Speculation: Grady Sizemore

[SoxFanForsyth]

So because the team has too much of something, it's okay to add to the logjam? I don't see the sense in that.

 

Also, consider this:

 

Over the last three years Sizemore has played 210 games (average 70 per year) with a .234/.314/.413 slash line, which Reddick surpassed last year, and he will make a fraction of what Sizemore is primed to get, so he is not an upgrade in any sense of the word. If a team wants to take the chance on him fine, but he doesn't fit with the Red Sox.

 

If you want to get even deeper into it, his .234/.314/.413 numbers are skewed heavily from his stats 3 seasons ago.

 

Sizemore has averaged 70 games per season over the past 3 seasons. Over the past 2 years, he's hit .220/.280/.379.

 

In 2011, vs LHP, he hit .183/.244/.338.

In 2010, vs LHP, he hit .122/.204/.122.

 

He's a huge hole in an already LH heavy lineup.

 

Adding Sizemore as anything but depth would be too risky for my blood. And as depth, we need someone that swings from the right side. I just don't see how Sizemore would help this team.

[User Name]

I wouldn't argue a Beltran signing as long as it's not to a JD Drew-like deal. We do need a RH bat' date=' and he proved last year that he still has it. If we can rotate him through the DH spot too, it might turn out into a good signing. [b']I just don't see Beltran going for a 1-2 year deal[/b].

 

Who's going to give him more with his history?

[SoxFanForsyth]

I wouldn't argue a Beltran signing as long as it's not to a JD Drew-like deal. We do need a RH bat' date=' and he proved last year that he still has it. If we can rotate him through the DH spot too, it might turn out into a good signing. I just don't see Beltran going for a 1-2 year deal.[/quote']

 

If we can get Beltran for anywhere from 3/30 to 3/40, I'd do it in a minute, especially if it was a bit front-loaded so that his value in his last year is depleted and if we needed to replace him, it wouldn't hurt as bad (in terms of actual payroll, not CBT).

 

Beltran hit .286 with a .923 OPS vs LHP last year, and you can expect those numbers to go up in Fenway, as he's a pull hitter. He's exactly what this team needs, much more than Sizemore.

[User Name]

I wouldn't get mad with Willingham either.

[Laser Show]

All the hitting they're discussing doesn't even begin to help our major weakness, SP. We were arguably the best hitting team in the Majors, and even without Ortiz, we will be right around the same place.

[Elktonnick]

All the hitting they're discussing doesn't even begin to help our major weakness' date=' SP. We were arguably the best hitting team in the Majors, and even without Ortiz, we will be right around the same place.[/quote']

 

My point exactly.

[Palodios]

All the hitting they're discussing doesn't even begin to help our major weakness' date=' SP. We were arguably the best hitting team in the Majors, and even without Ortiz, we will be right around the same place.[/quote']

 

I think that is generally understood that this team needs to add pitching. But a RHH RF is another one of this team's priorities, and while I know that will cost money, it will likely be the money the Red Sox get from letting David Ortiz go.

[Laser Show]

I think that is generally understood that this team needs to add pitching. But a RHH RF is another one of this team's priorities' date=' and while I know that will cost money, it will likely be the money the Red Sox get from letting David Ortiz go.[/quote']

 

A priority yes, just not as high up there. I think we'd be okay if we couldn't find one. The Sizemore (LH) aspect of it doesn't add up.

 

Sidenote: Andrew Miller has been worth more as a hitter than as a pitcher through his career so far. Ominous sign.

[Elktonnick]

A priority yes, just not as high up there. I think we'd be okay if we couldn't find one. The Sizemore (LH) aspect of it doesn't add up.

 

Sidenote: Andrew Miller has been worth more as a hitter than as a pitcher through his career so far. Ominous sign.

 

Priorities ? Right after manager, pitching coach, 4th and perhaps 5 th starter, closer, middle relief (several) and DH. Yea its right up there.

[YAZMAN]

WWTED?

[WhiskeyBreath]

Wouldn't mind bringing him in here on a one year incentive laden deal. It would be good for the player and the team. Gives him a season to prove he can stay healthy and be productive.

[User Name]

Wouldn't mind bringing him in here on a one year incentive laden deal. It would be good for the player and the team. Gives him a season to prove he can stay healthy and be productive.

 

He can build value elsewhere. The Sox need at RH hitter who's healthy. The FO's love affair with fragile players/damaged goods need to end, even if the contract is short.

[seabeachfred]

If we go after one of these FA RFs, are we seriously letting Reddick and/or Kalish ride the bench for yet another year?

