very good shot at the WC spot, but I don't see it happening.

[ellsburyforMVP]

I think a top pitcher would give them a very good shot at the WC spot' date=' but I don't see it happening.[/quote']

 

All we need to do is make the WC.... Everyone seems to be concerned about the new playoff schedule and how it will affect the starting rotation..... We kind of have an "ace in the hole" so to speak, we're all pretty certain the sox are gonna make a move for a SP.... I'm not going to speculate what our rotation might look like, but we have morales on "innings limit"

 

If we need a spot starter either to get into the WC or for the WC gm itself, we would then have a rested morales to step in and give us about as good a chance as anyone else in the rotation

[SoxFanForsyth]

I think a top pitcher would give them a very good shot at the WC spot' date=' but I don't see it happening.[/quote']

 

Exactly. This team does not need to get blown up. They just need a true ace. They have pitchers 1) underperforming, and 2) throwing in slots they shouldn't be throwing in.

 

If this team goes out and trades for a guy like Cliff Lee, all of a sudden Lester is slotted as a #2, Buchholz stays as an elite #3 (he's a #2 in all reality), Beckett is your #4 and he's a very good #4, and Lackey can eat innings in the #5 slot (in future years).

 

You go get an ace that you have for the next 4-5 years, and this team will be an elite team for a long time. Not to mention that you will have a guy in Cliff Lee who will mentor guys like Matt Barnes (unless he's traded), Felix Doubront (again, unless he's in the Lee deal), Morales, and Jon Lester. You'll have guys like Tazawa, Alex Wilson, Bard, Aceves, Miller, Bailey, and Atchison in the bullpen.

 

I'm telling you. Don't blow it up. Don't be sellers. Go get an ace, it's the only thing this team is missing.

[a700hitter]

Exactly. This team does not need to get blown up. They just need a true ace. They have pitchers 1) underperforming, and 2) throwing in slots they shouldn't be throwing in.

 

If this team goes out and trades for a guy like Cliff Lee, all of a sudden Lester is slotted as a #2, Buchholz stays as an elite #3 (he's a #2 in all reality), Beckett is your #4 and he's a very good #4, and Lackey can eat innings in the #5 slot (in future years).

 

You go get an ace that you have for the next 4-5 years, and this team will be an elite team for a long time. Not to mention that you will have a guy in Cliff Lee who will mentor guys like Matt Barnes (unless he's traded), Felix Doubront (again, unless he's in the Lee deal), Morales, and Jon Lester. You'll have guys like Tazawa, Alex Wilson, Bard, Aceves, Miller, Bailey, and Atchison in the bullpen.

 

I'm telling you. Don't blow it up. Don't be sellers. Go get an ace, it's the only thing this team is missing.

And put Lester in the Bullpen.

[SoxSport]

And put Lester in the Bullpen.

 

What they'll do is what they did to Bard. Send him down to Pawtucket and kill his confidence some more.

I have some real ideological problems with that front office.

[Palodios]

Not to mention that you will have a guy in Cliff Lee who will mentor guys like Matt Barnes (unless he's traded), Felix Doubront (again, unless he's in the Lee deal), Morales, and Jon Lester. You'll have guys like Tazawa, Alex Wilson, Bard, Aceves, Miller, Bailey, and Atchison in the bullpen.

 

I'm telling you. Don't blow it up. Don't be sellers. Go get an ace, it's the only thing this team is missing.

 

Cliff Lee is not coming to Boston. The Red Sox don't have that kind of money lying around, and if they did, they'd go for someone who isn't 34 years old. Like Greink/Marcum/Hamels/Sanchez.

[SoxFanForsyth]

Marcum and Sanchez would not be $25mm players. Not even close.

[FenwayWest]

Send Lester to Pawtucket. This is business, he needs to get his act together, and we can't let him have games like today. We'd be better off using AAA guys the rest of the year!

[a700hitter]

Send Lester to Pawtucket. This is business' date=' he needs to get his act together, and we can't let him have games like today. We'd be better off using AAA guys the rest of the year![/quote']The DFA'd that guy Germano after 4 scoreless innings against the Yankees. This team's management has no plan. They fly by the seat of their pants and hope that things will turn around. Things have turned around. We are about to fall below .500 and we are in last place again. Disgraceful.

[redsoxbeatz]

:(

[jung]

I actually think the only way this truly starts to get better is that the Sox entire approach to how they build a team has got to change and the only way to do that is to get rid of LL. LL appears to be joined at the hip to JH. Hence you have to get rid of JH to get rid of LL.

 

I think JH needs to sell this team and let a new group come in with a different approach. Hopefully if that happens this bunch won't trade off the prospects that are down on the farm as I do think one major element of change will be less reliance on big name FA signings and more reliance on the farm system.

 

To the extent that a complete change of ownership is the ultimate "blow it up" I believe that is what has to happen here.

[watsonrom]

Send Lester to Pawtucket. This is business' date=' he needs to get his act together, and we can't let him have games like today. We'd be better off using AAA guys the rest of the year![/quote']

 

i don't think he has any options left? wouldn't that be something if they did though? 2/5's of our rotation would be in pawtucket. sad.

[italstallianion]

Get a restraining order for LL.

[redsoxbeatz]

Is Matt Barnes ready yet? Haha. He has a #3 capability doesn't he, one day at least?

[SemperFi Sox]

Is Matt Barnes ready yet? Haha. He has a #3 capability doesn't he' date=' one day at least?[/quote']

 

Projected as a very good #2

[SoxFanForsyth]

The Sox need to figure out what the hell they're going to do.

 

They need to either buy big and go for a guy like Hamels, Josh Johnson, or blow away the Mariners for Felix.

 

Or.

 

They need to sell pieces like Lester, Beckett, and potentially even Ellsbury. The Rangers just lost Colby Lewis, and a piece like Lester, even as bad as he's been, could be sold for a big, big profit. Beckett, if we ate $3-4mm a year, could return a bit, but would free up some space for a big offseason FA pitcher.

 

I'm fine with either. But whatever we do, don't stand pat.

 

And by the way - Josh Johnson is having a better year than it looks, 3.13 FIP. He's fresh off TJS, and typically it's year 2 that you really return to form and have a big year.

[mvp 78]

Lester is having a good year too. You should see his FIP!

[SoxFanForsyth]

Lester is having a good year too. You should see his FIP!

 

It's fun to mock stats that you are too lazy to look up and understand.