2011 Trade Deadline Thread

[SoxFanForsyth]

Jacobs is too much as he is looking like he may be a big time stud. Bogaerts though is the kind of you who gets dealt as a second fiddle here. Nobody deals a prime time player like Beltran for a fringy lefty straight up. It's always a package. My guess is that Theo is happy enough with the production he should get out of Reddick from here on to forgo dealing away a package he isnt comfortable with.

 

Bogaerts gets dealt with Doubront + a low ceiling prospect if Beltran has an option for 2012, or his contract extends past 2011.

 

No team is going to trade two guys who can have an impact on an MLB squad for years to come for a 2 month rental with no ROI at the end of the year. And if they do, their GM should be fired. And that's especially true when you're talking about an 18 year old SS who draws comparisons to Asdrubal Cabrera.

[boston22407]

The Red Sox have had "exploratory" talks with the Royals regarding Jeff Francoeur.

The Red Sox appear to be one of Carlos Beltran's main suitors, but if they decide to aim lower, Francoeur could be a part of a pretty decent right field platoon with Josh Reddick. It doesn't seem terribly likely, however.

[AtWork]

Jacobs is too much as he is looking like he may be a big time stud. Bogaerts though is the kind of you who gets dealt as a second fiddle here. Nobody deals a prime time player like Beltran for a fringy lefty straight up. It's always a package. My guess is that Theo is happy enough with the production he should get out of Reddick from here on to forgo dealing away a package he isnt comfortable with.

 

First you try to compare Josh Reddick to Daniel Nava, now you're calling an 18 year old shortstop with a .759 OPS in A "second fiddle". I think my cat might know more about the Red Sox farm system than you.

[AtWork]

Clay Buchholz (back) did not throw a bullpen session Friday, as was previously expected.

Red Sox manager Terry Francona said that he felt fine physically, but just decided to have another day of long-toss. He could finally throw from a mound on either Sunday or Monday, after which we'll get a better idea about his status moving forward.

[boston22407]

According to Buster Olney of ESPN.com, the Yankees called the Rays inquire about right-hander James Shields.

Can't say Brian Cashman doesn't leave any stone unturned. While Shields' name has floated in rumors lately, the Yankees were told that he is not available. Olney presumes that the Rays wouldn't be willing to deal the 29-year-old right-hander to either the Yanks or Red Sox. And we can't blame them for that

[SoxSport]

I dunno. From that Henry quote this morning, it looks like Epstein may just do nothing. Hope not, because when he does nothing mid-season, they don't stay on top. He seems to be in one of his "don't trade the prospects" moods. That atitude, by the way, has been very successful in the past. Lester and Buchholz come to mind.

[SoxSport]

First you try to compare Josh Reddick to Daniel Nava' date=' now you're calling an 18 year old shortstop with a .759 OPS in A "second fiddle". I think my cat might know more about the Red Sox farm system than you.[/quote']

 

That's a compliment. Cats are pretty damn smart!

[SoxSport]

According to ESPN's Jerry Crasnick, the Padres are most focused on moving Heath Bell, Chad Qualls, Aaron Harang and Ryan Ludwick ahead of next Sunday's non-waiver trade deadline.

Noticeably absent from that list is Mike Adams. Although it's not a certainty he will not be dealt, a desperate team could be willing to offer San Diego the huge bounty they are believed to be seeking for their soon-to-be 33-year-old righty, it's looking more and more likely he'll still be with the Padres on August 1 while closer Heath Bell will be elsewhere. If he's still on your team's wire, now is the time to pounce.

 

I think they'll just wait 'till near the deadline when the price will drop for a lot of these guys. Ludwick is certainly a low price possibility.

Getting Bell would be a plum--he's worth prospects. Pap is going to be hellish to sign with Boras. But a few other teams need Bell a lot more...

[AtWork]

I dunno. From that Henry quote this morning' date=' it looks like Epstein may just do nothing. Hope not, because when he does nothing mid-season, they don't stay on top. He seems to be in one of his "don't trade the prospects" moods. That atitude, by the way, has been very successful in the past. Lester and Buchholz come to mind.[/quote']

 

He didn't say the Sox were going to do nothing, he said there wouldn't be any major changes. And there doesn't need to be. Our offense is first in the majors and our weakest position player is Marco Sctuaro who statistically is above average both offensively and defensively for his position. Our defense is 4th in the majors in UZR. Our bullpen is 3rd in the majors in WAR and 6th in FIP. We have a top 3 of our rotation that could match up with anyone when healthy. Overall, there's not a whole lot of room for improvement. If we added an above average 4th starter our only weaknesses would be our 5th starter, our depth of lefty relievers and the lack of a quality righthanded outfielder off the bench.

