John Henry bids for Liverpool FC

[redriz]

Originally Posted by denverbrian :

Liverpool appologized for both incidents that were reported. You can't deny that either of them happened regardless of what newspaper reported it.

 

If not Hillsborough/Heysel, to which two incidents are you referring ?

[SlasherB]

My Mum is not far from Boston - Pensicola. She has relatives in the USA and when she found out that she can fly there she said that she'd be over soon. I would like to get to know the Red Socks better and pehaps some of our fans could come over and share some time together. I've got some VHS tapes somewhere of some American games, I could bring them too.

 

Anyway, great that we'll be good mates soon and look forward to a long association. Best thing is that when we go travelling the people around the world will immediately connect our club with yours. Splendid stuff.

 

Cheers.

 

RG

 

Spiffing old Boy, just a Spiffing darn post!!!!

Tally Ho!!

 

[Streetlife]

Manc fans posting on here is funny people hate what they fear.

[The 13th Man]

Hi everyone, Liverpool fan here, just want to say looking forward to having the redsax team on our siide. mayby this means redsox team will take a back seat for a few years whilst the Liverpool franchise is being build, anyway as long as they make Liverpool the greatest sporting team in the world than thats all that matters

[Redguard]

Spiffing old Boy, just a Spiffing darn post!!!!

Tally Ho!!

 

 

Actually mate, I meant to say that she's since moved over here. She likes the local beer and finds the houses quite quaint - "neat" she says. She likes Blackpool Football Club and the seaside - donkeys and rock. Now she lives in Merseyside. I took her to a Castle once and she thought that it was 'awesome.' She loves Liverpool though - friendly people and great humour. She even started to make Scouse when we were kids. She loves the idea of us being associated with the Red Sox - she pulled me up on the spelling as over here we say 'socks.' In America I think they call them stockings, though I'm not sure - it can get confusing.

 

Big wave to you Slasher mate.......

 

:thumbsup:

[Dojji]

Cheers' date=' those who have joined mostly just want to know what NESV have done for the Red Sox. There'll always be different opinions and it would be nice to see how die hard Red Sox fans view the ownership. Unfortunately there's also a lot of mistruths (don't think that's a word) about LFC, and whilst I'd never ignore some of the unsavoury elements of our support or the legacy of Heysel, there's two sides to every story.[/quote']

 

Well, to answer your question, then, sir, what NESV has done for the Red Sox is restore one of the oldest and most historic franchises in the history of a baseball to a glory she had not seen in 86 years with a World Series win in 2004, and then did it again 3 years later in 2007. Before that the Red Sox hadn't won it all since 1917, we'd had good clubs but had never managed to seal the deal. We were a bit of a joke for that reason.

 

Not only that, but they're filling Fenway Park every night for most of their tenure, and the Red Sox have become a national and even (thanks in part to the signing of famous Japanese pitcher Daisuke Matsuzaka) an international brand under their watch. So in terms of both prestige and on-field success the turnaround of the Red Sox has been remarkable under Henry's ownership. And if there's a bit of a black miasma hanging over your franchise that makes you feel defensive, not to worry, we had that too, not just Babe Ruth's "curse" but also the stench of racism from a generation ago, back when the Red Sox were among the last teams in baseball, possibly the very last of all, to integrate players of color

 

A decade ago the Red Sox were a midmarket franchise with a few talented players but nowhere near enough to make a run at anything meaningful more than once in awhile. Henry brought in Theo Epstein who brought the player development system up to date and in some senses beyond, was very aggressive in the draft and promoted existing prospects such as Kevin Youkilis who is now a key franchise player along with the players he himself has drafted and developed, such as Clay Buchholz, Jon Lester, Dustin Pedroia and Jacoby Ellsbury. These decisions were Epstein's, but the decision to hang the franchise on Epstein was Henry's, and it turned out to be a brilliant one. He hasn't exactly run the team with one hand on his wallet either, and team payroll has about trebled since he came on.

 

I would expect him to do the same or an appropriate equivalent for Liverpool FC, bring in the best British football mind he could find, and trust him to run the day-to-day operations, and do his work in the area of cleaning up the team's presentation and what it makes of itself to the world, if that makes any sense to you.

