2011 Trade Deadline Thread

[AtWork]

Bronson Arroyo cleared Waivers. Given he's not having an ideal year' date=' but it could be worth looking into as a 5th man over Wakefield.[/quote']

 

So has Capuano, Bruce Chen, Rodrigo Lopez, Jason Vargas, Wang, Gozelanny and Ted Lilly. I might take a flyer on Vargas, he's also under arbitration throug 2013 so at the worst he blows up after we acquire him and we non-tender him. If he pitches well, we could probably sign agree to a $4 million figure for next year.

[SoxFanForsyth]

So has Capuano' date=' Bruce Chen, Rodrigo Lopez, Jason Vargas, Wang, Gozelanny and Ted Lilly. I might take a flyer on Vargas, he's also under arbitration throug 2013 so at the worst he blows up after we acquire him and we non-tender him. If he pitches well, we could probably sign agree to a $4 million figure for next year.[/quote']

 

Tom Gorzelanny is intriguing. 8.1 K/9, 2.8 BB/9. Solid peripherals.

[SoxFanForsyth]

Rich Harden was just placed on waivers. Wonder if he'll get through. If he does, don't be surprised if the Sox make a deal for him.

 

EDIT: Crisp, Breslow also on there.

[AtWork]

Rich Harden was just placed on waivers. Wonder if he'll get through. If he does, don't be surprised if the Sox make a deal for him.

 

EDIT: Crisp, Breslow also on there.

 

We'll definitely check the price on Harden if he makes it through waivers. I don't have access to Breslow's numbers this year but if they're decent I imagine we'll also check on him.

[SoxFanForsyth]

We'll definitely check the price on Harden if he makes it through waivers. I don't have access to Breslow's numbers this year but if they're decent I imagine we'll also check on him.

 

Breslow is a LH reliever who is getting beyond shelled by LHH. 1.005 OPS vs LH Hitters. Yikes.

[AtWork]

Breslow is a LH reliever who is getting beyond shelled by LHH. 1.005 OPS vs LH Hitters. Yikes.

 

Nevermind then

[a700hitter]

I'd like to see the Sox pick up Francuer. He's the perfect complement to Reddick/Drew.

[Dojji]

I'd look at Crisp, since we have Aviles to play right field anyway.

[Youk Of The Nation]

I'd like to see the Sox pick up Francuer. He's the perfect complement to Reddick/Drew.

 

I like this. He strikes out a lot, but I still like it. Also, his name is very French sounding, but I still like it.

[snydersminipretzels]

Bronson Arroyo cleared Waivers. Given he's not having an ideal year' date=' but it could be worth looking into as a 5th man over Wakefield.[/quote']

 

He's not even an upgrade over Wakefield. Why would we give up something for a downgrade?

[Spitball]

He's not even an upgrade over Wakefield. Why would we give up something for a downgrade?

 

I like Arroyo but think he is on the downside of his career. Plus, he is signed through 2013 for about $12 million a year.

[a700hitter]

I like Arroyo but think he is on the downside of his career. Plus' date=' he is signed through 2013 for about $12 million a year.[/quote']until this season, he has been very consistent. I read that he got mono in Spring Training, but never took time off. That can be quite debilitating. He could rebound next season.

[Spitball]

until this season' date=' he has been very consistent. I read that he got mono in Spring Training, but never took time off. That can be quite debilitating. He could rebound next season.[/quote']

 

I agree. The guy absolutely wants the ball. He will seemingly not allow anything from keeping him from taking his turn. His K/9 numbers for the last couple of years are a concern, though.

[Palodios]

Well, its not like his numbers have turned themselves around. His recent starts are just as bad as his ones in April--in the NL-- so if they want him as a buy low target, the offseason is probably a better plan.

