Moss to Vikings?

[Spudboy]

Lol' date=' why don't we just give you Adrian Peterson too. Moss is good, but Rice is better. Harvin is our slot option. Moss wanted out, that's why he came cheap.[/quote']

 

Well, yeah.

 

Moss was disgruntled. The Pats wanted him gone. Not exactly bargaining from a position of strength. Kind of odd that he's back with the Vikings, though.

[Dojji]

The short game, a good O-line, a bit of run to keep the defense off Brady, and excellent special teams play combined with a defense that limits the opponents to the same kind of game (which they're generally less suited for) is fundamental Patriots football. Moss is a luxury to that style of play, and if he starts bringing in negatives, he becomes a luxury the Patriots can do without.

 

Brady isn't a great deep ball thrower anyway, he's a much, much better short passer. His arm is a touch below average in terms of length and strength, but he's pinpoint accurate within 15 yards or so, really quick with his feet, and even faster with his head, only Peyton Manning makes the right decision consistently on the first look nearly as well as Tom Brady does. That's not a guy that's going to be content to sit in the pocket waiting for a guy to run a long route and get open very often, especially not with Welker and Faulk open underneath for a first down to move the chains.

 

Sometimes it's less important to be competitive at everything than it is to make sure you're playng your game, and a guy can be a stupendous player, if he doesn't play Patriots football he needs to not be a Patriot. If the decision is that Moss isn't a Patriots' style player and that what he brings isn't worth sacrificing that style for anymore, then you move him.

[SCM33]

Moss took them away from gave them their success. He made them play away from their strengths.

 

Dojji, why dont you post at talkpats?

[jacksonianmarch]

Moss is going to average 90 yards per game with Minnesota and be Favre's binky. This move is going to get the Vikings back to the playoffs

[SCM33]

Moss is going to average 90 yards per game with Minnesota and be Favre's binky. This move is going to get the Vikings back to the playoffs

 

And that changes the fact he would have been a cancer to this team? Same tired act, new city.

 

GREAT move.

 

See ya later Randy.

 

PS: If MIN doesnt give him an extension, they can expect his ******** to continue. You think he wanted to be traded? NO, he wanted a contract for next season in the fear of a lockout. HIS ******** will continue until he gets a deal.

[boston22407]

The short game, a good O-line, a bit of run to keep the defense off Brady, and excellent special teams play combined with a defense that limits the opponents to the same kind of game (which they're generally less suited for) is fundamental Patriots football. Moss is a luxury to that style of play, and if he starts bringing in negatives, he becomes a luxury the Patriots can do without.

 

Brady isn't a great deep ball thrower anyway, he's a much, much better short passer. His arm is a touch below average in terms of length and strength, but he's pinpoint accurate within 15 yards or so, really quick with his feet, and even faster with his head, only Peyton Manning makes the right decision consistently on the first look nearly as well as Tom Brady does. That's not a guy that's going to be content to sit in the pocket waiting for a guy to run a long route and get open very often, especially not with Welker and Faulk open underneath for a first down to move the chains.

 

Sometimes it's less important to be competitive at everything than it is to make sure you're playng your game, and a guy can be a stupendous player, if he doesn't play Patriots football he needs to not be a Patriot. If the decision is that Moss isn't a Patriots' style player and that what he brings isn't worth sacrificing that style for anymore, then you move him.

 

nice post man . you should be over at talk pats

1.thing tho maybe switch faulk for woodhead ???

[Emmz]

Dude, you're calling it the wise decision solely based on how he's acted because of his contract. You guys lost a valuable player, he fits in very well with the Vikings. I love how everyone's talking about Favre's picks, like Sidney Rice didn't save his ass from about 2x as many picks last season. Having options does that for you.

[Keeper]

Short term, Moss could be a godsend for the Vikings. Really depends on how motivated he is...

[Emmz]

Very much agreed. I think this helps them, but like I've said to all the fans that are getting all boned up over this, there's still some doubt, at least from me. Our O-Line really, really sucks. I still haven't seen enough Favre to know if he's just missing one of the elite receiver in the NFL, or if he's actually regressed from his last season, which I will admit was the product of having a massive arsenal of weapon to choose from. However, that arsenal is back, and when Rice returns, that arsenal will have improved pretty dramatically. We'll see, though.

[boston22407]

i dont know about the whole arsenal thing is back , they showed stuff on NFL network on how vikings wr dropping easy balls.if anybody is going to be happy is AP ,rice i dont know if he plays this year with the hip s***. the o-line sucks and moss wont help with that at all .so it will be fun to see what happens

[SCM33]

Dude' date=' you're calling it the wise decision solely based on how he's acted because of his contract. You guys lost a valuable player, he fits in very well with the Vikings. I love how everyone's talking about Favre's picks, like Sidney Rice didn't save his ass from about 2x as many picks last season. Having options does that for you.[/quote']

 

Valuable piece?