[AtWork]

That's a compliment. Cats are pretty damn smart!

 

But cats hate baseball, that's a fact.

[SoxSport]

But cats hate baseball' date=' that's a fact.[/quote']

 

I think they hate people, too.

[boston22407]

Jon Paul Morosi of FOXSports.com reports that the Guardians and Pirates are among the teams that have inquired about the availability of Chris Iannetta.

Colorado is willing to consider offers, likely because top prospect Wilin Rosario isn't far away from the majors. Iannetta, 28, is batting .224/.376/.412 with 10 homers and 36 RBI over 288 plate appearances this season. He will make $3.55 million next season with a $5 million club option or $250,000 buyout for 2013. The Red Sox have expressed interest in the past, but Morosi writes that they are satisfied with their catching situation at the moment.

[boston22407]

B.J. Upton told Marc Topkin of the St. Petersburg Times that he has not been traded.

That settles that. Upton was pulled from Friday's game in the eighth inning, but apparently it's just a coincidence. Desmond Jennings is indeed on his way from Triple-A Durham, but it looks like he'll be playing left field.

 

 

Rumor was out that he got traded to the NATS

[iortiz]

Who is still thinking that a big fish could land to Boston?

 

I don't see it anymore.

[Dojji]

Speaking of the Nats, the Red Sox should at least kick the tires on Ian Desmond. He's not a sexy type of player but he's quick and athletic, plays a much better shortstop than anyone we got, and used to hit. He'd make an interesting utility/reclamation guy, and Navarro isn't getting enough at bats for me to think that a top 10 prospect in the Sox system should be playing that role. Desmond could provide the same depth Navarro does and Navarro could go work on his offense in the minors.

[boston22407]

Who is still thinking that a big fish could land to Boston?

 

I don't see it anymore.

 

Not me ,I would like to see just a nice bench bat not a starting role player

[boston22407]

Speaking of the Nats' date=' the Red Sox should at least kick the tires on Ian Desmond. He's not a sexy type of player but he's quick and athletic, plays a much better shortstop than anyone we got, and used to hit. He'd make an interesting utility/reclamation guy, and Navarro isn't getting enough at bats for me to think that a top 10 prospect in the Sox system should be playing that role. Desmond could provide the same depth Navarro does and Navarro could go work on his offense in the minors.[/quote']

 

I would be down for the idea ,Dude has some nice pop to his bat ,I have seen him play a lot living down here in va

[Dojji]

Fair warning, he hasn't hit much this year. He'd be buy low. But he could work out very nicely as a utility guy here and he's got the speed and athleticism you like to see. I could see at least Alcides Escobar out of him, and that would be pretty sweet.

[iortiz]

Not me ' date='I would like to see just a nice bench bat not a starting role player[/quote']

 

Agree.

 

Looking at our lineup today and if Tito doesn't make dumb moves like putting McD hitting 5th or calling his damn 7R rule, this team will be very solid and balanced for the rest of the season and the playoffs.

 

I'm just worry about Buchz' and Johnny's injuries. Seems like they are better; but can they last healthy till October without any issue? That is my concern and that's why I was asking for anonther solid SP (and numbers in that department; 24th in all baseball in QS)

[Dojji]

I was very encouraged when Tito made the right call today. Putting in Reddick against Hernandez instead of Drew -- when JD was one of our best hitters against King Felix over the years -- was a very large sign that Tito gets it and isn't going to let his veteran fetish get in the way of playing an obviously superior hitter.

 

Drew will get into the lineup at times. But this decision by Francona was significant, and it signals that Reddick has successfully pushed Drew out of right field for now, and that good performance is, in fact, rewarded by the Red Sox even setting aside all other reservations and concerns about a player.

[AtWork]

Who is still thinking that a big fish could land to Boston?

 

I don't see it anymore.

 

I never thought we were going to land a big fish and we don't need to. We're on pace to win 100 games with Lester and Buchholz on the DL.

[Dojji]

I think that last decent start by Weiland, and Miller pitching 6 shutout innings, blunted Boston's desperation to the point that anyone who we pick up for the rotation is going to be a #5 type.

[AtWork]

I think that last decent start by Weiland' date=' and Miller pitching 6 shutout innings, blunted Boston's desperation to the point that anyone who we pick up for the rotation is going to be a #5 type.[/quote']

 

That's all we need. Our offense is so damn good that we're winning games where our starters give up 5 or more runs. Just look at Lackey, his ERA is over 6 and he doesn't have a losing record.