[SoxFanForsyth]

Well' date=' its not like his numbers have turned themselves around. His recent starts are just as bad as his ones in April--in the NL-- so if they want him as a buy low target, the offseason is probably a better plan.[/quote']

 

If you can get him for a guy who isn't on the 40 man roster and is probably going to get stolen in the rule 5 draft, I wouldn't be opposed to it. He may be starting to turn it around, too (3.60 ERA in past 3 starts). Basically - you never know what a change of scenery is going to do for a player, and if you can get him for someone you're probably going to lose anyway, why not do it?

 

Over the 5 seasons prior to 2011, he averaged 217 IP with a 3.97 ERA. We're not looking for an ace, but the guy can chew up innings and keep you well within the game. He's basically going to come out, give you 6.1-7.0 IP, allow 3-4 ER, and with the offense we have, that's plenty good enough to win.

 

Oh. And he's reliable. It's just a matter of time before Wakefield gets hurt.

[Palodios]

If you can get him for a guy who isn't on the 40 man roster and is probably going to get stolen in the rule 5 draft' date=' I wouldn't be opposed to it. He may be starting to turn it around, too (3.60 ERA in past 3 starts). Basically - you never know what a change of scenery is going to do for a player, and if you can get him for someone you're probably going to lose anyway,[b'] why not do it[/b]?

 

The 25ish million he's still owed. They probably won't eat all that much of it, I don't think.

[a700hitter]

The 25ish million he's still owed. They probably won't eat all that much of it' date=' I don't think.[/quote']How many years are left on his contract?

[Palodios]

2011-2013

[a700hitter]

2011-2013

There's too much time and $ left on that contract. I doubt that anything could be worked out to get him.

[SoxFanForsyth]

The 25ish million he's still owed. They probably won't eat all that much of it' date=' I don't think.[/quote']

 

$25mm? Yikes. I thought he just as $12mm left for 2012, which I could see the Reds eating a portion (3-4mm), and be able to work something out. $25mm is a bit much though.

[BeepBeepYoureDumb]

Harden should clear waivers today right? Either that or we should get some news about a claim put in on him or something.

[Palodios]

Didn't Harden have some health issues? Lars for Harden would have been a complete steal otherwise.

[BeepBeepYoureDumb]

I think the deal was Lars and PTBNL for Harden, with the extra player coming from one list if he made all or most of his expected starts and another list if he sucked air on the DL for two months. When the Sox got his medicals they apparently wanted to change the deal to get rid of the PTBNL altogether. Oakland said buzz off. I think it was probably a situation where if there were more time something could have been worked out but with the non-waiver deadline approaching if they didn't get something else done they could have been left empty handed and on waivers, there's no guarantee you'll be able to get what you need. It was reported after the deadline that the Sox wanted to get Bedard AND Harden, so I'd say theres a chance they revisit it.

[SoxFanForsyth]

Why don't we have a 2011 Injury and Call Up Thread? I was going to make one, but didn't know if we didn't have it because of a superstition or something. Anyway, since we don't have one, I'll post this here:

 

Ryan Lavarnway, who recently became the first Red Sox minor leaguer since 2004 to clear the 30-homer mark in a single season, was pulled from the seventh inning of Triple-A Pawtucket's game on Wednesday night. According to a team source, no decision has been made yet on whether to call up Lavarnway, but the team is apparently prepared to call him up if one of three injured players -- DH David Ortiz (bursitis), third baseman Kevin Youkilis (back) or shortstop Marco Scutaro (back) -- lands on the disabled list. As such, the Sox wanted to pull Lavarnway in order to ensure that he would be available as protection in case a decision is made to DL one of the position players.

 

Lavarnway, who turned 24 earlier this month, is viewed by sources both inside and outside the Red Sox organization as being a major league-ready hitter. Several Red Sox officials believe that he has a future as an everyday catcher in the majors, even though at this point, he requires further defensive development (despite significant progress in his professional career to date).

 

The Red Sox have averaged 3.9 runs per game this month, and just concluded a three-game series against the Rays in which they collected exactly three hits in each contest. The absence of Ortiz was felt, something that may have made the idea of promoting Lavarnway -- the Sox' most advanced minor league hitter -- to help reinforce the lineup at a time when it has scored five or fewer runs in four straight games.