 

Yeah when he decided to play.

 

Good riddance.

 

He did not fit in to our offensive scheme. 07 was nice, but we didnt win s***.

 

Once a bad apple, always a bad apple. Cant believe Minnesota wants to bring back a guy they were once happy to get rid of.

 

BTW, you will not win anything with Favre. Just saying.....

[Emmz]

You just sound like an immature, simple-minded child when you say this crap. Just saying...

[SCM33]

You just sound like an immature' date=' simple-minded child when you say this crap. Just saying...[/quote']

 

Truth hurts sometimes, sorry.

[yrtb]

Whatever people say about Moss not fitting into the plan or being a locker room cancer, what did Tom Brady do when Moss was "mouthing off"? He stuck behind him. He knows that the Patriots are a better team with Randy Moss on the team. Welker is not going to open nearly as often anymore. Long term maybe its a good move, but short term it's terrible.

 

Great move for the Vikings, this will win them a playoff spot IMO. Favre now has 2 elite targets when Rice comes back and Harvin as a nice slot

[SCM33]

Whatever people say about Moss not fitting into the plan or being a locker room cancer, what did Tom Brady do when Moss was "mouthing off"? He stuck behind him. He knows that the Patriots are a better team with Randy Moss on the team. Welker is not going to open nearly as often anymore. Long term maybe its a good move, but short term it's terrible.

 

Great move for the Vikings, this will win them a playoff spot IMO. Favre now has 2 elite targets when Rice comes back and Harvin as a nice slot

 

How did Troy Brown get open then? He essentially did the same thing Welker does.

 

s***, we dont have David Patten to run those deep routes, were screwed.

 

Welker will get open. We can play action now, we can throw to 3 TE's, we can throw to Edelman, we can throw to Tate. We can run a little more now. We can focus more on what made us a dynasty in the first place by doing the simple things on offense. Ground and pound, time of possession, 3rd and short downs as well as high percentage passing is the formula we used in the past. Maybe it is time to go back there.

 

What did you expect Brady to do when Randy mouthed off? Throw him under the bus?

 

They probably weren't going to win the super bowl anyway. This changes nothing. If anything the "life without Randy Moss" experiment got a 12 week head start.

 

Are the Vikings better? yeah they are....but it doesnt change the fact that the Moss issue in NE was only going to get worse before it got better.

[YanksHater213]

Valuable piece?

 

Yeah when he decided to play.

 

Good riddance.

 

He did not fit in to our offensive scheme. 07 was nice, but we didnt win s***.

 

Once a bad apple, always a bad apple. Cant believe Minnesota wants to bring back a guy they were once happy to get rid of.

 

BTW, you will not win anything with Favre. Just saying.....

 

yh213 agrees with this post.

[Spudboy]

Moss checked out on the plane ride home from Miami. Refusing to speak to your boss is a recipe for termination. He forced his way out of town. Sound familiar?

 

Great athlete, but see ya!

[Emmz]

Truth hurts sometimes' date=' sorry.[/quote']

 

Lol, I've been the only one of us who's shown any signs of being objective. It really doesn't matter much what you have to say at this point though, your argument is filled with hate and ignorance.

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

Lol' date=' I've been the only one of us who's shown any signs of being objective. It really doesn't matter much what you have to say at this point though, [b']your argument is filled with hate and ignorance.[/b]

 

I thought I was the only one who saw this.

[Emmz]

All it really is, is saying Moss sucks, I hate him, he's a cancer, good riddance, by the way Brett Favre sucks.

[TheKilo]

I hate hate hate when Pate fans use the "we won Super Bowls" wiu Patten/Btown/Branch as our #1 WR....you did that when you had five or six HoF caliber players on defense. How anyone can justify this as a good move long or short term for the Pats is mind boggling. The Pats would receive the same compensation (a 3rd) if he left via FA.

[Dojji]

Then the Patriots clearly felt he'd be a net negative presence from now to the end of the season. I'm hard pressed to disagree with them

[Emmz]

What are you talking about? You think Tom Brady, Wes Welker, everyone else on offense, is saying this crap? Moss was key to the offense. For one, to dismiss him as "ineffective" through 4 games is absolutely ridiculous. That's comparable to Gom's argument that Matt Holliday can't hit the inside fastball because of one series in the postseason.

 

Remember how stupid he looked?