 

If he carries that emphasis into Liverpool, what you can expect to see him try to do is clean house, restore respectability, and try to build from the fundamentals of your sport, develop players while they're young and cheap, and base his decisions on the word of the best advisers and scouts he can find. It'll take him a little while to find his feet, but if he gets the team and finds a good head coach/GM/whatever you guys call the person who handles personnel decisions for a team, he'll do his part and you'll have yourself a good sports franchise.

[Rich Boris]

@Liverpool

 

How utterly predictable.

 

I'm a Red Sox fan. I also follow Aston Villa - a club proud of it's American connection - not that it has anything to do with anything...

 

Believe you me, as a Sox fan I would be totally outraged if we were to be connected in anyway to Liverpool football club. I urge any Sox fans to look at the anti-American hatred that this club has been spurting out over the past few years.

 

It has NOT been Anti-American hatred. It has been peaceful protests against our owners (who happen to be American) that have had over 20,000 people marching without one single arrest. A very small minority of supporters (less than 10) burned an American flag, once. It was widely condemned at the time and has not been repeated since. Unfortunately feelings have been running high - but that's what happens when your beloved club is bankrupted by benevolent owners who broke promises, lied to supporters, and plunged the most successful English Football Club of all time into a crises that threatened the club's very existence.

 

If the Sox were to kook up with Liverpool it would totally destabilize our progress this past decade. We would be signing ourselves up to bailing out a sports club, deep in cancer, looking for a quick fix.

 

We are not looking for a quick fix. If you understood the issues at hand you would not claim that either. Liverpool Football Club is highly profitable; it is the interest repayments on the debt that are killing the club. Furthermore the club does not need a massive injection of cash to be spent on new players - LFC had more players at the World Cup than any other English Club.

 

Liverpool's suppoters have been harrassing their current owners for two years now, because things haven't been going their way. If Henry offers no quick fix do we want them to plague him, too? No. As I say, Liverpool are a club with many, many problems - if we bail them out those problems will simply spread over to us.

 

Because things aren't going our way? that's a terribly ignorant thing to say. Read up on why the owners are so hated, and you should then surely rephrase that sentence. There is no sound reasoning why Liverpool's problems should affect the Red Sox. This is pure scaremongering on your part.

 

No offence "Liverpool", but the Sox are a genuinely legendary sporting institution built on fair play. Your club has a history of hysteria, violence, arrogance and anti-American xenophobia. The Sox should steer WELL clear.

 

Hysteria? What are you on about? That we have petitioned far and wide to rid our club of the worst owners in over 100 years of history?

 

Violence? Most English Football Clubs have a history of violence. Hooliganism was rife in the 1980's in English Football. LFC are no better or no worse than any other English Club. The Heysel tragedy is a black mark on our souls, yes, but the club have fostered and built upon relationships with Juventus and Italian Football since then. Over 20,000 people protesting against our owners and not one single arrest - where's the violence?

 

Arrogant? LFC have won 5 European Cups, 18 League Championships, LFC are the most successful club in England, so we have every right to demand that our club competes with the best.

 

Anti-American xenophobia? Claptrap. Anti Gillette & Hicks yes. but stop being so sensationalist.

 

LFC are one of the most admired clubs around the world. Our supporters are far and wide in the millions, and our matchgoing supporters are renowned for supporting the team through thick and thin, for applauding the opposition when we are beaten, for being patient and loyal with our players, and for being behind many good causes, such as the Free Michael Shields Campaign, the Hillsborough Justice Campaign etc. LFC are one of the biggest clubs in the world, albeit a club currently in crises because of it's parasitic (and outgoing) owners.

 

Lastly it looks like the Red Sox aren't staying well clear, so get used to it. :harhar:

[superjay]

I'm sorry for bringing this up now.

 

I think its astounding that there are still lies about hilsborough but as usual people read what they want to read and don't bother to actually search out the facts of the matter, like the taylor report.

 

Seems like where ever you go any sporting institutions will have their own Jibbos or Denverbrians. Brainless idiots who ruin the game for everyone. Its disgusting really. As for the flag burning, again we have our idiots who think they are being clever when all they do is embarrass us and offend the wrong people. Oh and Denverbrian the so called "excrement throwing" was supposedly coming from the section where my family and I were sat...... Maybe you should believe somebody that was actually there rather than read the sun which has a vendetta and a history of lies about us, as for your figures about the spending you need to check your facts again.

