Updates on ex-Sox players etc.

[Station 13]

How's Masterson and Hagadone doing for the tribes?

[Spitball]

Isn't Alex and his experience here something of a mystery anyway? the guy played very good defense and was not a complete goose egg at the plate. Sorta' makes you wonder what they will take in a guy that can play defense at SS if the record he amassed here was not good enough. OK so he struck out 29 times and only walked 5 times. His OBP and OPS were not good but when you consider his defense, holy cats!!

 

Alex is my poster child for why I don't think Iggy will ever see any real time in a Red Sox uniform. Take 60-70 points off os Alex's BA and keep his OBP and OPS about the same and you probably have Iggy. If Alex was not good enough when is Iggy ever going to be good enough.

 

If Iggy is Alex Gonzalez, I hope the Sox do pass on the guy. I love defensively gifted players, but I feel Gonzalez's defense didn't make up for his totally clueless approach at the plate. He is a .629 career OPSer whose numbers are boasted by a couple of good offensive years.

 

There is a reason a (decent but not truly elite) defensive shortstop has bounced around to seven teams for the last seven years.

[jung]

If Iggy is Alex Gonzalez, I hope the Sox do pass on the guy. I love defensively gifted players, but I feel Gonzalez's defense didn't make up for his totally clueless approach at the plate. He is a .629 career OPSer whose numbers are boasted by a couple of good offensive years.

 

There is a reason a (decent but not truly elite) defensive shortstop has bounced around to seven teams for the last seven years.

 

I think we might have said the same thing two different ways. I think his BB/SO ratio was a direct result of his cluelessness at the plate. His BB/SO was outrageously bad. It would be hard for anybody to match that but Iggy may never be a much better hitter if you look at OBP and OPS. To be fair to Iggy he might better that OBP and OPS because it was terrible, but probably not by much at the rate he is going and I don't think Iggy can get his BA up to something like .280's. That would be a hell of an increase.

[Bellhorn04]

Pujols now below the Mendoza line at .194 with 5 RBI through 27 games, 1/6 of the season.

[NC Red Sox Fan]

I cannot believe Sox didn't make Papalbon an offer

[redsoxfan3]

I cannot believe Sox didn't make Papalbon an offer

 

Don't start with the Papelbon crap. Get over Papelbon. It is as simple as the Red Sox not wanting to overpay a closer.

[Spitball]

I cannot believe Sox didn't make Papalbon an offer

 

Papelbon gave up a game losing three-run pinch homer to the Mets' Jordany Valdepin. Who???

[Bellhorn04]

About time for a little NYY Schadenfreude, isn't it?

 

Mark Teixeira .228/.283/.386 OPS .669

Russell Martin .167/.322/.292 OPS .614

 

OPS 2007-2012

 

A-Rod

 

1.067

.965

.933

.847

.823

.795

 

Teixeira

 

.963

.962

.948

.846

.835

.669

 

:thumbsup:

[MANNYHOF24]

Derek Lowe since he left the Red Sox:

 

100-88, 1425.2 Innings, 631 runs, ERA= 3.98

 

Average 203 innings per season.

 

I would have loved to have in in the rotation for the last 8 years.

[Bellhorn04]

Derek Lowe since he left the Red Sox:

 

100-88, 1425.2 Innings, 631 runs, ERA= 3.98

 

Average 203 innings per season.

 

I would have loved to have in in the rotation for the last 8 years.

 

Yeah, I wasn't happy to see him leave after 2004. Especially with how well he pitched in the postseason.

[NativeBostonian]

This thread is making me depressed. Let's face it, our FO sucks.

[NativeBostonian]

How's Masterson and Hagadone doing for the tribes?

 

Masterson:

 

(2012) 1-3 ERA 5.40

(2011) 12-10 ERA 3.21

(2010) 6-13 ERA 4.70

(2009) 1-7 ERA 4.55

[a700hitter]

Don't start with the Papelbon crap. Get over Papelbon. It is as simple as the Red Sox not wanting to pay FMV for an All Star closer.

^ Fixed

[Bellhorn04]

This thread is making me depressed. Let's face it' date=' our FO sucks.[/quote']

 

It's not all bad.

 

Scutaro .254/.316/.331

35 games

156 PA's

4 RBI

 

How is it even possible to only have 4 RBI in that many games and PA's...

[NativeBostonian]

It's not all bad.

 

Scutaro .254/.316/.331

35 games

156 PA's

4 RBI

 

How is it even possible to only have 4 RBI in that many games and PA's...

I know it isn't all bad. There are players that we are lucky we let go. But, your front office is judged by what they do as a whole and if you combined everything, there are a lot more bad moves then there are good.

[Laser Show]

It's not all bad.

 

Scutaro .254/.316/.331

35 games

156 PA's

4 RBI

 

How is it even possible to only have 4 RBI in that many games and PA's...

 

That reminds me of Luis Castillo in 2000 with the Marlins. He batted leadoff all year and finished with this nice line:

 

.334/.418/.388/.806 in 626 PA, to go with 62 SB and 101 R

 

Not too shabby right? That's where it gets strange.

