Should the Red Sox consider Bard as a starter in 2012?

[Palodios]

I was listening to the Saturday Morning Baseball show today, and someone brought up this idea. Should the Red Sox consider resigning Papelbon and making Bard a starter?

 

Bard is incredibly valuable as a setup man, but would you rather see him pitching 60 innings a season, or 200?

[La Munson]

Has he ever really showed that he could be a starter? The longest he has ever pitched was 2.1 innings and that was back in May 09.

 

He could have the stuff for it though, and we seriously need some rotation help for next year, we should at least attempt it in spring training first.

[BossSox]

I want us to get Felix Hernandez

[Station 13]

Nope. Not with how terrible the rest of the bullpen relievers are.

 

Bard is a 3+ WAR reliever. That's about a value of a #3 starter.

[Reck]

Only if you want to lose all the games he'd start.

[example1]

I would definitely consider it but I dont know enough about his stamina and make up. The FA pitching market is going to be thin... for awhile. Have to look at all options.

[a700hitter]

It have read and heard that he still wants to be a starter. He would be a huge upgrade over Wakefield, Miller, and the cast of clowns this year. He'd just have to be reliable and able to take the ball every 5th day. We have not had a #5 starter do that since Bronson Arroyo.

[a700hitter]

I would definitely consider it but I dont know enough about his stamina and make up. The FA pitching market is going to be thin... for awhile. Have to look at all options.

Do any of our pitchers have stamina. We are at the bottom of the heap on QS. He's a strong kid. He should have no problem being better than the garbage that we have had in the 4th and 5th slots for the last several years.

[a700hitter]

Only if you want to lose all the games he'd start.

Worse than Wakefield?

[a700hitter]

2012 would be the time to move him to the rotation if the Sox bolster the end of the pen with Heath Bell.

[Reck]

Worse than Wakefield?

 

By no means. When you put it that way I'd take Bard over Wakefield 10 out of 10 times.

 

I was thinking of Dice-K.

 

In my mind the starting rotation would be this.

 

Beckett

Lester

Buchholz

Dice-K

Miller

Aceves

 

Now I know Miller isn't exactly electrying with his stuff but s*** when you look at that s***** fat ass good for nothing Lackey anything will do.

 

Dice-K has been :dunno: too but again, I rather deal with him then Bedard and his weak stamina.

 

Aceves, maybe I'm going on a limb here but I like him as a starter. He cant be any worse. If anything he should get half the starts and share it with someone else.

[a700hitter]

By no means. When you put it that way I'd take Bard over Wakefield 10 out of 10 times.

 

I was thinking of Dice-K.

 

In my mind the starting rotation would be this.

 

Beckett

Lester

Buchholz

Dice-K

Miller

Aceves

 

Now I know Miller isn't exactly electrying with his stuff but s*** when you look at that s***** fat ass good for nothing Lackey anything will do.

 

Dice-K has been :dunno: too but again, I rather deal with him then Bedard and his weak stamina.

 

Aceves, maybe I'm going on a limb here but I like him as a starter. He cant be any worse. If anything he should get half the starts and share it with someone else.

Dice K will not be ready at the start of the season-- maybe not the entire season.

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

By no means. When you put it that way I'd take Bard over Wakefield 10 out of 10 times.

 

I was thinking of Dice-K.

 

In my mind the starting rotation would be this.

 

Beckett

Lester

Buchholz

Dice-K

Miller

Aceves

 

Now I know Miller isn't exactly electrying with his stuff but s*** when you look at that s***** fat ass good for nothing Lackey anything will do.

 

Dice-K has been :dunno: too but again, I rather deal with him then Bedard and his weak stamina.

 

Aceves, maybe I'm going on a limb here but I like him as a starter. He cant be any worse. If anything he should get half the starts and share it with someone else.

 

Lackey isn't coming out of the rotation. Have fun celebrating Dice-K absence as much as you can LOL.

[Reck]

Lackey isn't coming out of the rotation. Have fun celebrating Dice-K absence as much as you can LOL.

 

I didn't mean my post as real life scenario. It is what I'd like to see.

 

The chances of that happening it nearly zero I know.

 

The sox are stuck with Lackey. They're not gonna bench him and throw away all that money. Might as well use him for something.

[iortiz]

By no means. When you put it that way I'd take Bard over Wakefield 10 out of 10 times.

 

I was thinking of Dice-K.

 

In my mind the starting rotation would be this.

 

Beckett

Lester

Buchholz

Dice-K

Miller

Aceves

 

Now I know Miller isn't exactly electrying with his stuff but s*** when you look at that s***** fat ass good for nothing Lackey anything will do.

 

Dice-K has been :dunno: too but again, I rather deal with him then Bedard and his weak stamina.

 

Aceves, maybe I'm going on a limb here but I like him as a starter. He cant be any worse. If anything he should get half the starts and share it with someone else.

 

Really?, It made me vomit a bit.

 

If there's no more options (unlikely), I would put Bard as a starter any single day above Miller/Wake/Lackey/Wieland/D-k

 

But again, we don't need to be scientists in order to know that this rotation needs at least one solid/healthy SP.

[a700hitter]

Really?, It made me vomit a bit.