Perhaps check out lfchistory.net?

 

Anyway from what I've been reading is that NESV are something of a rarity these days, a owner who knows and believes in tradition and morals of a club.

[SlasherB]

Actually mate, I meant to say that she's since moved over here. She likes the local beer and finds the houses quite quaint - "neat" she says. She likes Blackpool Football Club and the seaside - donkeys and rock. Now she lives in Merseyside. I took her to a Castle once and she thought that it was 'awesome.' She loves Liverpool though - friendly people and great humour. She even started to make Scouse when we were kids. She loves the idea of us being associated with the Red Sox - she pulled me up on the spelling as over here we say 'socks.' In America I think they call them stockings, though I'm not sure - it can get confusing.

 

Big wave to you Slasher mate.......

 

:thumbsup:

 

What would I do without your humor!

Spot on, Blackpool Rock. Devil-ishly addicting!

 

[SlasherB]

Well, to answer your question, then, sir, what NESV has done for the Red Sox is restore one of the oldest and most historic franchises in the history of a baseball to a glory she had not seen in 86 years with a World Series win in 2004, and then did it again 3 years later in 2007. Before that the Red Sox hadn't won it all since 1917, we'd had good clubs but had never managed to seal the deal. We were a bit of a joke for that reason.

 

Not only that, but they're filling Fenway Park every night for most of their tenure, and the Red Sox have become a national and even (thanks in part to the signing of famous Japanese pitcher Daisuke Matsuzaka) an international brand under their watch. So in terms of both prestige and on-field success the turnaround of the Red Sox has been remarkable under Henry's ownership. And if there's a bit of a black miasma hanging over your franchise that makes you feel defensive, not to worry, we had that too, not just Babe Ruth's "curse" but also the stench of racism from a generation ago, back when the Red Sox were among the last teams in baseball, possibly the very last of all, to integrate players of color

 

A decade ago the Red Sox were a midmarket franchise with a few talented players but nowhere near enough to make a run at anything meaningful more than once in awhile. Henry brought in Theo Epstein who brought the player development system up to date and in some senses beyond, was very aggressive in the draft and promoted existing prospects such as Kevin Youkilis who is now a key franchise player along with the players he himself has drafted and developed, such as Clay Buchholz, Jon Lester, Dustin Pedroia and Jacoby Ellsbury. He hasn't exactly run the team with one hand on his wallet either, and team payroll has about trebled since he came on. These decisions were Epstein's, but the decision to hang the franchise on Epstein was Henry's, and it turned out to be a brilliant one.

 

I would expect him to do the same or an appropriate equivalent for Liverpool FC, bring in the best British football mind he could find, and trust him to run the day-to-day operations, and do his work in the area of cleaning up the team's presentation and what it makes of itself to the world, if that makes any sense to you.

 

If he carries that emphasis into Liverpool, what you can expect to see him try to do is clean house, restore respectability, and try to build from the fundamentals of your sport, develop players while they're young and cheap, and base his decisions on the word of the best advisers and scouts he can find. It'll take him a little while to find his feet, but if he gets the team and finds a good head coach/GM/whatever you guys call the person who handles personnel decisions for a team, he'll do his part and you'll have yourself a good sports franchise.

 

EXCELLENT Post!!!! Agree totally!

[Rich Boris]

I'm sorry for bringing this up now.

 

I think its astounding that there are still lies about hilsborough but as usual people read what they want to read and don't bother to actually search out the facts of the matter, like the taylor report.

 

Seems like where ever you go any sporting institutions will have their own Jibbos or Denverbrians. Brainless idiots who ruin the game for everyone. Its disgusting really. As for the flag burning, again we have our idiots who think they are being clever when all they do is embarrass us and offend the wrong people. Oh and Denverbrian the so called "excrement throwing" was supposedly coming from the section where my family and I were sat...... Maybe you should believe somebody that was actually there rather than read the sun which has a vendetta and a history of lies about us, as for your figures about the spending you need to check your facts again.

Perhaps check out lfchistory.net?

 

Anyway from what I've been reading is that NESV are something of a rarity these days, a owner who knows and believes in tradition and morals of a club.

