The Manny Thread

[Flynnatic10]

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=6310125

 

HOF'er or not?

[boston22407]

HOF

[msubulldogs21]

HOF'er or not?

 

No doubt

[Palodios]

Caught for steroids twice. His numbers are good enough, the question is if his drug record will stop him.

 

On another note, daaamn, the Rays offense went from bad to worst.

[SoxSport]

It should be clear by now that he was a steroid user. That will probably keep him out of the HOF.

 

I see the problem of steroids not so much the enhancing of performance short term, but what it does physically to these guys in time. Their leg muscles go to pot. Steroids are a two edged sword. They help in some ways, hurt in other ways. You take steroids for your chronic bronchitis, for example, and you find your eye pressures go up, increasing the chances for glaucoma. You take prednisone for something, it helps, but you can't take much because of severe side effects.

 

On a side note, Pap looks like he is sharp in the 9th against the Yankees. Good to see the team performing well for all those deserving fans at Fenway. Lackey is another story. That guy sucks. He can't throw heat anymore. They are stuck with him for 5 years at $16million?

 

Good win at Fenway.

 

Pedroia clearly is the straw that stirs the Red Sox.

 

Kevin Millar on MLB.com says he is "shocked" that Manny took steroids.

He just said he didn't think Manny would make the HOF.

[suns]

I think he is in the HOF.

[Jasonbay44]

I think he should be a hall of famer but I'm not sure if he will be due to the being linked to steroids and all that. Wether he makes the hall of fame or though, he is going to be remembered as one of the most feared right handed hitters of all time and will always be one of my favorite players of all time.

[Divinity]

I seriously doubt Manny will be elected into the Hall of Fame, nether will Roger Clemens and Barry Bonds when they join the ballot in two years.

 

Voting members of the Baseball Writers' Association of America are relatively united in saying no to players who have been linked to steroids, either through the Mitchell Report, testing or an admission.

[Emmz]

Ramirez is one of the best offensive players any of us will ever see, but his juice use will keep him out of the hall IMO. Incredible player, but just like Bonds and Clemens, they got busted, now they'll pay the price.

[WhiskeyBreath]

See ya later scumbag!

[CoachC.]

No HOF, he tested positive not once, but TWICE

[a700hitter]

There are a lot of guys with the roids issue over their heads as they are considered for the Hall. The one thing on their side is that if one of the known roid users gets in (the first might be ARod), makes the Hall, the floodgates will open and all of the roiders (Manny, Clemens, Bonds, MGwire, Sosa, and Palmiero) will get in.

[CanadianSox]

No HOF' date=' he tested positive not once, but TWICE[/quote']

 

He is the first person to get busted twice is he not? He'd rather retire instead of sitting those 100 games (I believe that is the suspension for getting caught a 2nd time).

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

Yes.

[Dojji]

No. He used to be a lock, but the drugs combined with the attitude problem takes a lot of points off.

[Emmz]

There are a lot of guys with the roids issue over their heads as they are considered for the Hall. The one thing on their side is that if one of the known roid users gets in (the first might be ARod)' date=' makes the Hall, the floodgates will open and all of the roiders (Manny, Clemens, Bonds, MGwire, Sosa, and Palmiero) will get in.[/quote']

 

IMO, Clemens and Bonds are too hated to get into the hall, even more hated than Manny. I've never seen athletes who have as many haters as those two. OJ Simpson killed a couple of people, and doesn't get as much hate as Bonds and Clemens do.

[Youk Of The Nation]

IMO' date=' Clemens and Bonds are too hated to get into the hall, even more hated than Manny. I've never seen athletes who have as many haters as those two. OJ Simpson killed a couple of people, and doesn't get as much hate as Bonds and Clemens do.[/quote']

 

Hey, now...OJ was found not guilty.

[mobifree]

He's in the same boat at McGwire, Bonds and Palmero.

The stats say he is, the writers say he's not.

[BOSOX11]

Manny might as well forget Cooperstown. The only way he is going to get in is to buy an admission ticket, like the rest of us.

[Keeper]

What an embarrassing way to walk away from the game. Never liked him. Wouldn't get my vote for the Hall. Great hitter, but his numbers were clearly inflated.

[ORS]

The trouble with these coversations, IMO, is that the players that are being held out were, for the most part, talented enough to get in without the enhancement. There's also the very large possibilty that their enhancement wasn't too much of an "edge" over the other guy given the pervaisive nature of use throughout the league.

 

To me, players like McGwire, Bonds, Manny, Palmiero, and Clemens are sure fire HOF players without an edge based on their talents. I can understand the writers desire to protect the sanctity of the Hall, but I agree with a700. One of these days, there will be case where the writers crack, one will get in, then the flood gates will open. In all honesty, it's not much of a travesty at all. Most of those riding the flood tide would have made it in anyway, IMO.

[example1]

While I agree in principle, I don't necessarily see guys like McGwire and Sosa as HOF players without the edge of steroids. There are very good hitters in every era who aren't at the caliber needed to get into the Hall. I think Bonds, Manny and Clemens had the tools that probably would have had them as HOF worthy. Bonds and Manny definitely in, but was Clemens in the HOF if he had retired soon after going to Toronto? Would he have had the longevity needed?

 

It just gets really hazy for me. I would much rather that these players get in (and I'm a Manny convert, having watched him for so long, I think he was truly an all-time great) but there were guys who became all-time greats perhaps due to nothing other than their steroid usage like Sosa and maybe McGwire (when was he definitely NOT on steroids? Rookie year? First few years?)

 

I just don't know... McGwire and Sosa seem more suspect to me than Bonds and Manny... but it is completely subjective which just sucks!

[ORS]

McGwire hit 49 as 23 y/o rookie in 1987. He had the goods to get in on his own.

[La Munson]

Manny may get in eventually, they can't not put in everyone related to roids, it's virtually leaving a whole era of baseball out of the hall.

 

I seriously doubt he cares about being put there anyway. I can't even imagine what his speech would be, he just never seems to give a s*** about anything.

[Divinity]

Thats just Manny being Manny

[RedSoxFrank]

Mannys numbers are good enough to put him in the HOF but his drug record will hold him back

[BigPapiEnFuego]

The trouble with these coversations, IMO, is that the players that are being held out were, for the most part, talented enough to get in without the enhancement. There's also the very large possibilty that their enhancement wasn't too much of an "edge" over the other guy given the pervaisive nature of use throughout the league.

 

To me, players like McGwire, Bonds, Manny, Palmiero, and Clemens are sure fire HOF players without an edge based on their talents. I can understand the writers desire to protect the sanctity of the Hall, but I agree with a700. One of these days, there will be case where the writers crack, one will get in, then the flood gates will open. In all honesty, it's not much of a travesty at all. Most of those riding the flood tide would have made it in anyway, IMO.

 

This. This x1000

[RFHCollective]

I was just grieving and decided to post an article documenting the marvoulous, yet complicated career of Manny. I posted it on my blogspot site called the RFH Collective. Please let me know what you think; good, bad, or otherwise. Thanks.

[BornToRun]

He'll get in. I really don't like him though

[rwb]

I just wonder how much he realizes he's ruining (or ruined) a great career. I saw him in many games when he was young as an Indian.

 

To me this is very sad.

 

We used to wonder if he'd be a Red Sox or an Indian in his HOF cap. Probably we'll never know.