2012 Who will be our manager?

[iortiz]

Still waiting for you to show me where I said that I attend Sox staff meetings or that I KNOW what is going on in the FO...

What I DO know is that a manager has not been named. Thats the bottom line. Thats ALL any of us know for sure. They are the laughing stock of the media now. They APPEAR dysfunctional and indecisive. Read the link below from Shaughnessy if you don't believe me. You don't think players read some of this stuff? You don't think a team gets a reputation, positive or negative? Do you think this sort of stuff helps us out when it comes to APPEARING professional?

I don't care if they have already decided; they should have already ACTED and named a manager in a prompt and expeditious manner. The longer they wait, the more LAUGHABLE they appear.

 

http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2011/11/28/looks_like_theres_a_power_struggle_on_yawkey_way/

 

 

I'm pretty sure that nobody around here have claimed to know the accurate facts, all of us have made assuptions /opinions, in the end this is all about, isn't it?, then, we can agree or not. That's all.

 

Some of us share your opinion about this issue. The longer they wait, the more it won't look good. But again, that's our perception btw....notice that I'm not claiming to know the facts

[FredLynn]

I'm pretty sure that nobody around here have claimed to know the accurate facts, all of us have made assuptions /opinions, in the end this is all about, isn't it?, then, we can agree or not. That's all.

 

Some of us share your opinion about this issue. The longer they wait, the more it won't look good. But again, that's our perception btw....notice that I'm not claiming to know the facts

 

ALL of us want the team to do well (well, almost all of us). This situation does not aid that goal at all. Perception IS important. Who wants to be a member of a team that appears to be in disarray like this? All other things being equal, I would chose to be on a different MORE PROFESSIONAL appearing team, one that seems to have its act together. You are right: none of us knows what is going on behind the scenes. Therefore, we are limited to offering opinions based on the facts we do know-one of which is that they have not yet named a manager in two months (the Cardinals took what-12 days?). The Red Sox do not need this right now. Its a mistake....in my opinion, of course.

[iortiz]

Despite the fact that your business knowledge is unsurpassed on this forum' date=' you remain humble. I, on the other hand, would have claimed to be all-knowing and offered an opinion. [/quote']

 

 

I wouldn't expect less from you my friend.

[iortiz]

ALL of us want the team to do well (well' date=' almost all of us). This situation does not aid that goal at all. Perception IS important. [b']Who wants to be a member of a team that appears to be in disarray like this?All other things being equal, I would chose to be on a different MORE PROFESSIONAL appearing team, one that seems to have its act together[/b]. You are right: none of us knows what is going on behind the scenes. Therefore, we are limited to offering opinions based on the facts we do know-one of which is that they have not yet named a manager in two months (the Cardinals took what-12 days?). The Red Sox do not need this right now. Its a mistake....in my opinion, of course.

 

I wouldn't be surpriesed that Papelbon considered this issue as a strong point among others and beyond the money to go to Philly...

 

BTW seems like we need to end our posts with a "in my opinion" every time we make a post in order to clarify that we don't claim the true as a flag, huh?

[a700hitter]

I wouldn't be surpriesed that Papelbon considered this issue as a strong point among others and beyond the money to go to Philly...

 

BTW seems like we need to end our posts with a "in my opinion" every time we make a post in order to clarify that we don't claim the true as a flag, huh?

When opinions are so often right, maybe people assume that there is some insider knowledge?:dunno:

[FredLynn]

I wouldn't be surpriesed that Papelbon considered this issue as a strong point among others and beyond the money to go to Philly...

 

BTW seems like we need to end our posts with a "in my opinion" every time we make a post in order to clarify that we don't claim the true as a flag, huh?

 

Sometimes people make the mistake of interpreting opinions as intended facts; and sometimes people pass off opinions as facts. As regards this situation, its a FACT that we do not yet have a manager named; and its a FACT that the team appears dysfunctional and disorganzed, at least to many people. I also think its a FACT that players would prefer to play for a team that appears professional and are winners than the alternative.

The reasons for the delay are all opinion, obviously. Its hard to imagine why someone would interpret those opinions as intended facts. How could they be facts? None of us work for the Red Sox, as far as I know.

[FredLynn]

When opinions are so often right' date=' maybe people assume that there is some insider knowledge?:dunno:[/quote']

 

To that end, I am getting tired of Shaughnessy and Mazz stealing my material. Do those two guys think I have inside information?

I need to copyright my stuff.......

[iortiz]

When opinions are so often right' date=' maybe people assume that there is some insider knowledge?:dunno:[/quote']

 

or a good outside-in perspective in order to read between lines and try to predict some things?

 

EDIT: BTW I think that the balance about this issue is in our favor, isn't it?