 

 

I'd be trying to put together a megadeal with the Dodgers. We need RH power. We need pitching. We need Pedroia to be happy with his buddy Ethier.

 

Buchholz, Ellsbury, Reddick, Anderson, Doubront, Bogaerts

for

Kemp, Ethier, Kershaw.

 

Come at me.

 

Come at you Laser Show? Nah!!!! I just think this is very unrealistic. The Dodgers are a dumb lot but they are not that dumb and stupid. Kershaw is going no place. Boy would I love to have him. I live in Arcadia, about 17 miles from Dodger Stadium and though I wouldn't caught dead there I do watch them and the Angels on TV out here. Kershaw is close to becoming the best pitcher in baseball within two years. With ownership changing, if the new owners have the cash which they better if they want the once naive fans to return, they will not trade either Kershaw or Kemp. Those two have to be resigned.

 

Ethier has had trouble hitting lefties for all his career, though he is better at it than Sizemore. Still we are too left handed as it is. If Papi walks and we get another RH bat at DH we could think about such a deal, but if Papi returns we had better get a guy like Cuddyer who hits from the right side even though our friend 700 Hitter the price for him might be beyond our means.

[Dojji]

Why?

[seabeachfred]

Why?

 

Dojji, good question and maybe better than my answer. I just believe this year the Red Sox will be very circumspect with handing out large amounts of cash for FA. Besides, word is out that many teams are very interested in Mike Cuddyer. A lot depends on whether the Red Sox make big moves to resign Papelbon and Ortiz. Well, it is only my opoinion and we all know opinions won't even buy you a cup of coffee. We'll just have to wait and see.

 

WHAT DO YOU THINK DOJJI??????????

[Laser Show]

Come at you Laser Show? Nah!!!! I just think this is very unrealistic. The Dodgers are a dumb lot but they are not that dumb and stupid. Kershaw is going no place. Boy would I love to have him. I live in Arcadia, about 17 miles from Dodger Stadium and though I wouldn't caught dead there I do watch them and the Angels on TV out here. Kershaw is close to becoming the best pitcher in baseball within two years. With ownership changing, if the new owners have the cash which they better if they want the once naive fans to return, they will not trade either Kershaw or Kemp. Those two have to be resigned.

 

Ethier has had trouble hitting lefties for all his career, though he is better at it than Sizemore. Still we are too left handed as it is. If Papi walks and we get another RH bat at DH we could think about such a deal, but if Papi returns we had better get a guy like Cuddyer who hits from the right side even though our friend 700 Hitter the price for him might be beyond our means.

 

Oh I know. The Dodgers would be insane to ever let him leave

[Dojji]

Personally I think we're not in the market for a righthanded hitting outfielder, or any other kind of outfielder, until we've plugged the holes in our rotation and bullpen.

 

Personally I wouldn't mind starting the year with Reddick and moving on nearer the deadline if it's not working. You can usually score an outfielder worth your time at the deadline, it's the easiest position to replace in midseason..

[soxfan74]

As long as it's an incentive based contract. The risk would be worth it. Depending on his current medical status also. We could use the Right handed bat

[User Name]

Personally I think we're not in the market for a righthanded hitting outfielder, or any other kind of outfielder, until we've plugged the holes in our rotation and bullpen.

 

Personally I wouldn't mind starting the year with Reddick and moving on nearer the deadline if it's not working. You can usually score an outfielder worth your time at the deadline, it's the easiest position to replace in midseason..

 

Reddick is a better bet to stay healthy and produce than Sizemore by the way.

 

As long as it's an incentive based contract. The risk would be worth it. Depending on his current medical status also. We could use the Right handed bat

 

Sizemore is lefthanded.

[Muggah]

Run as fast as you can from this and faster if necessary. We don't need another left hand hitting outfielder on this team' date=' especially one who has never hit southpaw pitching worth a damn. We need a RH hitting outfielder and Michael Cuddyer is the one we need in my opinion. Besides being a guy who can give you some decent power and run production he is versatile as hell. He can play a ton of positions if necessary and I take it he hit southpaw pitching, something very important in the heavily southpaw AL East. Hey Cherington take a walk away from this as fast as you can.[/quote']

 

Amen to that, Fred. A few years back I was a big fan of Sizemore's, but IMO he's just a younger version of J D Drew. He can't stay on the field. We're already stuck with one of those in Kevin Youkilis. We don't need another. And that's not even taking into consideration that we 're still in dire need of a RHH OF bat. Cuddyer is the man. Stop the nonsense, Cherington and go get Cuddyer.

