Updates on ex-Sox players etc.

[Bellhorn04]

Reddick and Lowrie are now playing for small-market teams with very little pressure on them. That could be helping. You can't say the Red Sox didn't give Lowrie his opportunities. The guy couldn't stay healthy for us.

[a700hitter]

Brandon Moss is back in the big leagues. He's also with Oakland. He has 5 HRs and 9 RBI in 26 ABs.

[Spitball]

Speaking of Oakland, Manny asked for and received his release.

[jung]

Maybe somebody has been watching Manny more closely but I am guessing this is an effort on Manny's part to try to hook on with somebody that might have more of a use for him. I did see a short piece of film with some audio that was saying that Manny has just not had any pop in his bat and has turned into a singles hitter.

[a700hitter]

Brandon Moss is back in the big leagues. He's also with Oakland. He has 5 HRs and 9 RBI in 26 ABs.

Moss hit another yesterday with 2 RBI. He now has 6 HRs and 11 RBI.

[a700hitter]

Scutaro is hitting .272 with a .327 OBP and .719 OPS.

Aviles is hitting .263 with a .282 OBP and .698 OPS

[SoxFanForsyth]

Scutaro is hitting .272 with a .327 OBP and .719 OPS.

Aviles is hitting .263 with a .282 OBP and .698 OPS

 

You should check out Fangraphs - They have added a Live Data page so you don't have to wait until the day after the games for the stats to update.

 

Aviles (after tonights game) is at .266/.285/.421, .706 OPS.

Scutaro (after tonights game) is at .274/.326/.387, .713 OPS

 

So the question is this.

 

Aviles makes $1.2mm

Scutaro makes $6mm

 

Is the extra .007 points in OPS worth 4.8mm?

 

Who knows how it'll turn it. If you ask me, it's a shame that Iglesias has been hurt because the way Aviles has been playing, give me Iggy's glove and a .630 OPS over Aviles's glove and a .705 OPS.

[a700hitter]

You should check out Fangraphs - They have added a Live Data page so you don't have to wait until the day after the games for the stats to update.

 

Aviles (after tonights game) is at .266/.285/.421, .706 OPS.

Scutaro (after tonights game) is at .274/.326/.387, .713 OPS

 

So the question is this.

 

Aviles makes $1.2mm

Scutaro makes $6mm

 

Is the extra .007 points in OPS worth 4.8mm?

 

Who knows how it'll turn it. If you ask me, it's a shame that Iglesias has been hurt because the way Aviles has been playing, give me Iggy's glove and a .630 OPS over Aviles's glove and a .705 OPS.

The real shame is that they don't have both of them and that Punto isn't elsewhere. The Sox were not forced to make a choice between Scutaro and Aviles. Getting rid of Scutaro was meant to dump salary to get pitching. They didn't use the money for pitching. The extra $4.5 million would have been worth keeping Scutaro over Punto.

[SCM33]

The real shame is that they don't have both of them and that Punto isn't elsewhere. The Sox were not forced to make a choice between Scutaro and Aviles. Getting rid of Scutaro was meant to dump salary to get pitching. They didn't use the money for pitching. The extra $4.5 million would have been worth keeping Scutaro over Punto.

 

While its pretty infuriating that they dumped their SS to cut payroll (then lied to us about adding pitching), Scutaro doesnt put them in a much better position than they are in right now.

 

Either way they are still potentially a last place team.

[a700hitter]

While its pretty infuriating that they dumped their SS to cut payroll (then lied to us about adding pitching), Scutaro doesnt put them in a much better position than they are in right now.

 

Either way they are still potentially a last place team.

There have been a number of key situations this season where the team has had to rely on Punto. I think Scutaro could have made the difference in some of those situations.

[Bellhorn04]

Cliff Lee is having a very weird season. The Phillies' 24 million-a-year co-ace is putting up typical numbers in most departments: 11 starts, 77.2 innings, 3.48 ERA, 1.12 WHIP, 77 K, 14 BB.

 

The weird part, of course, is the W-L record: 0-3.

[SoxSport]

Scutaro is hitting .272 with a .327 OBP and .719 OPS.

Aviles is hitting .263 with a .282 OBP and .698 OPS

 

 

I figured from the start it was very much a wash between the two. It was a good move dealing Scutaro, who is now a 2nd baseman. Aviles isn't a bad player, but he doesn't give you the defense at SS the pitching could use.

[SoxSport]

Cliff Lee is having a very weird season. The Phillies' 24 million-a-year co-ace is putting up typical numbers in most departments: 11 starts, 77.2 innings, 3.48 ERA, 1.12 WHIP, 77 K, 14 BB.

 

The weird part, of course, is the W-L record: 0-3.

