Francona will not attend the 100th birthday at Fenway

[ibot2much]

Shaughnessy's front page column today quotes Francona in detail about his feelings of the bitter end. Apparently he blames the FO for not getting to the bottom of who gave Bob Hohler of the GLOBE his information when his column talked about Francona's use of pain pills and the chicken and beer problems

 

F. mentioned not getting JH on the line for several months ( the five months too late story).

 

He wishes JP and JL the best but those are the only two players he mentions.

 

Best quote I thought..." Until I am more comfortable with some answers on what happened at the end of the year, I don't want much to do with the organization....."

[Youk Of The Nation]

Journalists have been fired, imprisoned, tortured, and murdered for absolutely refusing to disclose anonymous sources of information about stories ranging from the unimportant to the world-changing. Does Francona really think that this guy from the Globe is going to be any different?

 

If a journalist reveals his source, everyone will know about it and no one will give that journalist information anymore.

 

As for the rest of the story, I'm sick of hearing about last season. This is this season, so let's focus on that. Francona is no longer a member of the team and none of the issues of last year (off the field) are currently issues now. (That we know of).

[kapsis21]

http://www.boston.com/sports/bseball/redsox/articles/2012/04/11/terry_francona_wants_no_part_of_fenways_celebration/

^^youknation

i think he still has the right to know how that information got out.. especially when Henry refuses to return his calls.. he was the manager who brought back the title.. have some respect for that guy.

[a700hitter]

Shaughnessy's front page column today quotes Francona in detail about his feelings of the bitter end. Apparently he blames the FO for not getting to the bottom of who gave Bob Hohler of the GLOBE his information when his column talked about Francona's use of pain pills and the chicken and beer problems

 

F. mentioned not getting JH on the line for several months ( the five months too late story).

 

He wishes JP and JL the best but those are the only two players he mentions.

 

Best quote I thought..." Until I am more comfortable with some answers on what happened at the end of the year, I don't want much to do with the organization....."

It's a shame that this ownership always ends things so poorly when people leave the organization. Francona did not deserve to have such personal medical information leaked to the press. It was a despicable accusation, and the FO should have rooted out the source of the story.

[kapsis21]

It's a shame that this ownership always ends things so poorly when people leave the organization. Francona did not deserve to have such personal medical information leaked to the press. It was a despicable accusation' date=' and the FO should have rooted out the source of the story.[/quote']

 

agree 100%

[Dojji]

Journalists have been fired' date=' imprisoned, tortured, and murdered for absolutely refusing to disclose anonymous sources of information about stories ranging from the unimportant to the world-changing. Does Francona really think that this guy from the Globe is going to be any different?[/quote']

 

When the guy who told the journalist broke the law? They could at least make a token effort.

[a700hitter]

There are other ways to root out a source than to ask the journalist. It seems that Francona thinks the Sox made no effort. Did the Sox check the phone records of their employees to see who had contact with the writer? Did they check online calendars for meeting entries? Did they do any internal investigation? If they had, but come up empty, I am sure Tito would feel better knowing that they had tried.

[Youk Of The Nation]

What law was broken? I didn't know one was.

[Youk Of The Nation]

There are other ways to root out a source than to ask the journalist. It seems that Francona thinks the Sox made no effort. Did the Sox check the phone records of their employees to see who had contact with the writer? Did they check online calendars for meeting entries? Did they do any internal investigation? If they had' date=' but come up empty, I am sure Tito would feel better knowing that they had tried.[/quote']

 

I'm no mastermind, but if I was secretly meeting with someone and was a member of a large and powerful organization, I wouldn't use my phone or leave sticky notes lying around with 'SCRT MEET W/ SHDOWY RPRTR GUY' written in block letters underneath 'Lunch with wife'

[redsoxfan3]

Always will respect Terry. I don't blame him one bit.