 

Randy Moss does stretch the field. Like I said, whether it be that he's getting lots of deep passes, or being used as a decoy, he's a key piece to the Patriots offense. Like Kilo said, they don't have the brick wall defense they used to have, they've been an offensive team for the past 3 seasons for the most part.

 

Btw, he's had 1k yards and 10+ TDs the past three seasons with the Pats. Don't know how you can compare 4 games to 3 seasons. Just saying.

[redsoxrules]

Moss lead the leauge with 13 TD receptions last year and also had over 1200 yards receiving .

 

now, to all the pats fans that say moss played when he wanted to .....

 

 

how the f*** is that a bad year ?

 

its so f***ing ironic how all pats fan were excited when he was first brought in here and now the total opposite

[Palodios]

Yes, he is a good decoy, and yes, he makes big plays against mediocre teams. But elite teams are going to have an answer for him defensively. The game against the Jets is a perfect example-- Sure he caught a touchdown pass, but Tom threw two interceptions while trying to get to him, very likely because Moss demanded to be thrown to. When a player's ego becomes more important than the team, how on earth would you expect BB to keep the guy around? Being late for practice, complaining about his treatment in press conferences, confrontations in the locker room and on the plane ride... it was time.

 

It seems almost as if having Moss around has caused the defense to get lethargic because they feel like they don't need to play well, just good enough so the Patriot offense can finish it off. The offense is still going to be very very good, but now the defense is going to know that it actually needs to perform before this team will get anywhere.

[TheKilo]

Pats fans cant have it both ways - you can't say that Belichick is a genius and a great coach for being able to turn around "head cases" (hello Corey Dillon) and then in the same breath laud him for shipping Moss out of town for nothing . NOTHING. I know the 3rd is a 2011 instead of a 2012 but the compensation would be the same if he left via FA.

 

For a Pats team that has two firsts, two seconds, and two fourths in the next draft, you cant tell Me the extra third is worth 12+ more games of Randy Moss. It's an argument you can't make unless you're drunk off the BB kool-aid

[TheKilo]

Yes' date=' he is a good decoy, and yes, he makes big plays against mediocre teams. But elite teams are going to have an answer for him defensively. The game against the Jets is a perfect example-- Sure he caught a touchdown pass, but Tom threw two interceptions while trying to get to him, very likely because Moss [i']demanded[/i] to be thrown to. When a player's ego becomes more important than the team, how on earth would you expect BB to keep the guy around? Being late for practice, complaining about his treatment in press conferences, confrontations in the locker room and on the plane ride... it was time.

 

It seems almost as if having Moss around has caused the defense to get lethargic because they feel like they don't need to play well, just good enough so the Patriot offense can finish it off. The offense is still going to be very very good, but now the defense is going to know that it actually needs to perform before this team will get anywhere.

 

Is this post serious? Randy Moss made the defense play poorly?

[Emmz]

Yes' date=' he is a good decoy, and yes, he makes big plays against mediocre teams. But elite teams are going to have an answer for him defensively. The game against the Jets is a perfect example-- Sure he caught a touchdown pass, but Tom threw two interceptions while trying to get to him, very likely because Moss [i']demanded[/i] to be thrown to. When a player's ego becomes more important than the team, how on earth would you expect BB to keep the guy around? Being late for practice, complaining about his treatment in press conferences, confrontations in the locker room and on the plane ride... it was time.

 

It seems almost as if having Moss around has caused the defense to get lethargic because they feel like they don't need to play well, just good enough so the Patriot offense can finish it off. The offense is still going to be very very good, but now the defense is going to know that it actually needs to perform before this team will get anywhere.

 

Very very good? Where do you get that from? The Pats offense lost their top receiver. Sugarcoat it all you want, the Pats jobbed themselves in this one.

[mvp 78]

Pats fans cant have it both ways - you can't say that Belichick is a genius and a great coach for being able to turn around "head cases" (hello Corey Dillon) and then in the same breath laud him for shipping Moss out of town for nothing . NOTHING. I know the 3rd is a 2011 instead of a 2012 but the compensation would be the same if he left via FA.

 

For a Pats team that has two firsts, two seconds, and two fourths in the next draft, you cant tell Me the extra third is worth 12+ more games of Randy Moss. It's an argument you can't make unless you're drunk off the BB kool-aid

 

The compensation would be a 5th rounder and only if the Pats didn't pick a FA up. That's how I think it works, but could be wrong.

[mvp 78]

Very very good? Where do you get that from? The Pats offense lost their top receiver. Sugarcoat it all you want' date=' the Pats jobbed themselves in this one.[/quote']

 

Moss jobbed them by forcing their hand for not extending his contract. Same as Mankins. I'm not mad at either of them. Hold outs are lame, but the ineptness of the players union that can get guaranteed contracts is at fault here.