 

Hopefully this guy can come up and provide us with some extra pop because this team is flat as s*** right now. We need something or someone to come up and give us some energy.

[ORS]

That, and, I'm sure they'd like to find a way to get him on the 25-man roster before 8/31. That way, he's elligible for the postseason roster. I'm not trying to get ahead of myself, I realize it may take him some time to find a groove in MLB. That said, sometimes players come up and take off immediately (Ellsbury 2007). If he comes up and does anything like what he's been doing in Pawtuckett, he could be a difference maker off the bench in October.

[SoxSport]

3.9 runs per game this month? That won't do it with Wake and Lackey and their 5 ERAs.

They are stuck with these guys right now, and can't win with them unless they score lots of runs. They need that consistent 3rd starter (Bedard?) to go with Beckett and Lester.

 

You can see why Theo wanted Harden as well, but they got freaked out by his x-rays. They were probably also working on Kuroda and Bedard simultaneously. The Kuroda dealings probably made that 3-way for Bedard possible when Kuroda pulled out.

[SoxFanForsyth]

That' date=' and, I'm sure they'd like to find a way to get him on the 25-man roster before 8/31. That way, he's elligible for the postseason roster. I'm not trying to get ahead of myself, I realize it may take him some time to find a groove in MLB. That said, sometimes players come up and take off immediately (Ellsbury 2007). If he comes up and does anything like what he's been doing in Pawtuckett, [b']he could be a difference maker off the bench in October.[/b]

 

Especially in a situation when we need an extra PH in a world series scenario. Save Ortiz for the late game heroics, let Lavarnway PH in the 7th inning for the SP. I'm not sure whether or not you can set your roster before each series, but regardless, when you really think about it, do we really need a 12 man pitching staff for the PS? If you're going with a 4 man rotation, Wakefield can be sent to the bullpen for mop up duty, and then you have 6 other guys (Bard, Pap, Albers, Aceves, Morales, Wheeler) who can come in and shut it down. That lets you have a 14 man bench, so you can have Varitek, Lavarnway, Lowrie/Aviles, Drew, and McDonald ready to come off the bench when needed.

 

By the way, speaking of the post season, if JD Drew comes up with a huge hit, or if Crawford goes on an unbelievable tear through the PS, is all forgiven this season? Same thing with Lackey - if he goes 4-0 with a 2.15 ERA, is he off the hook for 2011?

[SoxSport]

Didn't Harden have some health issues? Lars for Harden would have been a complete steal otherwise.

 

The whole world knows Harden isn't sound. Never has been. The question is whether he can help in the stretch and the playoffs.

[Palodios]

That' date=' and, I'm sure they'd like to find a way to get him on the 25-man roster before 8/31. That way, he's elligible for the postseason roster. I'm not trying to get ahead of myself, I realize it may take him some time to find a groove in MLB. That said, sometimes players come up and take off immediately (Ellsbury 2007). [b']If he comes up and does anything like what he's been doing in Pawtuckett, he could be a difference maker off the bench in October.[/b]

 

Absolutely agree with this. I'm sure you've noticed, but the bench has seriously underperformed this year. Mike Cameron, Darnell Mcdonald, Jason Varitek, Jed Lowrie... They may have had a good stretch here or there, but they've been absolutely terrible for the long haul, with more 0-fers than any bench I could remember, and not a single one of them has been strong defensively this year either.

[SoxFanForsyth]

Absolutely agree with this. I'm sure you've noticed' date=' but the bench has seriously underperformed this year. Mike Cameron, Darnell Mcdonald, Jason Varitek, Jed Lowrie... They may have had a good stretch here or there, but they've been absolutely terrible for the long haul, with more 0-fers than any bench I could remember, and not a single one of them has been strong defensively this year either.[/quote']

 

You may want to grab a bucket, because this is going to make you want to throw up...

 

Lowrie + McDonald + Cameron + Varitek = .217/.281/.370/.651.