[a700hitter]

I'm no mastermind' date=' but if I was secretly meeting with someone and was a member of a large and powerful organization, I wouldn't use my phone or leave sticky notes lying around with 'SCRT MEET W/ SHDOWY RPRTR GUY' written in block letters underneath 'Lunch with wife'[/quote']People are often sloppy. Also, topic of this story may not have been something that the Sox FO guy thought he would be discussing that day. If he didn't think he would be discussing sensitive issues, he might not have made any effort to cover it up. I am not saying that any of their efforts would uncover the source, but Tito would have been satisfied if he was told there had been an investigation. BTW, you would be surprised at the stupid things people do to get caught. A friend of mine works at a very large bank. He came back from vacation to find that one of his best staff members had been fired. It turned out that he used the Company's network, it's phones and email to recruit and book appointments with prostitutes.

[VA Sox Fan]

It is a shame. Best manager in my lifetime and helped bring 2 WS. I don't blame him one bit for not wanting to participate. Like a700 said, it's a shame what this group does to everyone that leaves. He, of all people, deserved better than that.

[ibot2much]

Did Francona use pain meds....which may have had a bearing on the team's relationship with him?...We don't know.

 

Did Francona's marriage ( etc) problems have a bearing on the team's relationship with him.? ...We don't know.

 

Actually we do not know anything about the REASON for the collapse. However, I couldn't help but think that his defensive attitude was much like that of Beckett's

 

Did some issues in Francona's life cause the collapse? He did say that he could not get through to players that he did have relationships with before. According to Francona, his concern is that the information about the problems got out....not that the problems occured and hurt the team.

[mvp 78]

Thanks LL and Dracula. What a classy organization.

[MANNYHOF24]

Did Francona use pain meds....which may have had a bearing on the team's relationship with him?...We don't know.

 

Did Francona's marriage ( etc) problems have a bearing on the team's relationship with him.? ...We don't know.

 

Actually we do not know anything about the REASON for the collapse. However, I couldn't help but think that his defensive attitude was much like that of Beckett's

 

Did some issues in Francona's life cause the collapse? He did say that he could not get through to players that he did have relationships with before. According to Francona, his concern is that the information about the problems got out....not that the problems occured and hurt the team.

 

Except for the fact Francona said time and time again last fall that his personal problems didn't take away from his job performance. I don't know if it's true or not, but that is what he said.

[ibot2much]

Except for the fact Francona said time and time again last fall that his personal problems didn't take away from his job performance. I don't know if it's true or not' date=' but that is what he said.[/quote']

 

I don't think he is the best judge of that.

[MANNYHOF24]

I don't think he is the best judge of that.

 

So the ownership, who clearly wanted to make him look bad on his way out the door would be the best judge of that?

[Elktonnick]

What I find especially troubling and incredible is Lucchino's statement that he and Henry never talked about Henry's call to Francona. Henry must be the most socially inept guy in that whole dysfunctional FO. What happened? They used to have their act together. I guess it is true what they say about soccer, it addles the brain.

[mvp 78]

The knock on Dracula is that he has horrible people skills. It has been stated nunerous times that he simply doesn't return phone calls. The radio appearance didn't help either. IMO, it has nothing to do with soccer and everything to do with a personality flaw JH has.

[Elktonnick]

The knock on Dracula is that he has horrible people skills. It has been stated nunerous times that he simply doesn't return phone calls. The radio appearance didn't help either. IMO' date=' it has nothing to do with soccer and everything to do with a personality flaw JH has.[/quote']

 

I was making a joke

[a700hitter]

I was making a joke

Although heading soccer balls has been proven to cause brain damage.

[ibot2much]

So the ownership' date=' who clearly wanted to make him look bad on his way out the door would be the best judge of that?[/quote']

 

Nowhere did I say that. But you apparently have information that even TF doesn;t have....thast the FO is to blame. You should call TF and let him know.

[a700hitter]

Nowhere did I say that. But you apparently have information that even TF doesn;t have....thast the FO is to blame. You should call TF and let him know.

The leak came from the Red Sox organization. They are the only ones that had knowledge of the situation. The article clearly stated that people in the organization were questioning whether the painkillers were affecting his abilities. Unless Terry dropped a dime on himself, someone working for the Red Sox was the source of the story.

