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Rafael Soriano (elbow) gave up two runs over 1 1/3 innings Tuesday night in his first minor league rehab appearance with High-A Tampa.

Soriano breezed through a scoreless first inning, but gave up a home run, a single and a sacrifice bunt to open the second. He struck out one and walked none before being pulled. Barring any setbacks, he should rejoin the Yankees bullpen next week, though it's expected that he will be eased back into a late-inning role. The high-price reliever has been sidelined since mid-May with right elbow soreness.

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Martin gift wraps a DP. How long before he's below .200?

 

April - .292/.378/.597

May - .200/.333/.347

June - .185/.274/.241

July - .170/.264/.234

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What a terrible AB by Cano with Teixeira sitting on second. Price threw a fastball up out of the zone and Cano swung and missed. Price threw a fastball even more up and out of the zone and Cano swung and missed. Price threw a fastball even more up and out of the zone and Cano swung and struck out on 3 pitches nowhere near the strike zone. Garcia has 1 ground ball out through 5, time for the Rays to cash in.
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Article's getting blocked at work so it'll have to wait until later. The issue I have with Gardner's value estimate, which is almost entirely derived from his defense, is that he's a centerfielder playing left field. If you took a different rangy centerfielder and put him in left field his defensive numbers would be equally off the charts for that position and inflate his value as well, but he'd still be the same player. Does that make sense at all?
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Couple points.

 

I think that explains why Gardner is so good, but it doesn't take away from how much he contributes to the Yankees. He's still saving all those runs defensively ... the why just doesn't seem to matter all that much when it comes down to evaluating his production. And in terms of WAR, he has to deal with the negative positional adjustment that comes from playing a COF position that CFers don't.

 

The second point is that I don't understand why everyone talks about Gardner as if he's all glove and no bat. Sure, he doesn't drive the ball, but that's not the entire story. He's just not an adequate offensive producer ... I'd say he's a good one. His wOBA last year was .358 (the league average was .321). His wOBA this year is .361 (the league average is .314). Considering the rate at which Brett Gardner reaches base, and then what he does once he gets there, I just don't understand why he is seen as such a negative offensively.

 

EDIT: One more thing. Regardless of whether or not other players could do what Gardner does, the idea of penalizing him because of his ability to play other positions just doesn't make all that much sense. In a way that makes him even more valuable, because of his ability to fill in if Granderson gets injured.

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I understand that most posters here don't see Gardner the way I do. There are probably a few reasons for that (he's a Yankee, he wasn't supposed to be this good, he doesn't hit for power, who cares about defense, defensive stats are unreliable, he's out of position, etc etc). But no matter what metrics you want to use to evaluate Gardner, he always grades out well. He is a tremendous defensive player. He gets on base at a good clip. He runs the bases extremely well. All of these things are irrefutable. So no matter where you stand in this debate, those things can't be ignored, and if they aren't, I'm not sure how he can't be seen as anything but a very good player.
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I understand that most posters here don't see Gardner the way I do. There are probably a few reasons for that (he's a Yankee' date=' he wasn't supposed to be this good, he doesn't hit for power, who cares about defense, defensive stats are unreliable, he's out of position, etc etc). But no matter what metrics you want to use to evaluate Gardner, he always grades out well. He is a tremendous defensive player. He gets on base at a good clip. He runs the bases extremely well. All of these things are irrefutable. So no matter where you stand in this debate, those things can't be ignored, and if they aren't, I'm not sure how he can't be seen as anything but a very good player.[/quote']Okay, he's an excellent 4th OFer.
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Couple points.

 

I think that explains why Gardner is so good, but it doesn't take away from how much he contributes to the Yankees. He's still saving all those runs defensively ... the why just doesn't seem to matter all that much when it comes down to evaluating his production. And in terms of WAR, he has to deal with the negative positional adjustment that comes from playing a COF position that CFers don't.

 

The second point is that I don't understand why everyone talks about Gardner as if he's all glove and no bat. Sure, he doesn't drive the ball, but that's not the entire story. He's just not an adequate offensive producer ... I'd say he's a good one. His wOBA last year was .358 (the league average was .321). His wOBA this year is .361 (the league average is .314). Considering the rate at which Brett Gardner reaches base, and then what he does once he gets there, I just don't understand why he is seen as such a negative offensively.

 

EDIT: One more thing. Regardless of whether or not other players could do what Gardner does, the idea of penalizing him because of his ability to play other positions just doesn't make all that much sense. In a way that makes him even more valuable, because of his ability to fill in if Granderson gets injured.

 

I don't think there's any debate as to the fact that the majority of his value comes from his defense. With average defense he'd be a 2.4 WAR player. I'm not penalizing him for playing multiple positions, I just think his UZR is far to generous in caparison to his positional adjustment in left field.

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The Yankees lose! That bottom of the lineup is a black hole with 4 hitters in a row with a sub-.700 OPS. The Angels are Rays are both 5.5 games back in the Wild Card.

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