[iortiz]

To that end, I am getting tired of Shaughnessy and Mazz stealing my material. Do those two guys think I have inside information?

I need to copyright my stuff.......

 

[jung]

I am more inclined to think that Paps was convinced early on that the Sox were not going to even be in the same ballpark of the offer that he was getting from the Phils or would get from other teams less averse to long term deals for closers and at the end of the day, he would have been right. If the two teams were close to offering the same thing we might have gotten a better read on whether Paps had a preference. I think he would have been just as happy to see the Sox get into a bidding war for him but realized it was not going to happen. Heck the Sox were publicly making noise like they thought Paps would get much better offers than they were willing to make and were basically saying congratulations and goodbye Paps. No telling what they might have been saying to Paps privately.

[a700hitter]

To that end, I am getting tired of Shaughnessy and Mazz stealing my material. Do those two guys think I have inside information?

I need to copyright my stuff.......

I agree with you. Pete A. also a regularly steals material. How about a little credit once in a while fellas or throw us a couple of comp tickets.

[Elktonnick]

Sometimes people make the mistake of interpreting opinions as intended facts; and sometimes people pass off opinions as facts. As regards this situation, its a FACT that we do not yet have a manager named; and its a FACT that the team appears dysfunctional and disorganzed, at least to many people. I also think its a FACT that players would prefer to play for a team that appears professional and are winners than the alternative.

The reasons for the delay are all opinion, obviously. Its hard to imagine why someone would interpret those opinions as intended facts. How could they be facts? None of us work for the Red Sox, as far as I know.

 

Lou Merloni, Dan Shaughnessy and Bob Ryan made exactly the same points as you Pumpsie no more than two hours ago on CSNE. In fact,I haven't heard one knowledgeable baseball analyst make any other. Lou Merloni et al believe it has distracted from other tasks that the front office needs to be doing for the upcoming season. The winter meeetings are less than a week away. Not only no manager but also no pitching coach, I don't know but I'd think most competent baseball execs would want their pitching coach's input on any deal involving pitchers for example

[jung]

Not being able to pull the trigger on V is one of the reasons why I think the Sox have been looking at one more candidate under the table, maybe more than one. That does not mean they will be successful in that regard. However V has always looked like somebody they have kept in their hip pocket but not somebody they have been ga-ga over. At some point here they will exhaust all of their efforts, those above and below the table and hire somebody. Given when the CBA was completed I do think that if they have not named a manager by the end of this week, at the latest, they have an issue. The arb deadline is 12/7. Honestly it would be hard to argue that having this go past the arb deadline will not come at a cost.

 

That said you would knock me over with a feather if the Sox have not been gaming different scenarios and planning the moves they are going to start to make and should start working on next week. We can't possibly believe that they have not been formulating roster plans.

[SoxSport]

Gammons said tonite on MLB cable that Lucchino is on the spot--having told Cherington the manager's call was his. Is Lucchino that dumb?

 

If they pick this prune Lamont over Valentine just to appease Cherington, there will be hell to raise in the media and the fandom.

 

The management has really fumbled the ball in the manager search.

[iortiz]

Can Ben Cherington trust Bobby Valentine? Does Larry Lucchino trust Ben Cherington?

Red Sox tangled in issues of trust. Decision on manager seems to be caught in Cherington-Lucchino-Valentine

 

http://espn.go.com/boston/mlb/story/_/id/7292546/boston-red-sox-manager-choice-comes-trust

[FredLynn]

Gammons said tonite on MLB cable that Lucchino is on the spot--having told Cherington the manager's call was his. Is Lucchino that dumb?

 

If they pick this prune Lamont over Valentine just to appease Cherington, there will be hell to raise in the media and the fandom.

 

The management has really fumbled the ball in the manager search.

 

I think that at this point the damage has already been done. It was VERY poorly handled. The cost of this bungling has yet to be determined. I think Papelbon considered this when he left; Ortiz mentioned it too at the end of the year (he said something like "I am not sure I want to keep playing with all this drama around"). A selection of Lamont over Valentine would do further damage IMO in that players will look at this and see that the organization has learned nothing and that, most likely, it will continue to be a nonfactor in October.

[a700hitter]

Can Ben Cherington trust Bobby Valentine? Does Larry Lucchino trust Ben Cherington?

Red Sox tangled in issues of trust. Decision on manager seems to be caught in Cherington-Lucchino-Valentine

 

http://espn.go.com/boston/mlb/story/_/id/7292546/boston-red-sox-manager-choice-comes-trust

Shouldn't we be outraged at Edes, Shaughnessy and Gammons. Who the hell do they think they are? Do they know what is going on behind the scenes in the FO.... or is this farce so obvious that only an idiot wouldn't have cause to think something is amiss.

