Baseball Redraft League Draft and Discussion Thread

[SoxFanForsyth]

I think it's actually quite funny' date=' because I had planned to take 2 other people, but your alternate pick was on my radar. In any case, I was in the middle of sending you a message suggesting that you should have picked him first, because I'd have bet my house that Hellickson would have still been available for your next pick. I certainly wouldn't have taken him with my 2 picks in the interim. [/quote']

 

Trust me, I was extremely torn between the two. The only difference was that I would be 5 picks deep with 1 SP, and an average one at best.

[a700hitter]

You're up a700.

The last two picks were Johan and who?

[italstallianion]

Jeremy Hellickson.

[SoxFanForsyth]

I have a question regarding the bullpen.

 

Do we look at stats like Holds for your set up guy, or is it more ERA/WHIP/K:BB kind of stuff?

 

I ask this because if someone was tempted to sign two closers, and put one as the set up man, he wouldn't get any holds, but would the voting be based on that or not?

[Will617]

I have a question regarding the bullpen.

 

Do we look at stats like Holds for your set up guy, or is it more ERA/WHIP/K:BB kind of stuff?

 

I ask this because if someone was tempted to sign two closers, and put one as the set up man, he wouldn't get any holds, but would the voting be based on that or not?

 

Don't do this man, don't start the closer war. It'll get real ugly real fast.

[SoxFanForsyth]

So if you're not in Oxford, where are you now Italian?

[SoxFanForsyth]

Don't do this man' date=' don't start the closer war. It'll get real ugly real fast.[/quote']

 

Haha. Well I want to be on board with the general consensus if there is one. I've never been here for this league, so I want to see how the voting goes. It ultimately will affect draft selections.

[italstallianion]

I have a question regarding the bullpen.

 

Do we look at stats like Holds for your set up guy, or is it more ERA/WHIP/K:BB kind of stuff?

 

I ask this because if someone was tempted to sign two closers, and put one as the set up man, he wouldn't get any holds, but would the voting be based on that or not?

 

 

It's a combination of both. For example, it's not like fantasy sports where you have to win specific categories, so you won't have to worry about holds, but while ERA/WHIP/K:BB would be important for a bullpen, it wouldn't be a wise strategy to build your bullpen entirely out of closers. First off, that would likely run you dry in salary, but most closers want to be closers and nothing else, so you'd have a tough time getting a lot of those closers to "accept" bullpen roles.

 

That said, it'd be wise to delegate your setup/middle relief roles to actual setup and middle relief players. Putting a closer at middle relief may be tantamount to putting a catcher in the outfield.

[yankees228]

I have a question regarding the bullpen.

 

Do we look at stats like Holds for your set up guy, or is it more ERA/WHIP/K:BB kind of stuff?

 

I ask this because if someone was tempted to sign two closers, and put one as the set up man, he wouldn't get any holds, but would the voting be based on that or not?

 

I can't speak for Dipre and Ital, but saves and holds are such useless statistics that I doubt they'd be considered.

[italstallianion]

So if you're not in Oxford' date=' where are you now Italian?[/quote']

 

 

I go back and forth between New England and the UK. Yesterday I was visiting a friend in MA, and right now I'm in CT.

[a700hitter]

Stephen Drew ($3,400,000)

[italstallianion]

Thanks for making your pick A700. WhiskeyBreath is up.

[yankees228]

It's a combination of both. For example, it's not like fantasy sports where you have to win specific categories, so you won't have to worry about holds, but while ERA/WHIP/K:BB would be important for a bullpen, it wouldn't be a wise strategy to build your bullpen entirely out of closers. First off, that would likely run you dry in salary, but most closers want to be closers and nothing else, so you'd have a tough time getting a lot of those closers to "accept" bullpen roles.

 

That said, it'd be wise to delegate your setup/middle relief roles to actual setup and middle relief players. Putting a closer at middle relief may be tantamount to putting a catcher in the outfield.

 

How a player may or may not feel is going to be considered in the voting?

[yankees228]

Stephen Drew ($3' date='400,000)[/quote']

 

Nice pick a700. I figured he would be the next SS off the board, and if he was still available when my turn came around, I likely would have selected him.