 

He finished the year with 17 2B, 3 3B, 2 HR, and 17 RBI

[a700hitter]

Kevin Millwood with a 2 hit shutout of Colorado tonight.

[kapsis21]

Michael bowden is doing the same thing he left doing here. Gave up a grand slam few games back...and bunch more the next day

[Station 13]

Michael bowden is doing the same thing he left doing here. Gave up a grand slam few games back...and bunch more the next day

 

He must got whiplash from turning his back so often.

[kapsis21]

He must got whiplash from turning his back so often.

 

[TutGadol]

That reminds me of Luis Castillo in 2000 with the Marlins. He batted leadoff all year and finished with this nice line:

 

.334/.418/.388/.806 in 626 PA, to go with 62 SB and 101 R

 

Not too shabby right? That's where it gets strange.

 

He finished the year with 17 2B, 3 3B, 2 HR, and 17 RBI

 

Any idea what was his avg w/RISP?

[Emmz]

That reminds me of Luis Castillo in 2000 with the Marlins. He batted leadoff all year and finished with this nice line:

 

.334/.418/.388/.806 in 626 PA, to go with 62 SB and 101 R

 

Not too shabby right? That's where it gets strange.

 

He finished the year with 17 2B, 3 3B, 2 HR, and 17 RBI

 

Dude had absolutely no power, though. Scutaro has eh power, but Castillo had nothing. He was a good contact hitter, I think he had a hitting streak that went for almost 40 games, and of course he was incredible fast and had an excellent glove. Still, 17 RBIs, even for Castillo's lack of power, that's almost an unreal lack of production, I'm shocked anyone with 600+ PAs could get so few RBIs, especially when they're such a good hitter.

[Emmz]

Wait nvm, he totally had that hitting streak in like 2002 or 2003.

[Rdsxmbnt]

Derek Lowe since he left the Red Sox:

 

100-88, 1425.2 Innings, 631 runs, ERA= 3.98

 

Average 203 innings per season.

 

I would have loved to have in in the rotation for the last 8 years.

 

In the NATIONAL LEAGUE. Remember Brad Penny? He was a 5.61 ERA with the Sox and was released(?) and then went to the Cardinals and magically put up a 2.61 ERA.

 

Also just look at this season, there are 5 pitchers with an ERA under 2 and none in the AL. 2 of those 5 are TED LILLY and CARLOS ZAMBRANO. You absolutely can't compare the leagues, its apples to oranges.

[Laser Show]

Any idea what was his avg w/RISP?

 

111PA .211/.330/.211

 

Essentially, garbage.

[a700hitter]

Jed Lowrie is batting .278 with 7 HRs.

[Station 13]

Jed Lowrie is batting .278 with 7 HRs.

 

Melancon: 49.50 ERA 6HR allowed 0 SV/HOLD

 

Reddick .272 12HR

 

Sweeney/Bailey 0HR/0SV

 

<_>

 

Doji made a threat about Lowrie yet?

[a700hitter]

Melancon: 49.50 ERA 6HR allowed 0 SV/HOLD

 

Reddick .272 12HR

 

Sweeney/Bailey 0HR/0SV

 

<_>

 

Doji made a threat about Lowrie yet?

And many fans were thrilled when Benny made those trades, because we were starved for action. He's looking like a f***ing genius.

[jung]

Jesus H Christ do you think at least a season would be merited before passing such a final judgement on these moves. I don't might questioning them but when you see comments that suggest the definitive jury is in one way or the other 40 games in the result is really just lost credibility.

 

This is particularly true when in some cases the same people look at Salty and deem him still to be a work in progress....still on the path to ML catching at a high level when we should have seen enough of Salty by now to know what he is and where he is going. But oh no...Salty is still improving...the jury is still out there but Reddick, well in the case of Reddick, a player with as much a history of feast or famine as you are ever going see, the jury is absolutely in and he is on the way to the HOF.

 

Like I said, question the moves. That makes sense. Watch them develop. That is fun. Making definitive statements 40 games in just opinion......expressed as fact.

[a700hitter]

Jesus H Christ do you think at least a season would be merited before passing such a final judgement on these moves. I don't might questioning them but when you see comments that suggest the definitive jury is in one way or the other 40 games in the result is really just lost credibility.

 

This is particularly true when in some cases the same people look at Salty and deem him still to be a work in progress....still on the path to ML catching at a high level when we should have seen enough of Salty by now to know what he is and where he is going. But oh no...Salty is still improving...the jury is still out there but Reddick, well in the case of Reddick, a player with as much a history of feast or famine as you are ever going see, the jury is absolutely in and he is on the way to the HOF.

 

Like I said, question the moves. That makes sense. Watch them develop. That is fun. Making definitive statements 40 games in just opinion......expressed as fact.

Speaking for myself. I am not passing final judgment on these moves. I am just noting that right now they look bad. In fact, I can't think of anything that Cherries has done that looks good at this juncture.