 

If there's no more options (unlikely), I would put Bard as a starter any single day above Miller/Wake/Lackey/Wieland/D-k

 

But again, we don't need to be scientists in order to know that this rotation needs at least one solid/healthy SP.

I've felt like throwing up for more than two weeks.

 

I should have gone with my feelings. It would've helped me lose a few lbs. Something positive should come out of this.

[La Munson]

I didn't mean my post as real life scenario. It is what I'd like to see.

 

The chances of that happening it nearly zero I know.

 

The sox are stuck with Lackey. They're not gonna bench him and throw away all that money. Might as well use him for something.

 

Just make him a relief pitcher, we'll be making more money if we're winning more games.

 

What's going to happen, Lackey's going to get mad and go ******* on us? He's already been like that the last two years.

[wyo-sox]

I didn't mean my post as real life scenario. It is what I'd like to see.

 

The chances of that happening it nearly zero I know.

 

The sox are stuck with Lackey. They're not gonna bench him and throw away all that money. Might as well use him for something.

 

I am admittedly new to following Baseball close so I ask this as someone that is curious- not as an argument. I often hear about how a team will not bench a player because they have so much money invested in him. I do not understand this. Once the money is spent- it's spent right? Isn't it at least as equally throwing the money away to keep the player in the line up that has continually proven to hurt the team?

 

In my mind it seems like a bigger waste of money to keep him in there. Not only are you letting him hurt the team you are also prohibiting any chance of finding a better solution.

 

If I have a really expensive car in my driveway and the engine blows I am stuck with the car- but at some point I need to realize I need to find a piece of :/@& car I can afford with no AC, no cruise, no radio and lots of oil leaks because I need to get to work and just sitting in my expensive luxury car not going anywhere in my driveway will get me fired. It would be tough toncallnmy boss and tell him I'm trying to get to work in a car with a blown engine because I have lots of money into it and am stuck with it.

 

Just my thoughts and no team in MLB seems to follow that so help me understand where I am wrong.

[iortiz]

I've felt like throwing up for more than two weeks.

 

I should have gone with my feelings. It would've helped me lose a few lbs. Something positive should come out of this.

 

[Palodios]

I am admittedly new to following Baseball close so I ask this as someone that is curious- not as an argument. I often hear about how a team will not bench a player because they have so much money invested in him. I do not understand this. Once the money is spent- it's spent right? Isn't it at least as equally throwing the money away to keep the player in the line up that has continually proven to hurt the team?

 

In my mind it seems like a bigger waste of money to keep him in there. Not only are you letting him hurt the team you are also prohibiting any chance of finding a better solution.

 

If I have a really expensive car in my driveway and the engine blows I am stuck with the car- but at some point I need to realize I need to find a piece of :/@& car I can afford with no AC, no cruise, no radio and lots of oil leaks because I need to get to work and just sitting in my expensive luxury car not going anywhere in my driveway will get me fired. It would be tough toncallnmy boss and tell him I'm trying to get to work in a car with a blown engine because I have lots of money into it and am stuck with it.

 

Just my thoughts and no team in MLB seems to follow that so help me understand where I am wrong.

 

The idea is that players who are paid big money are paid that because they're talented enough to deserve it. The coaches/management are more tied to hold onto the talent than the money, and people seem to disregard that. Lackey used to be a big game pitcher, although at this point its time to give him some time off.

[Derikgoulet1995]

I think it would b good as long as he can go the innings and if it don't work just move him back

[Dojji]

Mm. I'm remembering what Bard looked like the last time he started. In A-ball.

 

Nah. Find another answer.

[vjcsmoke]

I don't think DiceK will be back. A move out west would probably do him good. Maybe to the Mariners?

[jacksonianmarch]

Bard was absolutely horrible as a starter in the minors. The sox cleaned up his mechanics, shortened his arsenal to two pitches, and put him into the stretch full time and he became a pen ace. If you try to move him back, you risk losing his effectiveness.

[soxfan74]

Heard Merloni suggest this earlier. Putting bard in the starting rotation is a bad idea. Should proabably take a look at his line in low A ball nefore he was moved into the Bullpen in 2007. Not good.

[iMagic10]

NO!!! We NEED Lincecum! ASAP!

 

I want his name on my next Red Sox jersey.

[Cairns_Sox]

If Bard becomes a starter, who becomes the setup/closer? I'm hoping we keep Paps and he does either of them. But who would we target if they do try Bard in the rotation. Heath Bell? I've heard people say use Aceves but I disagree.

[a700hitter]

If Bard becomes a starter' date=' who becomes the setup/closer? I'm hoping we keep Paps and he does either of them. But who would we target if they do try Bard in the rotation. Heath Bell? I've heard people say use Aceves but I disagree.[/quote']Heath Bell for the 8th inning.

[BornToRun]

Bell's staying in SD. He loves it there and wants to close. I don't think he'll bolt here to play second fiddle to Papelbon.

[Cairns_Sox]

Bell's staying in SD. He loves it there and wants to close. I don't think he'll bolt here to play second fiddle to Papelbon.

 

You'd think they would have resigned him by now then? Soria or as high risk high reward maybe K- Rod.