 

There's no point going over the Hillsborough thing again - it is only ignorant people who would even question the events of that tragic day. Suffice to say there will always be a minority who will try and twist events to somehow shift blame onto Liverpool FC.

 

This I hope is completely 100% accurate. Can any RedSox posters here tell me one thing; I have read that Henry can be "clumsy with the media" - any idea what this means?

[superjay]

Well, to answer your question, then, sir, what NESV has done for the Red Sox is restore one of the oldest and most historic franchises in the history of a baseball to a glory she had not seen in 86 years with a World Series win in 2004, and then did it again 3 years later in 2007. Before that the Red Sox hadn't won it all since 1917, we'd had good clubs but had never managed to seal the deal. We were a bit of a joke for that reason.

 

Not only that, but they're filling Fenway Park every night for most of their tenure, and the Red Sox have become a national and even (thanks in part to the signing of famous Japanese pitcher Daisuke Matsuzaka) an international brand under their watch. So in terms of both prestige and on-field success the turnaround of the Red Sox has been remarkable under Henry's ownership. And if there's a bit of a black miasma hanging over your franchise that makes you feel defensive, not to worry, we had that too, not just Babe Ruth's "curse" but also the stench of racism from a generation ago, back when the Red Sox were among the last teams in baseball, possibly the very last of all, to integrate players of color

 

A decade ago the Red Sox were a midmarket franchise with a few talented players but nowhere near enough to make a run at anything meaningful more than once in awhile. Henry brought in Theo Epstein who brought the player development system up to date and in some senses beyond, was very aggressive in the draft and promoted existing prospects such as Kevin Youkilis who is now a key franchise player along with the players he himself has drafted and developed, such as Clay Buchholz, Jon Lester, Dustin Pedroia and Jacoby Ellsbury. These decisions were Epstein's, but the decision to hang the franchise on Epstein was Henry's, and it turned out to be a brilliant one. He hasn't exactly run the team with one hand on his wallet either, and team payroll has about trebled since he came on.

 

I would expect him to do the same or an appropriate equivalent for Liverpool FC, bring in the best British football mind he could find, and trust him to run the day-to-day operations, and do his work in the area of cleaning up the team's presentation and what it makes of itself to the world, if that makes any sense to you.

 

If he carries that emphasis into Liverpool, what you can expect to see him try to do is clean house, restore respectability, and try to build from the fundamentals of your sport, develop players while they're young and cheap, and base his decisions on the word of the best advisers and scouts he can find. It'll take him a little while to find his feet, but if he gets the team and finds a good head coach/GM/whatever you guys call the person who handles personnel decisions for a team, he'll do his part and you'll have yourself a good sports franchise.

 

Thanks for that mate.....

[Liverpool]

Well, to answer your question, then, sir, what NESV has done for the Red Sox is restore one of the oldest and most historic franchises in the history of a baseball to a glory she had not seen in 86 years with a World Series win in 2004, and then did it again 3 years later in 2007. Before that the Red Sox hadn't won it all since 1917, we'd had good clubs but had never managed to seal the deal. We were a bit of a joke for that reason.

 

Not only that, but they're filling Fenway Park every night for most of their tenure, and the Red Sox have become a national and even (thanks in part to the signing of famous Japanese pitcher Daisuke Matsuzaka) an international brand under their watch. So in terms of both prestige and on-field success the turnaround of the Red Sox has been remarkable under Henry's ownership. And if there's a bit of a black miasma hanging over your franchise that makes you feel defensive, not to worry, we had that too, not just Babe Ruth's "curse" but also the stench of racism from a generation ago, back when the Red Sox were among the last teams in baseball, possibly the very last of all, to integrate players of color

 

A decade ago the Red Sox were a midmarket franchise with a few talented players but nowhere near enough to make a run at anything meaningful more than once in awhile. Henry brought in Theo Epstein who brought the player development system up to date and in some senses beyond, was very aggressive in the draft and promoted existing prospects such as Kevin Youkilis who is now a key franchise player along with the players he himself has drafted and developed, such as Clay Buchholz, Jon Lester, Dustin Pedroia and Jacoby Ellsbury. These decisions were Epstein's, but the decision to hang the franchise on Epstein was Henry's, and it turned out to be a brilliant one. He hasn't exactly run the team with one hand on his wallet either, and team payroll has about trebled since he came on.