[a700hitter]

Amen to that' date=' Fred. A few years back I was a big fan of Sizemore's, but IMO he's just a younger version of J D Drew. He can't stay on the field. We're already stuck with one of those in Kevin Youkilis. We don't need another. And that's not even taking into consideration that we 're still in dire need of a RHH OF bat. Cuddyer is the man. Stop the nonsense, Cherington and go get Cuddyer.[/quote']Cuddyer would be a nice pickup, and he would add balance to the lineup. I'm not sure how he would handle RF at Fenway.

[seabeachfred]

700 Hitter---Earlier you said Cuddyer would be a very expensive player to get. At least I think it was you. From the looks of things, though, you seem to be in favor of going out and getting him. I really think that is the best way to go. I do share your concern about RF; it's the toughest RF in baseball, but his bat and run production could go a long way in overcoming any such deficiencies and we could also have a fourth or fifth outfielder who could be used as a defensive replacement in the later innings if necessary. I just don't like the idea of adding another lefthand hitter. We are too overloaded with them as it is and another one like Sizemore who can't hit southpaws anyway and can't stay healthy is a luxury I don't think the Red Sox can afford.

[User Name]

I don't understand people's fixation with Cuddyer. Most of his value comes from his versatility. He's not that good a hitter.

[SoxFanForsyth]

Cuddyer would be a nice pickup' date=' and he would add balance to the lineup. I'm not sure how he would handle RF at Fenway.[/quote']

 

He won't need to handle RF at Fenway. We need to sell high on Ellsbury for an elite or near-elite SP (to the Giants for Cain, Ells + 1 to Angels for Haren, Ells in a 3-way trade for Felix).

 

Move Crawford to CF where he actually can show some value with his legs and defense, rather than sticking him out in LF where speed is useless. Throw Cuddyer (or Beltran, either or) out in LF, and put Kalish in RF (or sign DeJesus for RF).

 

That's my take. You'd have a rotation of Lester - Cain - Buchholz - Beckett - _____, and a lineup of:

 

Crawford

Pedroia

Gonzalez

Youkilis

Cuddyer/Beltran

Lavarnway

Salty

Scutaro

 

Kalish/DeJesus

[Laser Show]

Salty get's 2 ABs in your 10 man lineup. Cheater!

[SoxFanForsyth]

Salty get's 2 ABs in your 10 man lineup. Cheater!

 

I have no idea what you're talking about. :harhar:

[Meh]

Ethier' date=' an impending free agent, is not worth a cost controlled Buchholz.[/quote']

 

Buxhholz has his injury concerns with his back. Thats kind of kills some of his value, I'm not saying he's worthless but he's def not worth what he was this time last year.

[Elktonnick]

Amen to that' date=' Fred. A few years back I was a big fan of Sizemore's, but IMO he's just a younger version of J D Drew. He can't stay on the field. We're already stuck with one of those in Kevin Youkilis. We don't need another. And that's not even taking into consideration that we 're still in dire need of a RHH OF bat. Cuddyer is the man. Stop the nonsense, Cherington and go get Cuddyer.[/quote']

 

I agree. The only way I'd consider Sizemore now is if he suddenly developed a curveball, slider and could go at least 5 innings. My point has been we shouldn't worrying about position players until we get our real needs addressed, pitching. The process of addressing the pitching should result in opprtunities to fill in the few holes the club has in the day to day lineup as well as the opportunity to unload some of our 3A 4A players who won't make an impact here.

[Palodios]

Buxhholz has his injury concerns with his back. Thats kind of kills some of his value' date=' I'm not saying he's worthless but he's def not worth what he was this time last year.[/quote']

 

Ethier is coming off a .780 OPS season, and is a mediocre to terrible defensive corner outfielder with a mere 11 home runs. Buchholz + 2 for Ethier shouldn't even be a topic for discussion.

[redsoxrules]

He won't need to handle RF at Fenway. We need to sell high on Ellsbury for an elite or near-elite SP (to the Giants for Cain, Ells + 1 to Angels for Haren, Ells in a 3-way trade for Felix).

 

Move Crawford to CF where he actually can show some value with his legs and defense, rather than sticking him out in LF where speed is useless. Throw Cuddyer (or Beltran, either or) out in LF, and put Kalish in RF (or sign DeJesus for RF).

 

That's my take. You'd have a rotation of Lester - Cain - Buchholz - Beckett - _____, and a lineup of:

 

Crawford

Pedroia

Gonzalez

Youkilis

Cuddyer/Beltran

Lavarnway

Salty

Scutaro

 

Kalish/DeJesus

 

 

From what I saw this year in LF , that wouldn't be a great idea.

I wouldn't move him to a more difficult position when he struggled with his current one