 

Look for a big rebound the 2nd half. He was on the DL once and hasn't pitched badly. He threw a 10 inning shutout in SF recently and lost. W-L means almost nothing for a starter these days--it's largely dictated by the BP.

[jung]

Maybe the silver lining on Punto will be how easy it will be to dump Punto to bring Iggy up. Hell of a silver lining huh!

[a700hitter]

I figured from the start it was very much a wash between the two. It was a good move dealing Scutaro' date=' who is now a 2nd baseman. Aviles isn't a bad player, but he doesn't give you the defense at SS the pitching could use.[/quote']It would have been a good move if the Sox had redeployed the money to obtain a quality pitcher, but instead, it was either pocketed by the owners or allocated to the Soccer team. I'd rather have Scutero than Punto without question. Scutero's offensive numbers are increasing. He's on the upswing. Aviles is going in the other direction. The choice was not between Aviles and Scutero, so it is not a wash. We had them both, and neither made such a large salary as to be unaffordable. Odd man out should have been Punto. Punto -Scutero is not a wash. From the owners perspective, it may have been a good deal, because they saved money, but from a fan's perspective, it did nothing for us.

[Bellhorn04]

They may still use the 'Scutaro money' to get a pitcher before the deadline. I'm sure Lucchino knows that if they don't he's going to have to explain why at some point.

[FredLynn]

They may still use the 'Scutaro money' to get a pitcher before the deadline. I'm sure Lucchino knows that if they don't he's going to have to explain why at some point.

 

The explanation will be phrased in some sort of adminspeak. Excuses about being selective in how the team uses its limited resources and how the asking price would not provide "value" to the team.

That sort of thing. We have all seen it before.

[SoxSport]

It would have been a good move if the Sox had redeployed the money to obtain a quality pitcher' date=' but instead, it was either pocketed by the owners or allocated to the Soccer team. I'd rather have Scutero than Punto without question. Scutero's offensive numbers are increasing. He's on the upswing. Aviles is going in the other direction. The choice was not between Aviles and Scutero, so it is not a wash. We had them both, and neither made such a large salary as to be unaffordable. Odd man out should have been Punto. Punto -Scutero is not a wash. From the owners perspective, it may have been a good deal, because they saved money, but from a fan's perspective, it did nothing for us.[/quote']

 

I think they viewed $6mil as a signicant chunk for Marco, expecially since Aviles was much cheaper. They probably used that money to help pay Ortiz.

[a700hitter]

I think they viewed $6mil as a signicant chunk for Marco' date=' expecially since Aviles was much cheaper. They probably used that money to help pay Ortiz.[/quote']Again, I don't give a hoot how the $6 million benefited ownership. It wasn't going to make the owners rich, but if they needed some extra pocket money, good for them. The move did not benefit the roster, because it meant keeping Punto.

[SCM33]

They may still use the 'Scutaro money' to get a pitcher before the deadline. I'm sure Lucchino knows that if they don't he's going to have to explain why at some point.

 

I wouldn't be surprised if they are sellers at the deadline. They are still below .500 and they are about 20 games away from the deadline. If other teams continue to pull away and they are still hovering at .500, there is no point in adding a mediocre pitcher just for the sake of doing it.

 

Also, he doesn't have to explain anything. He will just come up with excuses.

[a700hitter]

Brandon Moss 7 HRs 12 RBI in 43ABs

[Spitball]

Drew Sutton was just DFA.

[Dublin Red]

Josh Reddick ended an 0-19 run last night

[Dojji]

Josh Reddick ended an 0-19 run last night

 

Still hitting .265/.338/.515 with 16 HR and 34 RBI.

[SemperFi Sox]

Reddick is coming back to Earth, still a good trade.

[a700hitter]

Reddick is coming back to Earth' date=' still a good trade.[/quote']Reddick has 17 HRs with a couple of weeks to go before we hit the All Star Break.

[ellsburyforMVP]

Reddick is coming back to Earth' date=' still a good trade.[/quote']

 

Compared to baileys 0 IP this yr and the obvious problems we've had in the OF ( yes I realize our OF to this point has been far down on the list of problems ) ... Good trade? As of right now? Hell no

[BornToRun]

Compared to baileys 0 IP this yr and the obvious problems we've had in the OF ( yes I realize our OF to this point has been far down on the list of problems ) ... Good trade? As of right now? Hell no

 

Kind of hard to judge when we haven't been able to see what bailey has to offer yet. Reddick wasn't a necessity, bailey was something we needed.

[a700hitter]

Kind of hard to judge when we haven't been able to see what bailey has to offer yet. Reddick wasn't a necessity' date=' bailey was something we needed.[/quote']Bailey is reported to be having arm problems in his recovery.

[jung]

of course Bailey is having arm trouble. Seems like a number of Sox this year end up with an injury on top of an injury. Guy goes out with a thumb, ends up with a bum elbow.