2012 Catch-All Trade Deadline Thread

[SoxSport]

I think that Kalish should be optioned back to AAA. He needs the reps' date=' and he is not likely to get them with the ML club. So I would rather see Sweeney kept for now. Lillibridge and Punto are in the same category: both suck and do not belong on our roster.[/quote']

 

Kalish should get major reps playing RF--splitting with Ross. Ross is ideal platooning with any of those lefties against LHP. Kalish should be the no. 3 or 4 outfielder--he's had enough AAA time. Lillibridge just complicates life for the Sox. They cleared up 3B, but worsened the bottleneck in the OF. Sweeney is just a liteweight hitter. The guy is big, but he has no pop for an outfielder and has no speed. You have to have pop or speed as an outfielder. take your pick. Ross has pop. Kalish has speed and potential pop.

 

I like the idea of trading Ells for an ace pitcher, because they have other OF options now and the chances, in my view, are less than 50/50 they can re-sign him. They can't really afford two $20 mil outfielders--and Boras will be looking for close to that.

[Bellhorn04]

I like the idea of trading Ells for an ace pitcher' date=' because they have other OF options now and the chances, in my view, are less than 50/50 they can re-sign him. They can't really afford two $20 mil outfielders--and Boras will be looking for close to that.[/quote']

 

I agree with trading Ellsbury but I don't think the return is going to be as big as we'd like. He's had one great season, he also missed all of 2010 and half of 2012. And he's got Boras lurking behind him preparing brochures.

[Station 13]

And Tazawa has already contributed at a ML level. There is just no room for him right now.

 

Yeah there is, he is better than Melancon and Mortersen. Send one of those two down.

[Bellhorn04]

Yeah there is' date=' he is better than Melancon and Mortersen. Send one of those two down.[/quote']

 

Melancon's been good since coming back up. 1.17 ERA, .505 OPS.

[Station 13]

Melancon's been good since coming back up. 1.17 ERA' date=' .505 OPS.[/quote']

 

Stats are deceiving. Watch the games, he's been teed off, even if the ball don't dropped, they're line at somebody.

[a700hitter]

Melancon's been good since coming back up. 1.17 ERA' date=' .505 OPS.[/quote']He's been a useful arm at times, but he is not what we thought when we got him. He is not a late inning go to guy. Atchison is miles better.

[FredLynn]

I agree with trading Ellsbury but I don't think the return is going to be as big as we'd like. He's had one great season' date=' he also missed all of 2010 and half of 2012. And he's got Boras lurking behind him preparing brochures.[/quote']

 

We could package Ellsbury with Lester to get a real ace. Lester has not shown us that he is more than a serviceable #3-4 SP for a while now.

[FredLynn]

Stats are deceiving. Watch the games' date=' he's been teed off, even if the ball don't dropped, they're line at somebody.[/quote']

 

Yes, but whats his Babip?

[Bellhorn04]

We could package Ellsbury with Lester to get a real ace. Lester has not shown us that he is more than a serviceable #3-4 SP for a while now.

 

Who's going to take Lester and give us an ace right now though? It has to make sense for the other team. If Seattle ever did agree to trade Felix to us they would make sure we were bleeding profusely - like Ellsbury + a package of our best prospects.

[Station 13]

Yes' date=' but whats his Babip? [/quote']

 

BABIP on linedrives around baseball is a hit 70% of the time, thus the BABIP for LD is .700

 

 

 

BABIP for a HR is 0

 

Should Melancon stick with the 0 BABIP?

[a700hitter]

Astros, Blue Jays Complete Ten-Player Trade

By Ben Nicholson-Smith [July 20, 2012 at 9:48am CST]

 

The Astros and Blue Jays have completed a ten-player trade, the teams announced. The Astros obtain seven players from Toronto: right-hander Francisco Cordero, outfielder Ben Francisco, minor leaguers Joe Musgrove, Asher Wojciechowski, David Rollins and Carlos Perez, and a player to be named. The Astros send left-hander J.A. Happ (pictured) and right-handed relievers Brandon Lyon and David Carpenter to Toronto in the trade.

[a700hitter]

Rockies, Royals Swap Guthrie, Sanchez

By Ben Nicholson-Smith [July 20 at 10:05am CST]

 

The Rockies and Royals have agreed to a trade that will send left-hander Jonathan Sanchez to Colorado for right-hander Jeremy Guthrie, Jon Paul Morosi of FOX Sports reports (on Twitter). Both players have struggled in 2012 and are on track to hit free agency after the season.

[kapsis21]

Jonathan Sanchez what a bust of a trade.. Melky is having the best year in SF.

[redsoxbeatz]

10 player trade!! hah wow.

 

Doesn't matter, Red Sox gun' f*** UP 'dem jays!

 

& yea... Melky is having a beast of a year. Great pickup by SF, love that NL team.

[a700hitter]

Jonathan Sanchez what a bust of a trade.. Melky is having the best year in SF.

If the Red Sox had made that trade instead of KC, people of this forum would find a way to defend it the way they defend Reddick for Bailey.