[a700hitter]

There aren't too many articles these last few days exalting the measured and considered approach being taken by the FO. The press is so irresponsible. Hopefully, the FO doesn't rush to judgment in hiring a manager just to appease the angry mob. They are really pounding the keys in cyberspace. A coup d'etat could be a real danger.

[iortiz]

Shouldn't we be outraged at Edes' date=' Shaughnessy and Gammons. Who the hell do they think they are? Do they know what is going on behind the scenes in the FO.... or is this farce so obvious that only an idiot wouldn't have cause to think something is amiss. [/quote']

 

A lot of bad signs compa.

 

This doesn't smell well at all.

[a700hitter]

A lot of bad signs compa.

 

This doesn't smell well at all.

Could more heads roll or will here be an uneasy truce?

[SoxSport]

Can Ben Cherington trust Bobby Valentine? Does Larry Lucchino trust Ben Cherington?

Red Sox tangled in issues of trust. Decision on manager seems to be caught in Cherington-Lucchino-Valentine

 

http://espn.go.com/boston/mlb/story/_/id/7292546/boston-red-sox-manager-choice-comes-trust

 

This is an absurd situation created by Lucchino/Henry's mismanagement.

The tail wagging the dog.

 

Cherington may have to go if they want Valentine. And it's their fault--they gave this guy too much power. Ben wants a manager the FO can control.

[iortiz]

Could more heads roll or will here be an uneasy truce?

 

If this team fails again, Luchino's head will role next year. It is evident that Cherington is not the decision maker in this team, so... Luchino won't have more scapegoats like Theo or Tito.

 

I'm not sure how does Cherington feel about all this mess..

[a700hitter]

If this team fails again, Luchino's head will role next year. It is evident that Cherington is not the decision maker in this team, so... Luchino won't have more scapegoats like Theo or Tito.

 

I'm not sure how Cherington feels about all this situation.

And the owners are acting like absentee landlords.

[iortiz]

And the owners are acting like absentee landlords.

 

Seems so...

 

This is supposed to be a GM's call, isn't it?

 

If LL impose the manager against BC's call, Cherington should have the balls and put his renouncement. And you know what? I would clap him. That would show the FO that he wouldn't accept to be a puppet.

[example1]

There aren't too many articles these last few days exalting the measured and considered approach being taken by the FO. The press is so irresponsible. Hopefully' date=' the FO doesn't rush to judgment in hiring a manager just to appease the angry mob. They are really pounding the keys in cyberspace. A coup d'etat could be a real danger.[/quote']

 

There are options between exaulting with the FO's handling of a situation and being ready to declare them completely inept in all matters. You know this. Stop trying to start s***.

 

This is a mess... until they hire a manager. Which should be soon.

 

The Sox fanbase is starved for news about player acquisitions and is frustrated that very little has been leaking out. I have to admit, this is as quiet as I can remember it being in years.

[ipot]

Can Ben Cherington trust Bobby Valentine? Does Larry Lucchino trust Ben Cherington?

Red Sox tangled in issues of trust. Decision on manager seems to be caught in Cherington-Lucchino-Valentine

 

http://espn.go.com/boston/mlb/story/_/id/7292546/boston-red-sox-manager-choice-comes-trust

 

 

And who said the team won't be competitive next season? The game will be in the FO.

The need to turn all 37,000 Fenway seats to face the management boxes.

[a700hitter]

There are options between exaulting with the FO's handling of a situation and being ready to declare them completely inept in all matters. You know this. Stop trying to start s***.

 

This is a mess... until they hire a manager. Which should be soon.

 

The Sox fanbase is starved for news about player acquisitions and is frustrated that very little has been leaking out. I have to admit, this is as quiet as I can remember it being in years.

After all the ridicule that you heaped on me in the "Does Ben Make Move During the GM Meetings this Week?", you ask me not to start s***? Interesting.

[iortiz]

And who said the team won't be competitive next season? The game will be in the FO.

The need to turn all 37,000 Fenway seats to face the management boxes.

 

[example1]

After all the ridicule that you heaped on me in the "Does Ben Make Move During the GM Meetings this Week?"' date=' you ask me not to start s***? Interesting.[/quote']

 

Good post. I'm sure you weren't starting s***.

[a700hitter]

Good post. I'm sure you weren't starting s***.

If ridiculing the FO is starting s***, then I plead guilty. I don't view it as anything other than fair game in public discourse. Ridiculing another poster would definitely be an attempt to start s***. Hmmm.... maybe that last post of mine was a little trash talkie, but some of you had it coming. At least you are here E1 when things are going in an unexpected way for you. I can appreciate that. I'll try to keep my endzone celebrations in check