[SCM33]

"Larry called me yesterday," Francona told the Globe on Tuesday. "I was in a phone store in Arizona. I had three people standing around me. I was at a little bit of a disadvantage. He got a little perturbed at me, telling me I was being unfair to them.

 

"I called him back last night and left him a message. He called me back and we ended up getting into an argument. I just feel like someone in the organization went out of their way to hurt me and the more we talked I realized we're just not on the same wavelength. They're probably better off going forth and leaving me out of it."

 

http://espn.go.com/boston/mlb/story/_/id/7800391/terry-francona-ex-boston-red-sox-manager-attend-fenway-park-centennial

 

Are there bigger self-centered, pompous, *******s than Redsox management?

 

If I was Terry, Id tell him to f*** himself. "Unfair".....really Larry? After that smear campaign?

 

Hey Larry, baseball fields dont have birthday's......and not eveyone gets off on it like you and Henry. I dont give a s*** that our field is old.....Id rather have a good baseball team.

[pedroias laser]

Wow what a wonderful FO we have i mean can Larry get anymore Egotistical and self-centered!. The

man that brought us 2 WS titles doesn't even want to step foot inside the park what's that telling you

LARRY YOU DICK!.

[kapsis21]

http://espn.go.com/boston/mlb/story/_/id/7800391/terry-francona-ex-boston-red-sox-manager-attend-fenway-park-centennial

 

Are there bigger self-centered, pompous, *******s than Redsox management?

 

If I was Terry, Id tell him to f*** himself. "Unfair".....really Larry? After that smear campaign?

 

Hey Larry, baseball fields dont have birthday's......and not eveyone gets off on it like you and Henry. I dont give a s*** that our field is old.....Id rather have a good baseball team.

 

can i hire someone to fire Larry's ass ... freekkking joke

[ibot2much]

The leak came from the Red Sox organization. They are the only ones that had knowledge of the situation. The article clearly stated that people in the organization were questioning whether the painkillers were affecting his abilities. Unless Terry dropped a dime on himself' date=' someone working for the Red Sox was the source of the story.[/quote']

 

Were the painkillers and marriage problems affecting his ability to do the job? Something caused the players to turn on him. I don't think TF would be the best judge of whether he was part of the problem.

Of course it was an organization member or two who gave out the information.....who else would it be? They witnessed the interactions in the locker room

 

The fact that TF was more concerned with having the FO launch an investigation rather than consider than indeed his personal problems caused the collapse of the team is interesting to me.

 

He is STILL concerned with "how did it get out" rather than "what happened".

 

The players, with the exception of JP, had nothing to say about TF's demise.....nothing. The lack of support for TF was amazing.

[a700hitter]

Were the painkillers and marriage problems affecting his ability to do the job? Something caused the players to turn on him. I don't think TF would be the best judge of whether he was part of the problem.

Of course it was an organization member or two who gave out the information.....who else would it be? They witnessed the interactions in the locker room

 

The fact that TF was more concerned with having the FO launch an investigation rather than consider than indeed his personal problems caused the collapse of the team is interesting to me.

 

He is STILL concerned with "how did it get out" rather than "what happened".

 

The players, with the exception of JP, had nothing to say about TF's demise.....nothing. The lack of support for TF was amazing.

Leaking that type of personal and medical information is despicable and legally actionable. It doesn't matter whether it was a cause of the collapse, because he already paid the price by getting fired. It's not like the situation needs to be addressed. It has been addressed, he got fired. The leak was meant to smear him in a very underhanded way. It was despicable, and John Henry is a huge jackass if he can't understand what Francona is upset about.

[User Name]

Hate is such a strong negative feeling....

 

That being said, i have never hated someone so intensely as Larry Lucchino....

[kapsis21]

Hate is such a strong negative feeling....

 

That being said, i have never hated someone so intensely as Larry Lucchino....

atleast we agree on something eh