[kapsis21]

If the Red Sox had made that trade instead of KC' date=' people of this forum would find a way to defend it the way they defend Reddick for Bailey.[/quote']

 

there is a difference, Bailey is injured. you cant compare the Sanchez trade to Bailey/Sweeney.

i know we lost Reddick and he is looking pretty decent with the As. give Bailey a shot when he gets back. then judge the trade.

[a700hitter]

there is a difference, Bailey is injured. you cant compare the Sanchez trade to Bailey/Sweeney.

i know we lost Reddick and he is looking pretty decent with the As. give Bailey a shot when he gets back. then judge the trade.

It strikes me as odd that people say that closers have little worth for contractual reasons, but then they are willing to applaud a trade an everyday player who has become an All Star caliber player for a closer. I find that to be a bit contradictory. I am not directing this comment at you at all. It is just a general comment. Why is it better to pay with talent than cash for a closer?

[redsoxbeatz]

Early front runners for Garza per ESPN.

 

[kapsis21]

It strikes me as odd that people say that closers have little worth for contractual reasons' date=' but then they are willing to applaud a trade an everyday player who has become an All Star caliber player for a closer. I find that to be a bit contradictory. I am not directing this comment at you at all. It is just a general comment. Why is it better to pay with talent than cash for a closer?[/quote']

 

that is a completely different discussion. Redsox were not willing to pay what Papelbon was going to demand for.

i do agree that as of now the Reddick deal is completely lopsided. but we all need to give it some time.

was it a mistake to trade him.. i dont know. we thought we were getting a healthy Bailey.

 

if Cherrington hadnt done any deals he would have been blamed for not getting BP arms.

 

its like damned if you do damned if you dont.

 

you need to give him time to understand his role and if he is not fit someone in the FO will show him the door. problem is FO means LL and i hate that guy.!!!

[kapsis21]

Early front runners for Garza per ESPN.

 

 

what are we going to give up.. Doubbie???

[Spitball]

Early front runners for Garza per ESPN.

 

 

I am afraid the Sox will have to overpay for Garza. There are too many teams in on him because he is under control through next season. Also, the top rentals, Greinke and Hamels, are just that, rentals, and could sign extensions with their current teams which would remove them from the market. Dempster looks to be going to the Dodgers. Garza will be the top priority for teams like Texas and Detroit.

 

I would rather they explore the market for someone under the radar like Edinson Volquez of San Diego who is also under control through 2013. He walks a lot of batters but has the potential to return to a top of the rotation starter he was before TJ surgery. I'm not saying he would be my first choice, but in a season of question, he might be a wise choice.

[italstallianion]

If the Red Sox had made that trade instead of KC' date=' people of this forum would find a way to defend it the way they defend Reddick for Bailey.[/quote']

 

If someone could have predicted Reddick hitting 20 HR's by early July, then I'd ask them for the upcoming lotto numbers. I think the trade looked good on paper from our point and still could be good, but sometimes crazy things happen like Bailey not throwing a single pitch thus for or Reddick playing out of his mind.

 

One can say the same thing about Melancon pitching so poorly and Jed Lowrie hitting 14 HR's by the end of June and being healthy nearly the entire time as well. (He's on the DL now though)

 

It'd be like preventing Lebron from driving to the lane and having him hit 3's to beat you. Sometimes it just wasn't meant to be and wasn't to be predicted.

[italstallianion]

I am afraid the Sox will have to overpay for Garza. There are too many teams in on him because he is under control through next season. Also, the top rentals, Greinke and Hamels, are just that, rentals, and could sign extensions with their current teams which would remove them from the market. Dempster looks to be going to the Dodgers. Garza will be the top priority for teams like Texas and Detroit.

 

I would rather they explore the market for someone under the radar like Edinson Volquez of San Diego who is also under control through 2013. He walks a lot of batters but has the potential to return to a top of the rotation starter he was before TJ surgery. I'm not saying he would be my first choice, but in a season of question, he might be a wise choice.

 

 

Plus Theo knows are system so it's not like we can do a Texas switch and sell high on some overrated prospect. We'd have to overpay and overpay dearly for an overrated pitcher as it is.

 

If we do get Garza we might lead the league in spits/inning.

[SouthieFanatic]

Is anyone hearing anymore on Hanley for Crawford? I can't decide if I'd want that to happen or not

[BornToRun]

Trust me. You don't want it to happen.

[SouthieFanatic]

The more I think about it I suppose the answer would be no. We're stacked at SS in the minors( Iglesias, Bogaerts) and Hanley wouldn't stay at 3rd if he came cause of WMB

[SemperFi Sox]

Trade Beckett for some pine tar

[SoxSport]

I'm beginning to think they have to trade Beckett and Lester. These guys have a problem. I don't think it's physical, so it has to be mental. They are underachieving, and maybe it's time to move both of them.

The players seems to have gotten an upper hand in recent years, and maybe they don't like change.

[SemperFi Sox]

Lester will be an ace if dealt, it will be just our luck. Everyone leaves us and does better.

[SoxSport]

Is anyone hearing anymore on Hanley for Crawford? I can't decide if I'd want that to happen or not

 

Hopefully, the leaks have stopped, so they can discuss things in private again. It's a good sign if you don't hear anything.