Andy Pettitte Returns to the Yankees

[User Name]

If they ban chew from the game cause they found out it heeightened your senses' date=' should everyone who chewed it be labeled a cheater? Pettitte took it to heal faster, not to pitch better and it wasn't illegal at the time.[/quote']

 

This is a really really really stupid comparison, just so you know.

 

HGH was a known anabolic agent that was banned by several sports at the time and was, in fact, illegal to distribute in the US. Rationalize it all you want: Petitte cheated.

[BigPapiEnFuego]

This thread is further proof that being a Yankee fan should be considered a mental illness.

 

 

How delusional can you people get

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

^This.

[jacksonianmarch]

I never said he didnt cheat. I just disputed the fact that he was on synthetic anabolic steroids, that he "failed" a drug test (they were in screening trials then, no pass or fail) and that he was dodging a suspension. Semantics my friends. Of course he cheated

[pinstripezac]

Steroids are steroids. They provide an unfair advantage and they also increase athletic performance. Don't try to defend the undefendable.

 

 

 

 

 

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[pinstripezac]

That's a farse and you know it. If he was caught' date=' it would have been announced like Manny's was. And you think he couldnt pass a drug test after 2010 although he passed all of them prior to retiring? That's just a bitter sox fan there, nothing more, nothing less.[/quote']

 

That's just a bitter sox fan there, nothing more, nothing less

 

U R 2 kind my friend

 

I don't think we can change what they focus on

 

how bout we go have some milkshakes

[pinstripezac]

I think Pettitte didnt want to be playing while preparing for Clemens' trial. Now that the DA f***ed up Clemens' case and jeopardy was attached' date=' he doesnt have to worry about it[/quote']

 

 

FWIW

 

 

 

 

Clemens Trial Conspiracy Theory debunked

 

By Andrew Marchand

 

When Andy Pettitte retired last year, there were some thought he did so because he didn't want to be in uniform because of the looming Roger Clemens/Steroid Perjury trial.

 

That theory has been debunked because Clemens' new trial will be on April 17th. It figures that Pettitte will need at least four to six weeks to get ready. It could be that Pettitte could go from the jury box to the pitcher's mound.

[Divinity]

HGH is an anabolic agent that increases muscle mass and protein synthesis in the body. You couldn't be more wrong with this statement.

 

Congressional scientific panel member Dr. Thomas Perls of Boston University has stated HGH may add a little muscle mass, but most of that is probably due to water. The studies thus far show there’s very little in the way of improvement in strength.

 

Did Pettitte suddenly go from throwing a 90 mph fastball to a 100 mph fastball? Nope

[User Name]

Congressional scientific panel member Dr. Thomas Perls of Boston University has stated HGH may add a little muscle mass, but most of that is probably due to water. The studies thus far show there’s very little in the way of improvement in strength.

 

Did Pettitte suddenly go from throwing a 90 mph fastball to a 100 mph fastball? Nope

 

It is a banned substance. Stop deluding yourself, he cheated. And even if there's very little added muscle mass or strength, it is still cheating.

[Keeper]

There is a clear difference between steroids which gets you stronger and human growth hormone HGH which heals you. Pettitte used it to treat an injury 3 years prior before MLB even decided to ban it. He even had his best seasons well before and after he had used HGH.

 

This is exactly why people do not classify Pettitte as a juicer like they do Clemens or Bonds.

 

Or so he claimed. There is absolutely no reason to believe a word he said.

 

Pettitte was borderline, at best, for the HoF before we found out he cheated. Now, he shouldn't even be in the discussion.

 

I have a feeling this move cements Pineda to the minors to start the yr. Garcia and Hughes get the final two spots out of the gate' date=' Pettitte comes up in the setting of injury early on and Pineda returns in June.[/quote']

 

Jacko, the Yankees are not sending down Pineda until June just because you have Pettitte now. Pineda is easily your 2nd best pitcher.

[SCM33]

Congressional scientific panel member Dr. Thomas Perls of Boston University has stated HGH may add a little muscle mass, but most of that is probably due to water. The studies thus far show there’s very little in the way of improvement in strength.

 

Did Pettitte suddenly go from throwing a 90 mph fastball to a 100 mph fastball? Nope

 

Cheated.

 

Just like Manny did.

 

Just like Ortiz was accused of.

 

The only difference is, Pettitte admitted to it. He admitted he cheated.

[jacksonianmarch]

Ortiz wasnt accused of it. He cheated too, he failed a drug test, which is something Pettitte never did. One would then assume what Ortiz used was way worse than what Pettitte used.

[jacksonianmarch]

Also, Pineda is our second best pitcher. But we have such insane depth that we may put Pineda in AAA to guy time for Garcia to build more stock and then move him for something we might need.

[example1]

Also' date=' Pineda is our second best pitcher. But we have such insane depth that we may put Pineda in AAA to guy time for Garcia to build more stock and then move him for something we might need.[/quote']

 

This would just be stupid. If he's your second best pitcher then just throw him. The guy doesn't need more seasoning. No need to out-think the room. Garcia doesn't need to build stock either, he's a well known pitcher but he isn't that good.

[jacksonianmarch]

No, he isnt that good, but he would be a serious upgrade over what most teams have in their #4 or #5 spots. I am sure we could get a B level prospect or a good bench player for him if he comes out pitching like he did last season.

[example1]

No' date=' he isnt that good, but he would be a serious upgrade over what most teams have in their #4 or #5 spots. I am sure we could get a B level prospect or a good bench player for him if he comes out pitching like he did last season.[/quote']

 

I just think it's overthinking the situation. You have a tremendous pitcher you just traded Montero for. Why start him in AAA? He doesn't need to develop more. He isn't being pushed out by a better pitcher. There just isn't a way I can make sense of it. If they really are thinking about it, wow.

[Meh]

I just think it's overthinking the situation. You have a tremendous pitcher you just traded Montero for. Why start him in AAA? He doesn't need to develop more. He isn't being pushed out by a better pitcher. There just isn't a way I can make sense of it. If they really are thinking about it' date=' wow.[/quote']

 

pretty soon you'll start to hear Yankee fans say lets put Pineda in the bullpen.

[jacksonianmarch]

Nobody should ever say that. Listen, I love the acqusition of Pineda and I think he is a hell of a talent. Right now, they either have to deal away some veterans or cut someone. I'd rather they get something back in return than let someone go for free