[iortiz]

I never thought we were going to land a big fish and we don't need to. We're on pace to win 100 games with Lester and Buchholz on the DL.

 

Yup... I thought that a SP could be a realistic move since the numbers and injuries in our rotation; but even there, I don't see it coming neither.

[Dojji]

That's because of the way Lackey got his ERA. If you take out like his 4 worst starts (I know, I know) the numbers in all the rest of them look like vintage Lackey. So his pattern is pitch all right, get shelled, pitch OK, get REALLY shelled, and so on.

 

I'd rather have a guy who got bombed 1 night and dominated 2 nights, than a guy who surrenred a consistent 4 runs a night. The first guy seems likely to do more winning for you.

[iortiz]

I was very encouraged when Tito made the right call today. Putting in Reddick against Hernandez instead of Drew -- when JD was one of our best hitters against King Felix over the years -- was a very large sign that Tito gets it and isn't going to let his veteran fetish get in the way of playing an obviously superior hitter.

 

Drew will get into the lineup at times. But this decision by Francona was significant, and it signals that Reddick has successfully pushed Drew out of right field for now, and that good performance is, in fact, rewarded by the Red Sox even setting aside all other reservations and concerns about a player.

 

Before the game, Tito said in the press conference that he talked with JD about this and told him that he had to go with the players that could bring more chances to win games for the team, just like he did when Lowrie was on fire, and seems like JD took it in the good way.

 

At least Tito opened his eyes. Now I hope that the Kid keeps rolling. He will.

[example1]

The only reason I am ok with Bogaerts is that he projects as a 3B or a corner OF as he builds strength' date=' and we have Middlebrooks and Vitek logjammed at 3B, and Jacobs, Brentz, etc for OF. But you're right, he's got potential to be a stud. I would feel sick if we had to give him up, [b']but that feeling could be turned if Beltran comes in and helps us win a world series.[/b]

 

Not me.

 

A World Series is a great thing, and is worth a lot in the short term, but it doesn't make me suddenly complacent 5-6 years down the line when a player we could have had is an MVP candidate and the player we trade him for is retired, too injured to play, or completely washed up. Of course, I'm talking more about Hanley than Bogaerts, but who knows what this kid can be. My only real knowledge of him is from the most recent Soxprospects podcast, where he was discussed very highly. In particular they were noting that there were very few kids who go from Dominican Summer League to Greenville at 18 and he is holding his own.

 

I would be speaking differently if we were trading Bogaerts as part of a package for Hanley or Justin Upton or Felix Hernandez or someone who was a longterm solution. A few months of Beltran could end up like the Eric Gagne deal did if he gets injured.

 

The Sox should (and likely would) stick with offers of sold MLB caliber but NOT star caliber players who are closer to the majors but with a lower ceiling.

[iortiz]

That's because of the way Lackey got his ERA. If you take out like his 4 worst starts (I know, I know) the numbers in all the rest of them look like vintage Lackey. So his pattern is pitch all right, get shelled, pitch OK, get REALLY shelled, and so on.

 

I'd rather have a guy who got bombed 1 night and dominated 2 nights, than a guy who surrenred a consistent 4 runs a night. The first guy seems likely to do more winning for you.

 

Hehehe Splits, splits.

 

I hope that once and for all Lackey had put his s*** together and perform as a 80 MiUSD pitcher.

[iortiz]

Not me.

 

A World Series is a great thing, and is worth a lot in the short term, but it doesn't make me suddenly complacent 5-6 years down the line when a player we could have had is an MVP candidate and the player we trade him for is retired, too injured to play, or completely washed up. Of course, I'm talking more about Hanley than Bogaerts, but who knows what this kid can be. My only real knowledge of him is from the most recent Soxprospects podcast, where he was discussed very highly. In particular they were noting that there were very few kids who go from Dominican Summer League to Greenville at 18 and he is holding his own.

 

I would be speaking differently if we were trading Bogaerts as part of a package for Hanley or Justin Upton or Felix Hernandez or someone who was a longterm solution. A few months of Beltran could end up like the Eric Gagne deal did if he gets injured.

 

The Sox should (and likely would) stick with offers of sold MLB caliber but NOT star caliber players who are closer to the majors but with a lower ceiling.

 

+ 1 or Pence, Jimenez, Reyes etc. Hehe

[iortiz]

That's all we need. Our offense is so damn good that we're winning games where our starters give up 5 or more runs. Just look at Lackey' date=' his ERA is over 6 and he doesn't have a losing record.[/quote']

 

If Beckett had been supported that way, he wouldn't have lost any game at this point. Life is unfair sometimes