 

I would expect him to do the same or an appropriate equivalent for Liverpool FC, bring in the best British football mind he could find, and trust him to run the day-to-day operations, and do his work in the area of cleaning up the team's presentation and what it makes of itself to the world, if that makes any sense to you.

 

If he carries that emphasis into Liverpool, what you can expect to see him try to do is clean house, restore respectability, and try to build from the fundamentals of your sport, develop players while they're young and cheap, and base his decisions on the word of the best advisers and scouts he can find. It'll take him a little while to find his feet, but if he gets the team and finds a good head coach/GM/whatever you guys call the person who handles personnel decisions for a team, he'll do his part and you'll have yourself a good sports franchise.

 

A nice read. Thanks:)

[Dojji]

Thanks. I really hope Henry both gets your team and is the same kind of positive influence for Liverpool FC that he has been in Boston. And who knows, you might find that fans of either team start to cross over and we'll see LFC jerseys on the Monster. It's been known to happen.

[The 13th Man]

serious question

 

whats so fun about watching some guy hit a small ball with a bat for 3 hours ?

[JohnShaft]

Hey ya'll, anyone seen snoogy doogy around these here parts?

[Blissmeister]

Thanks for the informative synopsis Dojji.

[Dojji]

serious question

 

whats so fun about watching some guy hit a small ball with a bat for 3 hours ?

 

What's so fun about watching a bunch of people running around chasing an inflated rubber pig's bladder?

 

It's all in the presentation, mes amis.

[JohnShaft]

serious question

 

whats so fun about watching some guy hit a small ball with a bat for 3 hours ?

 

Whachatalkinboutwillis? The only thing better is racoon shootin

[JohnShaft]

What's so fun about watching a bunch of people running around chasing an inflated rubber pig's bladder?

 

It's all in the presentation, mes amis.

 

 

Are pigs bladders made of rubber? Jeez

[superjay]

Thanks. I really hope Henry both gets your team and is the same kind of positive influence for Liverpool FC that he has been in Boston. And who knows' date=' you might find that fans of either team start to cross over and we'll see LFC jerseys on the Monster. It's been known to happen.[/quote']

 

You will see it, especially with us.

 

We were knocked out of the champions league a couple of years ago by athletico madird of spain, the fans walked across the void of where home and away sit and swapped jerseys, scarves and hugs. Unprecedented these days. We have a great affinity with people who love their sport for the right reasons.

[The 13th Man]

What's so fun about watching a bunch of people running around chasing an inflated rubber pig's bladder?

 

It's all in the presentation, mes amis.

 

 

at least we only do it for 90minutes a week

 

you guys go over the top, i mean 3 hours? come on..and this is every night:D

[Liverpool]

Thanks. I really hope Henry both gets your team and is the same kind of positive influence for Liverpool FC that he has been in Boston. And who knows' date=' you might find that fans of either team start to cross over and we'll see LFC jerseys on the Monster. It's been known to happen.[/quote']

 

Iam allready beginning to hate NY Yankees:lol:

 

I hope i will be able to cross the Atlantic some time soon to se The Legendary Red Sox.

[Dojji]

Thanks for the informative synopsis Dojji.

 

You guys do need to bear in mind that I'm the official forum optimist, I've predicted 20 HR's a year from a large assortment of scrubs over my time here. Nonetheless I don't think I'm too far off the mark here.

 

Two major factors Liverpool FC fans will be glad to see.

 

1: Henry is a hands-off owner. He'll turn his franchises over to people far more qualified to run them than him and the most you'll see of him is an occasional cameo in the owner's box. If he shows up in the day to day operation of his franchise, someone is either fired or about to be fired -- which has happened exactly once in his Boston tenure, when manager Grady Little had an infamous gaffe that cost the Red Sox a chance to advance to the World Series in 2003. For the most part in other words, if Liverpool FC is under his ownership, it will be the best football people he can find and hire that are actually running things.

 

2: Henry is not afraid to spend money to make money, or to establish the kind of credibility that leads to money. You might find Liverpool FC to be a bit overmarketed after awhile, I know some people thought the Sox were/are, but the team will be generating as much revenue as it ought for the most part, and the payroll ought to be on the high side. As long as the club does its side of the bargain and actually fields a watchable team, the marketing will not lag behind and the stadium will be full and pulsating. That counts for a lot.