[WhiskeyBreath]

Jose Reyes - SS ($9M)

[a700hitter]

Nice pick a700. I figured he would be the next SS off the board' date=' and if he was still available when my turn came around, I likely would have selected him.[/quote']Thanks. There are lots of like-minded people drafting which makes it a real challenge.

[SoxFanForsyth]

Thanks. There are lots of like-minded people drafting which makes it a real challenge.

 

Yeah definitely. In all my other fantasy drafts, first off there is no salary cap. Plus, there's always a couple idiots who make horrifying picks in early rounds that you can feast on. Not here, though.

 

Except some jackass took CJ Wilson in the 4th. :wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf:

[italstallianion]

Not to mention that fantasy drafts don't count defense, or nearly as strict positional alignment.

[italstallianion]

Anyway, Jacoby Ellsbury is now up.

[italstallianion]

How a player may or may not feel is going to be considered in the voting?

 

 

That's not what I meant. What I meant was that if a player (such as a closer) doesn't want to be a setup man or a middle reliever for their real team, and only wants to close, then there might be something against drafting him if you've already drafted a closer. My point was that for many reasons, it wouldn't be wise to build your bullpen using a bunch of closers. Salary, ego, general ineffectiveness outside of the closer role etc.

[yankees228]

That's not what I meant. What I meant was that if a player (such as a closer) doesn't want to be a setup man or a middle reliever for their real team' date=' and only wants to close, then there might be something against drafting him if you've already drafted a closer. My point was that for many reasons, it wouldn't be wise to build your bullpen using a bunch of closers. Salary, ego, general ineffectiveness outside of the closer role etc.[/quote']

 

OK, but I'm still a little bit confused. Hypothetically, lets say I have two relievers on my team who have only closed during their careers (or, at least have only closed recently). We don't really know how the one who I don't make my closer will feel about his role, but will his potential unhappiness count against me?

[italstallianion]

OK' date=' but I'm still a little bit confused. Hypothetically, lets say I have two relievers on my team who have only closed during their careers (or, at least have only closed recently). We don't really know how the one who I don't make my closer will feel about his role, but will his potential unhappiness count against me?[/quote']

 

 

You'd get the benefit of the doubt. So if you don't know, then it wouldn't hurt you. But if the player has thrown a tantrum on his team saying "F*** you everybody, I'm not f***** being a set up man" or something to that nature (my apologies for the poor example) then yes, it would be a factor if you then put said player into said role.

 

And when I say "would be a factor" I'm not saying that it would decide a matchup. It could be used as rationale here and there in an explanation, but something like that wouldn't be the deciding factor.

[yankees228]

You'd get the benefit of the doubt. So if you don't know, then it wouldn't hurt you. But if the player has thrown a tantrum on his team saying "F*** you everybody, I'm not f***** being a set up man" or something to that nature (my apologies for the poor example) then yes, it would be a factor if you then put said player into said role.

 

And when I say "would be a factor" I'm not saying that it would decide a matchup. It could be used as rationale here and there in an explanation, but something like that wouldn't be the deciding factor.

 

Fair enough. Thanks for the clarification.

[italstallianion]

A better example would be someone like Pat Burrell. He did HORRIBLE in Tampa Bay and subsequently said that he hated DH'ing, and he did well before and after Tampa Bay in the National League (Philly and San Fran). So if someone drafts him and puts him at DH, that might pose a problem.

[yankees228]

A better example would be someone like Pat Burrell. He did HORRIBLE in Tampa Bay and subsequently said that he hated DH'ing' date=' and he did well before and after Tampa Bay in the National League (Philly and San Fran). So if someone drafts him and puts him at DH, that might pose a problem.[/quote']

 

Yup, makes sense. Thanks.

[italstallianion]

Not to mention the fact that not everyone has the same criteria. I'm the only one here that thinks the way that I do, so just because I think of something, doesn't mean that anyone else will. It's not like there's a grading rubric where anyone can fill it out to determine who the best team is.

 

 

Edit: So in summation, don't worry about it.

[italstallianion]

By the way, has anyone seen Jacoby Ellsbury around here recently?

[yankees228]

Yeah, I should have made it clear that I wasn't looking for any kind of official ruling, but rather your opinion.

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

1B Paul Konerko

will post salary when i wake up tomorrow

 

didn't see him on the chart

[italstallianion]

I saw him at 12 million on Cot's.