[Redguard]

Heysel was a footballing disaster for which there is a great shame over innocent deaths. There was much violence prior to in a delapidated ground. As in the previous year many Liverpool people were stabbed by Roma fans. Not one Italian fan was stabbed. The violence continued the next year - Heysel. The police came under attack from the Juventus fans and at one stage a revolver was fired at them. A section of Liverpool supporters was infiltrated - they came under attack and they reacted. The Italian fans ran back after their attack and a wall collapsed under pressure. Add to this mix an infiltration of fans from around Europe who were seeking violence and had nothing to do whatsover with football, plus copious amount of alcohol and extremely poor policing tactics.

 

Noteably Police Captain Johan Mahieu and Albert Roosens, 77, secretary of the Belgian Football Union, were both convicted of criminal negligence. Not one Italian fan was investigated for their part in the violence. The deaths could equally have occured in the Liverpool end. The stadium was demolished shortly after due to health & safety issues. English football has moved on. Sadly in Italy they have not learnt and violence is all too common with stabbings and fatalities of fans and Police officers continuing to this day. This does not in any way absolve those few Liverpool fans of blame who were involved 25 years ago.

[Dojji]

Iam allready beginning to hate NY Yankees:lol:

 

I hope i will be able to cross the Atlantic some time soon to se The Legendary Red Sox.

 

Everyone hates the Yankees. Even most Yankee fans hate the Yankees. At least once you stop talking teams and start talking individual players it's clear that most Yankee fans have a list of 5-10 players on their 25 man roster that they'd prefer to do without.

 

And while Boston is a big market, holy crap do the Yankees spend a lot of cash. They blew $400M worth of money on their team in 2009, and it got them a World Series championship with the sales slip still attached. Our payroll is enormous, but it's about 2/3 of theirs or less. They've spent $240M/year in the past and are close on that this year.

[Dojji]

at least we only do it for 90minutes a week

 

you guys go over the top, i mean 3 hours? come on..and this is every night:D

 

I guess that means Americans are more patient and have a longer attention span than Brits, then.

 

If I need my gerbil-twitch attention span validated, there's always hockey. Now there's a fast-paced game, at least when it's done right. Hockey is soccer on fast forward with sanctioned fistfights, what's not like to love?

[jibbo]

Hey Jibbo,well done on antagonising the Red Sox fans.

Most Americans don`t follow soccer.

Most couldn't`t care less about Liverpool.

Instead of trying to educate these fans about soccer you do your best to insult them.

 

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I apologise as a Liverpool fan (who registered here to express solidarity with The Boston

Red Sox fans because we could soon be part of NEVS`s franchise) that your 1st impression

of Liverpool fans was Jibbo`s insults.

 

Most Liverpool fans are more educated and mature and we look forward to some light hearted banter with your fans.

Maybe we`ll start supporting your team and vice-verse.

 

Maybe we`ll start supporting your team and vice-verse.

 

lmao!! thats never going to happen fella! the Americans couldnt give a shite about anything outside of doodle-dandy land as Im sure you will soon discover!

 

A nation raised by what they see on tv. to these people you on this forum are simply another stereo type with a "core-blimey" accent! you must live in London (surely Liverpool must be a suburb of London) they wouldnt know the real world if it blew up around them!!

 

When I travelled around the USA a few years back everyone was nice and friendly until I opened my mouth and they s*** a brick! they couldnt figure the accent for the life of them and when I told them I was British they were having none of it!! I was either Australian, or from some unknown utopia they happened to invent at the time! and dont give me the old "but theyre not all the same" palava cos the ones I met, ALL OF THEM, were the most cluless people Ive ever seen!!

 

Yes I can be a bigott to but at least Im English!

[JohnShaft]

I like the cut of your jib young man

[Dojji]

Have Liverpool FCcome play the Revs (New England Revolution, our MLS team) during exhibition season. God knows the Revs could use the interest. It'd be something to see, even if the Revs did get flattened. If you want to see soccer thrive in America, bringing in good European clubs and exhibitioning them against Major League Soccer teams is one of the ways to give it a quick boost. I bet we'd be willing to reciprocate for British baseball, if such a thing exists.